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News Kyoji Horiguchi was unable to sign a contract with UFC.

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Kyoji Horiguchi was unable to sign a contract with UFC.

Summary of Horiguchi's remarks 👇

◼ ︎This is a problem on the UFC's side.

◼ I don't think UFC would find it amusing that he's been absent once.

◼ I think he is stubborn and doesn't want to take it anymore.

◼ The ATT members are confused, saying, "We don't need Kyoji ⁉ ."

◼ I think their policy is not to spend money where it isn't necessary.

◼ ︎UFC isn't really trying to promote the flyweight division.

◼ By not having me, you're kind of throwing away what "the best things in the world" are.

◼ It's true, but this is reality.

 
Only way I see them sign him for the money he wants is if they're planning more shows in Japan which I don't think is in the works with the role the ME plays now.
 
I wouldn't say he sucks but he's extremely overrated and wouldn't beat Pantoja or Moreno
That's an absolutely insane take. If anything he's criminally underrated by virtue of the fact he doesn't fight in the UFC. Absolutely nothing about Pantoja's game would suggest he should be favored to beat Horiguchi. I suspect he'd get frustrated when his wrestling didn't work because Guchi would keep him out of wrestling range and he couldn't close distance. His karate boxing is tailor made to give shooters like Pantoja nothing to shoot at. If he could find a way to get a hold of him consistently I could see that being an issue because he's got great submissions and scrambling. That's his biggest asset and it's one that Kyoji could struggle with if he doesn't have a plan to deny all grappling exchanges. Brandon Moreno? Give me a break. Punchers chance.


Maybe a chain wrestler who's a bit more in control and less reckless could wrestle him. Like Askar Askarov or maybe even Amir Albazzi. Could also see Mokaev down the road if he progresses but as is his technique is too sloppy. But yeah, the way to beat Horiguchi is to doggedly wrestle him.
 
That's an absolutely insane take. If anything he's criminally underrated by virtue of the fact he doesn't fight in the UFC. Absolutely nothing about Pantoja's game would suggest he should be favored to beat Horiguchi. I suspect he'd get frustrated when his wrestling didn't work because Guchi would keep him out of wrestling range and he couldn't close distance. His karate boxing is tailor made to give shooters like Pantoja nothing to shoot at. If he could find a way to get a hold of him consistently I could see that being an issue because he's got great submissions and scrambling. That's his biggest asset and it's one that Kyoji could struggle with if he doesn't have a plan to deny all grappling exchanges. Brandon Moreno? Give me a break. Punchers chance.


Maybe a chain wrestler who's a bit more in control and less reckless could wrestle him. Like Askar Askarov or maybe even Amir Albazzi. Could also see Mokaev down the road if he progresses but as is his technique is too sloppy. But yeah, the way to beat Horiguchi is to doggedly wrestle him.

Tbf Pantona definitely has a path to victory with back takes. Kyoji was having an issue with that against Patchy.
 
Tbf Pantona definitely has a path to victory with back takes. Kyoji was having an issue with that against Patchy.
Yes. Agree. That's what I was alluding to when I said

If he could find a way to get a hold of him consistently I could see that being an issue because he's got great submissions and scrambling
scramble to the back and do work there
 
Man I love Guch but his 125lb resume is padded and weak af. His BW credentials are much more impressive than 125lb (which aged terribly). His best and only relevant wins are Ali Bagautinov in 2024 and that guy hasn’t fought in 3 years and Ougikubo who might be the only guy he beat @125lb prior to his last 2 RIZIN fights that’s currently active (not counting loss to DJ, who technically isn’t active but still a elite fighter).

Literally all his UFC wins every fighter washed out and retired shortly after. They all had losing UFC records. Going into the DJ fight he really had a padded record. What has he had like 2 125lb fights in the last 7 years?

I can’t in good faith say he beats the best guys there when he’s yet to do so at any career point. I believe in him however but would need to see proof first. I like Takahashi and am a huge RIZIN FAN but is he a world beater? Has he faced any 125lb world beaters recently? The answer is no. Guch is way more established 135lb at this point.

So I think calling him overrated @ 125lb isn’t such a stretch since we have little to go on besides speculation.
 
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Man I love Guch but his 125lb resume is padded and weak af. His BW credentials are much more impressive than 125lb (which aged terribly). His best and only relevant wins are Ali Bagautinov in 2024 and that guy hasn’t fought in 3 years and Ougikubo who might be the only guy he beat @125lb prior to his last 2 RIZIN fights that’s currently active (not counting loss to DJ, who technically isn’t active but still a elite fighter).

Literally all his UFC wins every fighter washed out and retired shortly after. They all had losing UFC records. Going into the DJ fight he really had a padded record. What has he had like 2 125lb fights in the last 7 years?

I can’t in good faith say he beats the best guys there when he’s yet to do so at any career point. I believe in him however but would need to see proof first. I like Takahashi and am a huge RIZIN FAN but is he a world beater? Has he faced any 125lb world beaters recently? The answer is no. Guch is way more established 135lb at this point.

So I think calling him overrated @ 125lb isn’t such a stretch since we have little to go on besides speculation.

They cut all flyweights and how many stick around at the top anyway? Top fighter career length is a lot shorter at 125. He still only lost to MM in UFC. He's not overrated at all lmao what a dumb statement. Rizin and Bellator champ and could easily beat Pantoja who looked terrible last couple fights. Everyone says Horiguchi is the best fighter at ATT and tools the likes of Lineker in sparring
 
They cut all flyweights and how many stick around at the top anyway? Top fighter career length is a lot shorter at 125. He still only lost to MM in UFC. He's not overrated at all lmao what a dumb statement. Rizin and Bellator champ and could easily beat Pantoja who looked terrible last couple fights. Everyone says Horiguchi is the best fighter at ATT and tools the likes of Lineker in sparring
I think saying he will be champion @ 125lb without competing there in 7 years minus 2 recent fights is the definition of overrating someone’s ability. And again his 125lb resume isn’t that impressive vs his 135lb. Like we have zero indicators of him right now as an elite 125lb guy. That comment about him being the best at ATT was many years ago and also admittedly hyperbolic at the time. I love the guy but thinking he’s likely the best in the world with only 2 regional wins in that weight class in over like 7 years and a dated resume that was never that impressive = overrating him.


They said this before he lost his title and back to back fights btw.

Also show me the direct quote of “he tools Lineker” and explain how a statement 3 years ago from affiliate biases make him the 125lb champ today? Look up the definition of overrated. It applies to him right now for 125lb and his BW assessment is accurate since that’s where he’s mostly competing currently.

The fight that got him a title shot vs DJ was against a UFC fighter (Gaudinot) that’s 1-3-1 UFC record. Before that he beat Jon Reyes who was 1-3 in the UFC…. Before that Montague who was 0-3 in the UFC……..before that Pague who was 1-5 in the UFC…….. zero ranked wins or meaningful wins. He got a title shot fighting 4 guys with a combined 3 wins 14 losses ffs.

Nearly all of his opponents in the UFC had trash records like this. He doesn’t really have any valuable wins there (outside of Ali) and they defiantly don’t translate well today. Also ironically Gaudinots lone win was against the weight missing king himself Lineker who of course missed weight forcing the fight to be CW and gassed badly. So technically 2 wins and 14 losses since CW isn’t the actual weight class.

And being objective, Caldwell was a weak champion.
 
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Man I love Guch but his 125lb resume is padded and weak af. His BW credentials are much more impressive than 125lb (which aged terribly). His best and only relevant wins are Ali Bagautinov in 2024 and that guy hasn’t fought in 3 years and Ougikubo who might be the only guy he beat @125lb prior to his last 2 RIZIN fights that’s currently active (not counting loss to DJ, who technically isn’t active but still a elite fighter).

Literally all his UFC wins every fighter washed out and retired shortly after. They all had losing UFC records. Going into the DJ fight he really had a padded record. What has he had like 2 125lb fights in the last 7 years?

I can’t in good faith say he beats the best guys there when he’s yet to do so at any career point. I believe in him however but would need to see proof first. I like Takahashi and am a huge RIZIN FAN but is he a world beater? Has he faced any 125lb world beaters recently? The answer is no. Guch is way more established 135lb at this point.

So I think calling him overrated @ 125lb isn’t such a stretch since we have little to go on besides speculation.

He beat Shinryu recently who's a beast.
 
MMA isn't fought on paper. If you're just going to look at a fighter's resume in a vacuum and call it a day that's not really assessing anything. If you go beyond a tapology page it's obvious that he's one of the best MMA fighters in the world. His chin is his only true weakness and against flyweights that's less of a concern. Still a concern but less pronounced as he's only ever been knocked out by bantamweights. There's also the Patchy Mix fight but he's so much smaller than Patchy that it's hard to take much from that considering Patchy is so good at leveraging his frame and leveraging your frame is only going to be more effective against a guy you almost literally dwarf. Very few fighters control distance and keep fighters off balance and uncomfortable on the feet as well as Kyoji. You can point to his grappling as a potential weakness, and against the absolute best grapplers at 125 it might be (that's something I can admit is a reasonable doubt, how would he fare against a better flyweight grappler than Ougikubo) but we've also seen a fair bit from him that suggests his grappling is pretty damn good. At least when he isn't fighting a guy that has 20 pounds and however many inches on him (Caldwell ((which ofc he still won)) and Mix). He can scramble, he has submissions and he's always going to be fighting guys who want to take him down since he's pretty well un-matched on the feet, at least at 125. A couple bad moments notwithstanding he is really good at staying safe using the aforementioned distance control which is also going to make him hard to take down.

I also think the term "regional guy" is way overused and very deceiving when taken without any context. Regional guys span from anything from guys making their debut on un-broadcasted cards to ACA and Rizin champions who are often amongst the best in the world. To dismiss Shinryu as a win because he's a "regional guy" is a pretty oblivious take. It's a chicken or egg thing and somewhat self fulfilling. Fighter has bad resume on paper because he hasn't been fighting in UFC but if the exact same fighters were signed by the UFC and he beat them in the same order all of a sudden it's no longer a bad resume.

It's possible Kyoji falls off because he's a flyweight and his quick twitch muscles are going to start slowing soon (as they always do with flyweights) but in terms of pure skill demonstrated on tape he's not overrated at all. If anything he's vastly underrated because 90% of the MMA fanbase forgets he exists. Like, on tapology fan rankings he's #26. That's about 23-26 spots too low.
 
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MMA isn't fought on paper. If you're just going to look at a fighter's resume in a vacuum and call it a day that's not really assessing anything. If you go beyond a tapology page it's obvious that he's one of the best MMA fighters in the world. His chin is his only true weakness and against flyweights that's less of a concern. Still a concern but less pronounced as he's only ever been knocked out by bantamweights. There's also the Patchy Mix fight but he's so much smaller than Patchy that it's hard to take much from that considering Patchy is so good at leveraging his frame and leveraging your frame is only going to be more effective against a guy you almost literally dwarf. Very few fighters control distance and keep fighters off balance and uncomfortable on the feet as well as Kyoji. You can point to his grappling as a potential weakness, and against the absolute best grapplers at 125 it might be (that's something I can admit is a reasonable doubt, how would he fare against a better flyweight grappler than Ougikubo) but we've also seen a fair bit from him that suggests his grappling is pretty damn good. At least when he isn't fighting a guy that has 20 pounds and however many inches on him (Caldwell ((which ofc he still won)) and Mix). He can scramble, he has submissions and he's always going to be fighting guys who want to take him down since he's pretty well un-matched on the feet, at least at 125. A couple bad moments notwithstanding he is really good at staying safe using the aforementioned distance control which is also going to make him hard to take down.

I also think the term "regional guy" is way overused and very deceiving when taken without any context. Regional guys span from anything from guys making their debut on un-broadcasted cards to ACA and Rizin champions who are often amongst the best in the world. To dismiss Shinryu as a win because he's a "regional guy" is a pretty oblivious take. It's a chicken or egg thing and somewhat self fulfilling. Fighter has bad resume on paper because he hasn't been fighting in UFC but if the exact same fighters were signed by the UFC and he beat them in the same order all of a sudden it's no longer a bad resume.

It's possible Kyoji falls off because he's a flyweight and his quick twitch muscles are going to start slowing soon (as they always do with flyweights) but in terms of pure skill demonstrated on tape he's not overrated at all. If anything he's vastly underrated because 90% of the MMA fanbase forgets he exists. Like, on tapology fan rankings he's #26. That's about 23-26 spots too low.
Again objectively his 125lb credentials are dated and his record is extremely padded to assume he would beat everyone and be a champ in another weight class today. What top 10 fighters did we see Guch beat there?

Thats my point with overrating him without seeing him perform there enough. 2 times in 7+ years regionally. I fully credit his BW success and honestly believe he’s more credentialed there. I would need to see him do something in 2024 there before I anoint him top 3 subjectively.
 
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