Social Kyle Kulinski mad at Bill Maher for telling audience "don't burn bridges over politics"

[deviake]

Trump isn't against gay rights so I don't even know what you're getting at.

If Trump came into office and banished gay rights and parents started kicking their kids out of the house because of that, then that would be political.

His supreme court picks aren't high on gay rights from the looks of things and these people who have trouble with their family members probably vote. You're turning yourself into a pretzel my dude

 

[RoastBeast]

His supreme court picks aren't high on gay rights from the looks of things and these people who have trouble with their family members probably vote. You're turning yourself into a pretzel my dude

Pretzel? Hardly. You've been reaching this entire time.

If a black person voted for Kamala and kicked their kid out for being gay, did they make a political decision?

 

[deviake]

Pretzel? Hardly. You've been reaching this entire time.

If a black person voted for Kamala and kicked their kid out for being gay, did they make a political decision?

Directly? Not necessarily in this narrow circumstance. But my point stands, being XYZ group that IS politicized is related to politics. You have to go into very narrow confines to begin to try to separate them. It doesn't negate the points we've been making. The last point you made was "Trump isn't against gay people" but he appoints people who are so your point is moot, hence the pretzel comment.

 

[Islam Imamate]

His supreme court picks aren't high on gay rights from the looks of things and these people who have trouble with their family members probably vote. You're turning yourself into a pretzel my dude

I'm going to push back here because I don't think merely voting for Trump is the issue.

I remember way back in 2016 I saw a brief interview with an older woman who voted Trump. She said she really didn't like how he spoke in regards to women but because she was from a historic coal town and Trump promised to bring coal back she voted for him. Of course I disagree with her strongly because I don't think Trump could've or should've brought back coal but the important part here is that she made it a point to admit that the way he speaks about women is wrong.

I don't think that is the kind of Trump voter being cut off from their family, my guess is its the most dedicated Trump supporters who mostly or wholly endorse his divisive messaging and repeat it themselves. In some cases idk that they're even trying to antagonize their family members but that's how it can come off. So for example the Trump uncle might laugh his ass off about the Haitians eating cats and dogs story without knowing that their niece who went off to college made a Haitian friend who was very hurt by that story. Now that niece might view her uncle in a worse light even though he didn't intend to offend her. That's not even getting into the Trumpers who are purposefully offensive and lean into "triggering the libs", who make it a point to antagonize others and who represent a significant, vocal minority among MAGA.

 

[RoastBeast]

Directly? Not necessarily in this narrow circumstance. But my point stands, being XYZ group that IS politicized is related to politics. You have to go into very narrow confines to begin to try to separate them. It doesn't negate the points we've been making. The last point you made was "Trump isn't against gay people" but he appoints people who are so your point is moot, hence the pretzel comment.

Narrow circumstance? First of all, kicking a kid out for being gay is a narrow circumstance as it is.

Do you even know any black people? I'll let you in on a little secret....many of them are very homophobic. Far beyond what the homophobia that you project onto Trump voters.

The entire point of this conversation is about whether kicking a kid out for being gay is political. So far you have yet to prove that, while I have.

If a Muslim kicks their kid out for being gay and they did not vote, was that a political move?

We can keep going. There are a hell of a lot of homophobic people out there that aren't Trump supporters. Or you can just admit like I admitted in the beginning that the act of kicking a kid out isn't political but it can be in some scenarios.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Or you can just admit like I admitted in the beginning that the act of kicking a kid out isn't political but it can be in some scenarios.

You could say the same about cutting off Trump supporters though.

 

[Kassitus]

I like Kyle. He's one of the few palatable liberals with sensible talking points.

Is he a Jew?

 

[RoastBeast]

You could say the same about cutting off Trump supporters though.

Yeah there's a difference in cutting off a family member because they're an actual Nazi and cutting them off because they voted for Trump. One is political, the other is not.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah there's a difference in cutting off a family member because they're an actual Nazi and cutting them off because they voted for Trump. One is political, the other is not.

Not every Trump supporter is being cut off for political reasons, I'm sure lots of them are just assholes who happen to be Trump supporters and use Trumps rhetoric as an excuse to be an even bigger asshole. Then they cry that the family members they antagonized cut them off, you can see how that's not really political right?

 

[deviake]

I'm going to push back here because I don't think merely voting for Trump is the issue.

I remember way back in 2016 I saw a brief interview with an older woman who voted Trump. She said she really didn't like how he spoke in regards to women but because she was from a historic coal town and Trump promised to bring coal back she voted for him. Of course I disagree with her strongly because I don't think Trump could've or should've brought back coal but the important part here is that she made it a point to admit that the way he speaks about women is wrong.

I don't think that is the kind of Trump voter being cut off from their family, my guess is its the most dedicated Trump supporters who mostly or wholly endorse his divisive messaging and repeat it themselves. In some cases idk that they're even trying to antagonize their family members but that's how it can come off. So for example the Trump uncle might laugh his ass off about the Haitians eating cats and dogs story without knowing that their niece who went off to college made a Haitian friend who was very hurt by that story. Now that niece might view her uncle in a worse light even though he didn't intend to offend her. That's not even getting into the Trumpers who are purposefully offensive and lean into "triggering the libs", who make it a point to antagonize others and who represent a significant, vocal minority among MAGA.

I agree actually, I made mention of this earlier, that I don't scorn everyone who voted for Trump, my point here was connecting the vote with politics which might affect someone's life. To your point, a lot of Trump voters have voted Democrat in the past which why liberals/leftists would do well not to trash them all.

In my view, if the family member isn't a bad person/one of the obnoxious "MAGA" types I don't advocate people cutting them off simply for their vote.

 

[deviake]

Narrow circumstance? First of all, kicking a kid out for being gay is a narrow circumstance as it is.

Do you even know any black people? I'll let you in on a little secret....many of them are very homophobic. Far beyond what the homophobia that you project onto Trump voters.

The entire point of this conversation is about whether kicking a kid out for being gay is political. So far you have yet to prove that, while I have.

If a Muslim kicks their kid out for being gay and they did not vote, was that a political move?

We can keep going. There are a hell of a lot of homophobic people out there that aren't Trump supporters. Or you can just admit like I admitted in the beginning that the act of kicking a kid out isn't political but it can be in some scenarios.

I wasn't projecting homophobia onto Trump voters, I was making a point about politics. Which you've been ignoring the entire time. I never said people make decisions not directly related to politics, I said the things you're speaking of are political. There's a difference.

 

[RoastBeast]

Not every Trump supporter is being cut off for political reasons, I'm sure lots of them are just assholes who happen to be Trump supporters and use Trumps rhetoric as an excuse to be an even bigger asshole. Then they cry that the family members they antagonized cut them off, you can see how that's not really political right?

Only the person doing the cutting off knows if they're doing it for political reasons or not. I'm just saying that Trump wins the election and the next week we have left wing political talking heads saying that people should cut their family members off for being Trump supporters. That's political.

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree completely but I do disagree that Trump's rhetoric is being used as an excuse to be an asshole. I already covered this earlier in the thread.

I wasn't projecting homophobia onto Trump voters, I was making a point about politics. Which you've been ignoring the entire time. I never said people make decisions not directly related to politics, I said the things you're speaking of are political. There's a difference.

I agree that gay rights is political but I'm speaking about parents kicking their kids out for being gay and I don't think that is political except under certain circumstances. Hopefully we can agree on that and move on.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

There is not. There's little snippets here and there that people take out of context. I clearly remember Biden constantly demonizing MAGA as a whole on several occasions. I don't recall Trump ever doing that.

he has demonized the radical left across the board as scum who need the military sicced on them. you know this.

The casual transphobia claim is thrown around when someone doesn't agree with a man playing women's sports or entering their bathrooms or changing rooms. Merely noticing the demographics on crime is considered racist by the left. When you guys start being honest with your accusations, people will start taking you seriously.

calling a trans woman a "man" playing women's sports is the casual transphobia. they are not men and they do not perform like men athletically. saying anything else is a blatant transphobic lie. and again, you would be banned from any major platform for saying things like this, rightfully so.

noticing the demographics on crime is not racist, using demographics on crime to insinuate that races have inherent inferior characteristics to their cultures is racist. it's biological essentialism, which is blatantly racist.

You should start by not conflating people who voted for Trump with Nazis.

not all trump voters are nazis but all nazis are trump voters.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Only the person doing the cutting off knows if they're doing it for political reasons or not. I'm just saying that Trump wins the election and the next week we have left wing political talking heads saying that people should cut their family members off for being Trump supporters. That's political.

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree completely but I do disagree that Trump's rhetoric is being used as an excuse to be an asshole. I already covered this earlier in the thread.

Idk how people can deny this, he's normalized incredibly divisive rhetoric against all kinds of people to include the kind of divisive political rhetoric against the opposition that you're decrying here. You can't support the candidate of division and then complain that there's division when he's elected, this is what you voted for.

 

[Islam Imamate]

There is not. There's little snippets here and there that people take out of context. I clearly remember Biden constantly demonizing MAGA as a whole on several occasions. I don't recall Trump ever doing that.

If you really think Biden was more divisive than Trump than idk what to tell you, you're completely divorced from reality.

 

[RoastBeast]

he has demonized the radical left across the board as scum who need the military sicced on them. you know this.

calling a trans woman a "man" playing women's sports is the casual transphobia. they are not men and they do not perform like men athletically. saying anything else is a blatant transphobic lie.

noticing the demographics on crime is not racist, using demographics on crime to insinuate that races have inherent inferior characteristics to their cultures is racist. it's biological essentialism, which is blatantly racist.

not all trump voters are nazis but all nazis are trump voters.

You're right about Trump demonizing the left. I was thinking of speeches of racism and not political lines there.

Sigh....a trans woman is a man. A man is an adult male. A woman is an adult female. A man cannot be a woman. That's not transphobia, that's biology.

 

[filthybliss]

Go to literally anywhere else in the world apart from a select few Western countries in the past 10-15 years, and see how far being a firebrand progressive gets you. Like I've said, apart from this tiny window of time in a small bubble, you were running a much greater risk of being rejected by society if you tried to present them with ideas that challenged how people think of gender, sexuality, religion, marriage, etc.

The fact that we've got all these snarky, smug people nowadays who think otherwise, just proves to me that they've completely lost touch with reality.

Again, this is not even to insult progressive ideals, it's just that the story of the liberal-minded son/daughter being rejected by their more conservative family/friends is as old as time. I just wonder how the hell does anyone residing on the far left of political ideology, somehow delude themselves into thinking that it's these vanilla conservative dudes being rejected by society, that's just laughable. It's pretty much the safest bet you can take, apart from, again, the small bubble of the last 10 to 15 years in a handful of Western states.

It appears to me that the pendulum is swinging right back to the way things used to be, anyway, even in these few countries.

Huh...Most most of Europe apart from some pockets of the East side prefer Harris. The word "progressive" here is used for anyone that runs against/criticizes Trump.

U.S. Election: Europeans Would Vote for Harris if They Could—but There’s a Wide Gulf Between East and West - Europe Elects

The United States elects a new president on Tuesday 5 November. The outcome, of course, interests also elsewhere in the world due to the resulting choice having sizeable…

europeelects.eu

 

[RoastBeast]

Idk how people can deny this, he's normalized incredibly divisive rhetoric against all kinds of people to include the kind of divisive political rhetoric against the opposition that you're decrying here. You can't support the candidate of division and then complain that there's division when he's elected, this is what you voted for.

Then tell me why the media has to scrape the bottom of the barrel to try and find cases of white on black racism? You guys make it seem like Trump enables millions of people to go around committing acts of racism, sexism and hate crimes. It's such a ridiculous fantasy and really one that you should let go.

If a person is an asshole, they're going to be an asshole. Trump has nothing to do with their behavior. If anything, blame their parents.

I never said Biden was more divisive than Trump. I just stated that Biden was extremely divisive himself and he did it during his state of address speeches. Both men should be above that behavior.

 

[deviake]

I agree that gay rights is political but I'm speaking about parents kicking their kids out for being gay and I don't think that is political except under certain circumstances. Hopefully we can agree on that and move on.

Fair enough.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You're right about Trump demonizing the left. I was thinking of speeches of racism and not political lines there.

Sigh....a trans woman is a man. A man is an adult male. A woman is an adult female. A man cannot be a woman. That's not transphobia, that's biology.

it's simply not. the vast majority of biologists will tell you that's bullshit lol gender is not dictated by biology.

Stop Using Phony Science to Justify Transphobia

Actual research shows that sex is anything but binary

www.scientificamerican.com

scientists literally have always said you're wrong and you still wanna pull the science card