Kurt Cobain gun tests

[HHJ]

I always thought of him as the precursor to all the later posers of rock, the early rockers weren't nearly as pretentious or conscious of how they presented. the theory has always been that Chuck, Elvis, Little Richard and Jerry Lee were unconscious of what they signified. Not a hundred percent true, because Little Richard has said he played up being gay and he had the whole straight band act gay with him because he knew a gay black male wouldn't be seen as a threat, he knew what he was doing to some degree. However, almost all those guys have similar creation stories where they did what came naturally out of the blue and someone keyed in, it happened with Sam Phillips when Elvis spontaneously busted into "That's Alright" and it happened with Little Richard when he was restrained in a recording session but played before his producer in bar and cut loose, his producer told him that's what they needed, tutti fruiti with the bootie lyrics taken out became his first hit.

You really believe that Little Richard wasnt gay?

 

[mozfonky]

You really believe that Little Richard wasnt gay?

did i say that? I said his band wasn't gay, I'm only saying he was aware of what he was doing. He was gay as fuck, i got an invite to his home 20 years ago, didn't take it, don't even know if it was him because it was on social media but I didn't want to get balls across the nose, regret it today. Funny enough, his long time girlfriend, Lee Angel, never believed Richard was gay. Crazy.

 

[Mike]

I don't think i've ever hear "You Know You're Right", I'll take a listen.

Sure he was a good songwriter but we already had that, it comes down to their music and imagery speaking to a segment of the then paying audience. Like I say, the big hair, the songs about nothing but chicks and stupidity, the mtv image driven era had to give way to something and it did.

Great song imo. One of those songs where the ragged pain really comes through. Probably one of my favorite Nirvana songs.

 

[Thrawn33]

Pearl Jam was number 2 and they are still big. I never really liked either but they did lead the way for a very brief buzz over the town.

Eddie Vedder being the only surviving lead singer out of the big grunge acts is both surprising and sad

 

[HHJ]

Eddie Vedder being the only surviving lead singer out of the big grunge acts is both surprising and sad

Especially since hes the one hanging off the rafters in the 90s lol

 

[Natural Order]

Now there's a fucking band sir!

Dale Crover is a mad man and supremely underrated.

Each member did an "individual EP" thing back in the day, his was the best imo

 

[Kenshi]

This is by far one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read. Rich people kill themselves all the time. Money isn’t some magical cure for mental illness and depression.

"Money isn’t some magical cure for mental illness and depression."? It actually is very empowering. It can buy therapists, rehab and/or more drugs. It can solve 99% of a person's problems.

I don't think he suffered from mental illness or depression. Maybe watch the video. He was happy.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Dale Crover is a mad man and supremely underrated.

Each member did an "individual EP" thing back in the day, his was the best imo

That's what's up I had no idea, but yeah they fucking rule

 

[StewDogg11]

"Money isn’t some magical cure for mental illness and depression."? It actually is very empowering. It can buy therapists, rehab and/or more drugs. It can solve 99% of a person's problems.

I don't think he suffered from mental illness or depression. Maybe watch the video. He was happy.

A brief 20 minute window into someone’s life doesn’t give you the whole picture. Tons of seemingly “happy” people kill themselves.

 

[Kenshi]

A brief 20 minute window into someone’s life doesn’t give you the whole picture. Tons of seemingly “happy” people kill themselves.

“Tons of seemingly “happy” people kill themselves.” - I’m sure that’s true. But many of them probably had problems money could have solved.

The specific topic of happiness comes up in the video. He was ecstatic about becoming a father and felt it completed him and gave him a new purpose. It didn’t hurt that he was a rock star already living the dream.

There are many documentaries on the murder theories that for me raise a lot of doubt around the suicide. We can’t know for sure, that’s why it’s just an opinion.

 

[rocketskates]

naw, none of the big groups are doing that. Pearl Jam was number 2 and they are still big. I never really liked either but they did lead the way for a very brief buzz over the town.

Difference is Kurt hated being famous. He wanted to make enough money to get by, but didn’t like all of the fame that came with Nevermind. I think that if he hadn’t taken his own life Nirvana would’ve broken up before 2000. Just my opinion, but I guess we’ll never truly know.

 

[mozfonky]

A brief 20 minute window into someone’s life doesn’t give you the whole picture. Tons of seemingly “happy” people kill themselves.

yup, comedians like Robin Williams and Freddie Prinze prove that. I knew a guy who owned a couple dueling piano bars, always smiling, always smartassed, always too cool for school. Not my kind of guy, actually the opposite, I don't like people who don't take things seriously. This guy blew his head off in 2019 leaving two little kids and a wife, people don't always show you who they are, in fact, sometimes the opposite.

 

[mozfonky]

Difference is Kurt hated being famous. He wanted to make enough money to get by, but didn’t like all of the fame that came with Nevermind. I think that if he hadn’t taken his own life Nirvana would’ve broken up before 2000. Just my opinion, but I guess we’ll never truly know now.

most bands breakup and from what I hear, they were well on there way to breaking up whether he lived or died.

As far as being a star, I doubt he got into the business to fail, he's been called the first antistar but I don't know. He was a headcase like a lot of stars, should have been looking for other answers rather than being on stage.

 

[rocketskates]

most bands breakup and from what I hear, they were well on there way to breaking up whether he lived or died.

As far as being a star, I doubt he got into the business to fail, he's been called the first antistar but I don't know. He was a headcase like a lot of stars, should have been looking for other answers rather than being on stage.

I think that you’re 100% correct. I also think that he wanted to succeed but then found it difficult to deal with the success once he got it. It happens to a lot of artists or actors, especially those who achieve it at a young age.

I was in a band in high school and we all thought that we wanted to be famous (not that we were good enough to play outside of my friend’s parent’s garage). Now at 40 I have no desire to be famous. I like being able to go where I want without people taking pictures of me or hounding me. I guess your mindset changes as you age.

 

[StewDogg11]

“Tons of seemingly “happy” people kill themselves.” - I’m sure that’s true. But many of them probably had problems money could have solved.

The specific topic of happiness comes up in the video. He was ecstatic about becoming a father and felt it completed him and gave him a new purpose. It didn’t hurt that he was a rock star already living the dream.

There are many documentaries on the murder theories that for me raise a lot of doubt around the suicide. We can’t know for sure, that’s why it’s just an opinion.

What about his suicide note?

What about him attempting suicide before?

What about the original title of In Utero being I Hate Myself and Want to Die?

He publicly expressed how depressed and unhappy he was way more than he expressed happiness.

 

[Kenshi]

What about his suicide note?

What about him attempting suicide before?

What about the original title of In Utero being I Hate Myself and Want to Die?

He publicly expressed how depressed and unhappy he was way more than he expressed happiness.

Suicide note - You don't need to be a handwriting expert to see that it isn't his handwriting in the last lines of the "suicide note" although many experts have concluded that it wasn't.

Previous suicide attempt - His management claimed it was an accidental overdose; Only Courtney painted it as a suicide attempt (she had motivation to give that impression).

I Hate Myself and Want to Die - Shock value; Doesn't seem to have anything to do with that if you read the lyrics which seem to be about nothing; He also has a song called "Rape Me" on In Utero LOL

Yes, for sure he had a history of depression. Many of us probably have at some point or still do. Putting a shot gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger is a pretty far step removed from that though.

 

[StewDogg11]

Suicide note - You don't need to be a handwriting expert to see that it isn't his handwriting in the last lines of the "suicide note" although many experts have concluded that it wasn't.

Previous suicide attempt - His management claimed it was an accidental overdose; Only Courtney painted it as a suicide attempt (she had motivation to give that impression).

I Hate Myself and Want to Die - Shock value; Doesn't seem to have anything to do with that if you read the lyrics which seem to be about nothing; He also has a song called "Rape Me" on In Utero LOL

Yes, for sure he had a history of depression. Many of us probably have at some point or still do. Putting a shot gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger is a pretty far step removed from that though.

Okay but even the suicide note paints the picture of a very unhappy depressed person and I’m not talking about the last couple of lines.

He also had a mental breakdown as far back as 1989 where he threatened to kill himself and had to be talked down from jumping off a 30 foot tall structure.

 

[TheRash]

At some point you just have to accept the fact that Kurt succumbed to depression.

Kurt was a heroin addict, he suffered deeply from undiagnosed stomach pain, came from a broken home, was open about his depression, had horrible self image, and was completely unsatisfied in his marriage as well as the reality that fame can’t fix depression.

I truly believe that when Kurt came to the reality that his fame could not stop the unrelenting pain of depression, he went back to square one with a shot of heroin and a 20ga shotgun. As tragic as that is.

It’s common knowledge that suicide victims go through with the act because they simply don’t want to feel the pain of depression any longer. A person can only use drugs so long before they realize that it’s only a temporary fix.

As far as Courtney being behind an execution plot….no. She is far too dumb. Plus, she called for help in an attempt to save Kurts life a month prior in Rome. If she wanted him dead, why not just pretend to sleep while he OD’d?

But people love conspiracy theories.

 

[Kenshi]

Okay but even the suicide note paints the picture of a very unhappy depressed person and I’m not talking about the last couple of lines.

He also had a mental breakdown as far back as 1989 where he threatened to kill himself and had to be talked down from jumping off a 30 foot tall structure.

The "note" seems to be nothing more than a letter to the fans and others close to Nirvana letting them know that he wanted to move on. It was known that he wanted to pursue other things. The pressure of carrying the band, being in the spot light and exhaustion from touring were taking their toll.

The Rome incident wasn't well documented and full of speculation. He was known to be destructive on stage at times, could have been really high or going through withdrawal, and/or may simply have had a "bad day at the office. I don't think that he actually "threatened" to kill himself.

 

[HHJ]

Yeah I agree, I don't think "forgotten" is accurate IMO..

definitely less renowned though I'd wager

An early death has a way with highlighting someone's accomplishments and works to a new level.. imagine if Hendrix went on to be a guitarist in a unimpressive contemporary pop-rock band later in life.. it wouldn't hit the same and he'd be viewed differently despite his early success.

Too much what ifs.

These guys are legends and that's all there is to it