Kurt Cobain gun tests

[mozfonky]

Morrison was a dickhead in those LA circles in the 60s and a lot of people didn't like him. But being a raging alcoholic will do that. Morrison is still overrated as a singer but the doors as whole were an extremely talented band. Robby's slide guitar and Ray's keys just worked in a way that hadn't been heard before. I suggest you take a listen to the first two albums and LA Woman.

LA Woman is a top five favorite all time song for me.

i can't say anything bad about them, for whatever reason, not even sure why, they just never caught me like so many bands. I love manzarek's interviews and his playing, very interesting man but I've never listened intently to a lot of what they did, of course I've heard the major hits a million times. Oddly, people used to compare my music to their's for whatever reason.

 

[CrimsonFan]

I guess, I did give him credit as a writer and he was an ok singer but he wasn't really good at much else. Compared to what I'd seen before it just didn't seem all that impressive.

He was a song writing machine. Could right great vocal melodies and lyrics like nobodies business. His voice was really strong too. Maybe not as strong as Vedder/Cornell/Staley but he put alot of heart into it.

Dont get me wrong, the simplicity of Nirvana gets old and they over played it to shit, but he deserved his fame and was a hell of an artist.

 

[mozfonky]

I saw courtnet loves band Hole play some big sxsw party like 15 years ago and..


I was pretty blown away. She was great.

I thought some of her music was pretty good, haven't heard a lot. Also, i thought her performance in the Larry Flynt movie was terrific. Oh, how many tragic, lovable women i've known like that character and she played it way better than anyone could ever expect.

 

[mozfonky]

He was a song writing machine. Could right great vocal melodies and lyrics like nobodies business. His voice was really strong too. Maybe not as strong as Vedder/Cornell/Staley but he put alot of heart into it.

Dont get me wrong, the simplicity of Nirvana gets old and they over played it to shit, but he deserved his fame and was a hell of an artist.

he made his mark and busted the floodgates wide open for whatever movement was to come from seattle. some people exagerate how many bands actually hit it big from here and how long that period actually was, I don't think the period of new bands getting signed and being on mtv overnight lasted very long at all, people have told me point blank that I was wrong and said that era was five or six years, I don't remember it like that at all. I knew there were lots of copycats and all of them were struggling.

I mentioned Mia Zapata, they probably would have went on to be one of the later bands of that era to hit but Mia was murdered.

 

[mozfonky]

i remember that, he was hungry along with chris.

 

[philcrow]

I'd lean towards murder. The physics just don't make sense when it comes to the shell trajectory and being found hand clenched to the barrell. Guess it's in the ranks of 9/11, JFK, and Kirk where the physics of the official stories don't make sense.

 

[AFanNotAFighter]

Morrison was a dickhead in those LA circles in the 60s and a lot of people didn't like him. But being a raging alcoholic will do that. Morrison is still overrated as a singer but the doors as whole were an extremely talented band. Robby's slide guitar and Ray's keys just worked in a way that hadn't been heard before. I suggest you take a listen to the first two albums and LA Woman.

LA Woman is a top five favorite all time song for me.

I would tend to agree. He was a baritone with no octave range. But he never wanted to be a singer. He's overrated as a singer but not overrated as a performer when he was sober. His performances could be so haunting.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

dying when he did might have helped but yes, there was talk even when he was alive that he was a lennon for his generation, i could see that. I personally wouldn't put him in the ranks of the many greats that i love but that's just me.

He was well respected while he was alive, many musical peers praised his creativity during his lifetime.


I lived thru the time period too and actually wasn’t a fan until ‘In Utero’ came out. I was always more metal/hip hop/Classic Rock but ‘Heart Shaped Box’ got my attention more than ‘Teen Spirit’ did. At that point there was no denying their impact on the musical landscape and pop culture in general. There were of course other bands like ‘The Melvins’ and ‘Mudhoney’ and so on that came up with the blue prints but they didn’t have Kurts ability to connect the fabric which is why Nirvana ‘made it’ while they remained in perpetual underground status.


I view Kurt as one part Tarantino and another part Lennon. He had QT’s ability to naturally blend pop culture and influences into his writing while also laying his soul bare and exposing his vulnerability to the audience. He wasn’t in the spot light for very long but he burned bright and left a long lasting impression.


As for what he would’ve went on to do? Well who knows but I do find it hilarious that around 2002 when discussions of him being ‘overrated’ and so on were ongoing and ‘he only got famous after he died’ (which was laughable) ‘You Know You’re Right’ was leaked and charted really well amongst a group of people who claimed they didn’t think much of him or Nirvana so.. I think his talent transcended generational boundaries personally and I’m quite sure had he lived to make more music he would be just as revered if not more so.


It’s also interesting to note that many people remarked that ‘You Know You’re Right’ could have been written in 2002 just as well as 1993 (when it was actually written). I think this goes a long way in showing how ‘timeless’ his writing and prowess could be.

 

[Caesar_Of_Uranus]

Kurt Cobain Gun Test...

"Yep. It works alright. Real good too."

 

[mozfonky]

He was well respected while he was alive, many musical peers praised his creativity during his lifetime.


I lived thru the time period too and actually wasn’t a fan until ‘In Utero’ came out. I was always more metal/hip hop/Classic Rock but ‘Heart Shaped Box’ got my attention more than ‘Teen Spirit’ did. At that point there was no denying their impact on the musical landscape and pop culture in general. There were of course other bands like ‘The Melvins’ and ‘Mudhoney’ and so on that came up with the blue prints but they didn’t have Kurts ability to connect the fabric which is why Nirvana ‘made it’ while they remained in perpetual underground status.


I view Kurt as one part Tarantino and another part Lennon. He had QT’s ability to naturally blend pop culture and influences into his writing while also laying his soul bare and exposing his vulnerability to the audience. He wasn’t in the spot light for very long but he burned bright and left a long lasting impression.


As for what he would’ve went on to do? Well who knows but I do find it hilarious that around 2002 when discussions of him being ‘overrated’ and so on were ongoing and ‘he only got famous after he died’ (which was laughable) ‘You Know You’re Right’ was leaked and charted really well amongst a group of people who claimed they didn’t think much of him or Nirvana so.. I think his talent transcended generational boundaries personally and I’m quite sure had he lived to make more music he would be just as revered if not more so.


It’s also interesting to note that many people remarked that ‘You Know You’re Right’ could have been written in 2002 just as well as 1993 (when it was actually written). I think this goes a long way in showing how ‘timeless’ his writing and prowess could be.

I don't think i've ever hear "You Know You're Right", I'll take a listen.

Sure he was a good songwriter but we already had that, it comes down to their music and imagery speaking to a segment of the then paying audience. Like I say, the big hair, the songs about nothing but chicks and stupidity, the mtv image driven era had to give way to something and it did.

 

[Gutter Chris]

The conspiracies are dumb and it's dumb to think anything other than he killed himself

Also... The era between 1990-1994 is the goat imo. Who cares about the "grunge" label. Siamese Dream is my favorite album of all time. Pearl Jam is my favorite band and Janes Addiction and AIC were some of the most talented bands of all time.

I think 94 through 2000 or so is the better part of the 90s. But I love punk ska and my local scene was really cooking in those days. Lotta local stuff. Lot of the big bands go on a real hot streaks in that period . Social Distortion drops white white light white heat which I think is the best album ever , rancid goes on an absolute hot streak and drops 3 no bad song albums. All the epitaph bands are peaking. Asian man , moonska and jump up can't seem to put out a bad album hellcat enters the scene and just so many other good things that I fear if I mention this will turn into a novel. Like 94 to 98 might be the best 4 years in music history

 

[Thrawn33]

Cobain being on the all-time lists of guitar players is the biggest joke to me.

Fuck Rolling Stone

 

[Kenshi]

I'm a huge Nirvana fan and studied the murder theory for years. I do believe he was murdered. The suspect(s) and motive were clear.

I have a hard time believing a rich rock star at the peak of his success, doing what he loved, with a beautiful one year old daughter would just decide to kill himself. Why exactly would he do that? Depression? What problem could millions of dollars not solve exactly?

Watch his final interviews. He's extremely coherent, and happy.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

He killed himself, doesn't take that much to kill yourself when you are in that moment of deep sadness. If he waited longer until someone came to the house, he probably would have been talked out of it or the person tried to take the gun from him. But since no one was around, he was there all alone in his deep depression. He couldn't think rationally at that very moment and that was it. Only takes a few moments to end yourself. Especially with a gun.

 

[Fedorgasm]

I'm a huge Nirvana fan and studied the murder theory for years. I do believe he was murdered. The suspect(s) and motive were clear.

I have a hard time believing a rich rock star at the peak of his success, doing what he loved, with a beautiful one year old daughter would just decide to kill himself. Why exactly would he do that? Depression? What problem could millions of dollars not solve exactly?

Watch his final interviews. He's extremely coherent, and happy.

Wow. I'd never seen that interview before but yeah he specifically mentioned how he's happier now because of his wife and daughter.

 

[volodya]

dying when he did might have helped but yes, there was talk even when he was alive that he was a lennon for his generation, i could see that. I personally wouldn't put him in the ranks of the many greats that i love but that's just me.

Had he lived, the band probably would have disintegrated and he either would have went solo or tried to form another band, we'll never know how he would have went. Part of the aesthetic of that era was trying to have no aesthetic, trying to look normal or dishevelled, which is not cool in any way. Like I say, that was the era, stripping things down to almost nothing and it actually was referred to as punk music in it's time but I have to just say, after seeing all that had come before, it just seemed like not very impressive. It definitely hit though. Being in Seattle I couldn't avoid the buzz over the town at the time, everyone and their brother started bands and people were moving here from everywhere. I knew some of the musicians in the genre but I was nothing like them, I thought they were phoney and i thought the self-destructive stuff was stupid. Nothing cool about being all dirty and fucked up.

I agree with you here, but regarding the self destructive stuff being stupid, sure it was, but one could argue that the art created wouldn't have happened without it. There have been MANY tragically flawed artists.

 

[mozfonky]

I agree with you here, but regarding the self destructive stuff being stupid, sure it was, but one could argue that the art created wouldn't have happened without it. There have been MANY tragically flawed artists.

maybe, maybe it just is part of what is needed to be creative along with a lot of other factors. Could be true, working on art isn't fun and games like some might think, you have to go so deep inside yourself and throw yourself out of balance to create something good. Sure, that's been mentioned before. I really think also that our modern rockstars would have been Shamans in past times and that's a part of why they are already so wacky, shamans are basically schizophrenics who have a culture that honors and respects them as a vessel into the other world.

I also think it may be simpler, fame, power is not easy for anyone to handle.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Kurt was a massive bitch.

He offed himself leaving a wife or whatever that Courtney was and a daughter. Fuck him.

I can't take anybody who is over 20 years old and listens to Nirvana seriously.

 

[Jar of Flies]

Coabain basically caught lightning in a bottle by writing a catchy song at the perfect time when people needed to move past glam metal. He was a talented guy, but he wasn’t a particularly great singer, guitarist, or songwriter. It’s almost like the idea of him was bigger than what he actually was. I’d take Cornell, Staley, or Vedder over him talent-wise but the stars aligned for him I guess.

 

[Beechwood]

I didn't watch the video but since he was suicidal, letting the whole world about that, whether he killed him self or not, I highly doubt anything will change with the official report that he committed suicide.

Cobain did seem to have a lot going right for him though. He was the most successful song writer of his time. I saw a write up maybe 10 years ago saying his estate was worth a billion dollars.
He could have retired form music and lived in a daze of drugs and drawing weird art for the rest of his life living in lawless Seattle.

Cobain did have a sever stomach issue I recall reading. He wrote about that health issue in songs too. Having a severe stomach issue myself, while I've not been suicidal from it as I'm not always in pain, there have been times where I questioned if life was so great. If the rocker killed him, I can imagine his poor health was a leading contributing factor. Being in constant pain as he seemed to indicate he was in, could cause one to question reasons for going on living.