Kung fu bashing needs to STOP!!!!

[Grijswaarde]

Like I said in the previous thread, MMA doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the world's martial arts.

Mei Chao Feng was able to use Jiu Yin white bone claw to penetrate the human skull with her fingers, even though she only obtained half of the Jiu Yin manual and did everything in the wrong sequence. She went against 5 martial art masters by herself while blind. I doubt an elite MMA fighter would be able to take on 5 ammys, let alone doing so blind.

Her master was able to dislocate Guo Jing's shoulders using his torso alone without hands or legs, and fought to a draw against the seven members of the Quanzhen sect even though they had trained to fight together for years.

I heard about this story but never knew they fought to a draw. Makes it even more interesting.

And people here still think Jones is a "good fighter" lol.

 

[The Best JG]

Ip Man was a fraud. He never did the things they showed in the movies. When the Japanese came he escaped overseas and opened his dojo, the movie was complete BS.

Well ya those fuckers cheated with guns and shit, all ipman had was fists and they werent even made of platinum

Id have run too. If he didnt run he probably would not have lived to beat up those 10 black belts in the movie

 

[Metal_Daze]

Kung Fu and other dance styles all rely on secrecy and mystery. The mystery was broken years ago, yet people still want to believe. It's not bullshido: it's just not fighting. Call it dancing, opera, performing art, great. But Kung Fu is not fighting if they have to hide behind closed door to do it. Just like Rickson racked his 400-0 record behind closed doors...

I'll give you an example. I can speak every language on the face of the Earth. Yet, if I utter even a word, it might damage your eardrums. So, as a mark of respect to the bushido (bullshito?) spirit, I refuse to demonstrate.

Pathetic.

 

[LouisBolanos]

All these knuckledraggers need to do is look up.

Chin Na Fa Kung Fu!

Boom, basic principles of ground fighting, LOL!

And if u don't know who Tim Cartmell is u r dragging your elbows as well!

https://dojorat.blogspot.com/2010/05/review-chin-na-fa.html

Exactly. Qin Na encompasses all of grappling, but it's just basic 套路 and not 内功 which is where the real powerful martial arts are at.

During the Kang Xi period Lin Xing Zhu fought the Spaniards and the Russians with his ground troops to bypass their firearms. These were by modern standards BJJ black belts who went against foreign invaders with horses and guns and they won against armies up to twice their size. Imagine that. Also these members of Lin's army were only slightly trained in 地堂刀 and not considered experts of the discipline. True experts in Qin Na would stop 10 Marcelo Garcias by himself. This was recorded in The Deer and the Cauldron.

 

[WouldNotBang]

Didn't read

 

[BEAST]

Cynthia Rothrock does not approve.

8th Degree Black Belt in Tang Soo Do
Black Belt in Taekwondo
Black belt in Karate
Black Belt in Eagle Claw
Black Belt in Wu Shu
Black Belt in Northern Shaolin
Black Belt in Pai Lum Tao Kung Fu

Most dangerous woman on the planet.

 

[ramair455]

Kung Fu and other dance styles all rely on secrecy and mystery. The mystery was broken years ago, yet people still want to believe. It's not bullshido: it's just not fighting. Call it dancing, opera, performing art, great. But Kung Fu is not fighting if they have to hide behind closed door to do it. Just like Rickson racked his 400-0 record behind closed doors...

I'll give you an example. I can speak every language on the face of the Earth. Yet, if I utter even a word, it might damage your eardrums. So, as a mark of respect to the bushido (bullshito?) spirit, I refuse to demonstrate.

Pathetic.

 

[Grijswaarde]

MMA rules are made up to give wrestlers and kickboxers an unfair advantage. Now most 阳指 techniques are illegal thus making their fighters look bad. If it was REAL fighting the Chinese would probably dominate UFC.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

Thought you were talking about the poster and came in ready to fuck your shit up.

If you like Kung Fu thats fine, people get to like what they want to and I'm sure it's got many good values. But it is not an effective fighting system.

 

[BEAST]

Kung Fu, Wing Chun and other chinese arts are good for 2 things
1) Monks breaking bricks with their fingers for tourists
2) Wild folk legends like LouisBolanos has written up in this thread

 

[Ogata]

You are right in much of what you wrote many ancient martial arts are for personal self improvement of the mind and body not being a good fighter

For sure, I kept writing "ancient martial arts" since I don't consider modern kung fu guys as such because they don't the lifestyle of the old school kung fu masters.


At the end of the day, modern MMA fighters get busted up post fight career and end up becoming resentful and bitter while the ancient martial artist becomes wiser in old age while retaining their vitality, vigor and mental clarity.

Like I said in the previous thread, MMA doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the world's martial arts.

Mei Chao Feng was able to use Jiu Yin white bone claw to penetrate the human skull with her fingers, even though she only obtained half of the Jiu Yin manual and did everything in the wrong sequence. She went against 5 martial art masters by herself while blind. I doubt an elite MMA fighter would be able to take on 5 ammys, let alone doing so blind.

Her master was able to dislocate Guo Jing's shoulders using his torso alone without hands or legs, and fought to a draw against the seven members of the Quanzhen sect even though they had trained to fight together for years.

I am still not too familiar with former Kung Fu masters but I have seen few people who have trained in the "black sand palm"

That being said, I did read your post and I agree with you regarding ability. If nothing else, Kung Fu masters have AMAZING body control and they have unique physical attribute like Diamond finger, Iron palm or various body hardening methods at their disposal.

Oh and they don't end up having bum knees/joints because they practice recovery methods and avoid exciting the nervous system.

 

[Toxxus]

Like I said in the previous thread, MMA doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the world's martial arts.

Mei Chao Feng was able to use Jiu Yin white bone claw to penetrate the human skull with her fingers, even though she only obtained half of the Jiu Yin manual and did everything in the wrong sequence. She went against 5 martial art masters by herself while blind. I doubt an elite MMA fighter would be able to take on 5 ammys, let alone doing so blind.

Her master was able to dislocate Guo Jing's shoulders using his torso alone without hands or legs, and fought to a draw against the seven members of the Quanzhen sect even though they had trained to fight together for years.

This deserves more likes than it is getting.

 

[LouisBolanos]

I am still not too familiar with former Kung Fu masters but I have seen few people who have trained in the "black sand palm"

That being said, I did read your post and I agree with you regarding ability. If nothing else, Kung Fu masters have AMAZING body control and they have unique physical attribute like Diamond finger, Iron palm or various body hardening methods at their disposal.

Oh and they don't end up having bum knees/joints because they practice recovery methods and avoid exciting the nervous system.

Yes, black sand/iron sand palm is the signature technique of the iron palm sect. It is one of the more powerful palm based techniques. Qiu Qian Ren, the head of the iron palm sect, was able to put his hand in hot iron sand at over 200 degrees Celsius (over double the boiling point of water) and hold it there for extended periods. He was able to bend a solid steel rod of 2 inch diameter into a U shape then re-straighten it. Not even someone like Brian Shaw, the supposed strongest man in the world, would be able to do it. He entered a race with Lao Wan Tong and together they raced for 49 days running 12+ hours days while keeping a steady pace. We're talking a completely different level of martial art mastery and body/mind constitution.

That said, the dragon submission palms and the melancholy palms were both more advanced palm techniques. Both Yang Guo and Hong Seven bested Qiu Qian Ren with moderate effort.

 

[BEAST]

And Moses split a fucken sea in half.

Let's see your kung fu boys do that.

 

[DragonBreath]

It is really more simple than most of you realize. Fighters have a job of getting punched in the face. A major goal of traditional martial arts is to NOT get punched in the face. A martial artist has lost as soon as they sign a fight contract. Prize fighting is not the same sport as traditional martial arts. Prize fighters have a difficult time advancing past the first level of black belt in most traditional arts, because they have to prioritize athleticism to survive getting punched in the face. They're actually just planning to get punched! So the best they can be is first or second level black belt, which is similar to "first year graduate student" level.

Likewise, an advanced martial artist would not have the practice in getting punched in the face to do so without a lot of injury and distraction. They also haven't damaged their body to deaden the nerves. They care instead about preserving their health for old age! And they learn their whole lives to value the little things in life, they only need a steady income as a teacher, if they start wanting lots of money their response is to meditate and shake it off, not to agree to get punched in the face.

It is like wondering why theoretical physicists don't quit and become stock brokers. They would make a lot of money, but money might not be as appealing to them as their current job!

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

 

[Grijswaarde]

And Moses split a fucken sea in half.

Let's see your kung fu boys do that.

Ehmm.. how do you think the Chinese invaded Japan during the Wan Shu period when they didn't invented boats yet?

I'll wait.

 

[L0ki]

LEAVE KUNG FU ALONE!!!!!

 

[LouisBolanos]

And Moses split a fucken sea in half.

Let's see your kung fu boys do that.

We're talking facts here, not biblical fairy tales. If you want to talk fairy tales I suggest checking out the Japanese Fairytale called Elder God Demonbane, you'll find feats far more impressive than ocean splitting.

 

[dembones22]

MMA rules are made up to give wrestlers and kickboxers an unfair advantage. Now most 阳指 techniques are illegal thus making their fighters look bad. If it was REAL fighting the Chinese would probably dominate UFC.

This is bullshit. So your style can only effective if there is no rules??

Guess what? In a real fight anyone can do illegal shit. Good luck stopping a proficient wrestler from taking you down and head butting you and and eye gouging you if so inclined.