International Knife attack in Solingen, Germany. Multiple dead

[Tayski]

From Ukraine?! Lol dude, that is Russian propaganda for the idiots inside Russia, don't fall for that shit.

Cause they know how deal with them


It is simple. They have guns problem in the US.
If the Islamists get weapons in Europe, the game is over.

Can you prove they didn't drive from Ukraine and didn't get caught while driving back to Ukraine though? For sure it's Russian propaganda, but it's also convenient that Russia gets 2 terror attacks in the space of 2 months while at war with Ukraine and the West.

You do realize that Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed is a Muslim himself by the way?

Islamists who commit terror attacks in Europe also have guns in most cases by the way.

You're the one who said "less Islamists = less dead people" while you have countries with no Islamists with tons more murders and mass killings and Islamist countries with almost no crimes. So obviously the issue isn't just related to religion.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Solingen stabbing comes amid steep rise in knife crime in Germany​

Deborah Colein Berlin

Politicans have long been calling for stricter weapons laws while others say social issues need to be addressed, after three killed at festival on Friday

Germany has experienced a steep rise in knife violence in recent years, and the mass fatal stabbing in the western city of Solingen will compound the pressure on the government to crack down on the problem, officials and analysts said.

Security authorities say attacks with knives are particularly concentrated in city centres and at railway stations, leading the country’s interior minister, Nancy Faeser, this month to call for restrictions on the weapons in public spaces, days before the assault that claimed the lives of three people at a festival in Solingen.


Faeser has proposed only allowing the carrying of knives with blade lengths of 6cm, down from the 12cm currently allowed, with exceptions only for household knives in closed packaging that have just been bought.

She told public broadcaster ARD on 11 August: “We want a general ban on dangerous switchblades and will present the relevant amendments to weapons laws soon.”

She added that local governments should create more weapon-free and particularly knife-free zones in their communities.

“Brutal violent acts are being carried out with knives that lead to the worst injuries or can be deadly,” she said, outlining the need for action.

Police statistics show a nearly 6% year-on-year increase in serious bodily assaults using a knife, to 8,951 cases in 2023 compared with 2022. These included attacks in which victims were injured or threatened with a knife.

Federal police, who are also responsible for security at railway stations, said knife crimes there had soared last year to 777 attacks, with 430 cases recorded in the first half of this year.

Charité hospital in Berlin reported treating as many stab wounds in the first six months of 2024 as in the entirety of 2023, according to public broadcaster RBB – about 50 to 55 cases.

Germany’s 16 states have long been calling for tougher federal measures to address the rash of knife crimes. Faeser had called for better police enforcement of existing weapons laws after police shot and wounded a man in May who injured six people in a knife attack at a rightwing demonstration in the south-western city of Mannheim. Among the victims was a 29-year-old policeman who intervened and was fatally stabbed.

The country has already outlawed the purchase or possession of certain bladed weapons, including butterfly knives, which can carry a prison sentence of up to three years or a fine. So-called one-hand knives, which can be easily opened, and knives with 12cm blades or longer may not be carried outside one’s home or property.


On Saturday, in the aftermath of the deadly assault in Solingen, which also badly injured five people, Germany’s chancellor, Olaf Scholz, promised tough action against the assailant. “The perpetrator must be caught quickly and punished to the full extent of the law,” Scholz posted on X.

Meanwhile, MPs from the co-ruling Social Democrats (SPD), Scholz and Faeser’s party, stepped up their calls for stricter laws.

Dirk Wiese, the deputy head of the SPD parliamentary group, told the daily newspaper Rheinische Post: “It is clear to me that our security services must have more powers to recognise such perpetrators in time, particularly in the digital sphere.

“At the same time, we have got to finally make progress on knife bans in light of the probable terror attack on the city festival in Solingen.”

The far-right Alternative für Deutschland party has attempted to seize on street crime and knife violence as an issue, particularly in campaigning for three state elections next month in eastern Germany in which it is expected to perform well.

Party co-leader Alice Weidel last month claimed in a television interview that there had been “more than 15,000” knife crimes in 2023, calling it a “record” and accusing young immigrant men of being disproportionately responsible.

Weidel later corrected last year’s figure to 13,844, which included robberies in which a knife was used to threaten the victim.

Federal police have only been collecting specific statistics on knife crime since 2021, making annual comparisons difficult and reliant on data compiled from individual states.

Criminologist Dirk Baier warned that stricter laws were unlikely to root out knife assaults.

“That won’t scare off young perpetrators,” he told public broadcaster MDR. “And in weapons-ban zones you’ve got to have checks and the question is whether we have enough personnel.”

He called for youth education to address the surge in stabbings, “explaining for example that you’re most likely to hurt yourself if you carry a knife”.

“You can’t solve the problem with a law,” he said. “It’s a social problem and has to be addressed with social measures.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/a...ing-comes-amid-steep-rise-in-knife-in-germany

- Chucky Dixon Batman comics had DR Flanders in the 90's, a uber leftist psicologist. The guy in this article talks just like him.

 

[Bacco]

The reconquista was started before and ended after the official crusades (span of 700 years) and was basically ebbs and flows between the Muslim empires and Christendom.

The first official crusade was ordered by Pope Urban II against the Seljuk tribes who had invaded the Byzantium empire in Anatolia (modern day Turkey)

The crusades were basically specific campaigns in the middle of what was 1000 years of Christian Vs Muslim conquest of southern Europe

Yeah but iirc spaniards kicked moors asses back where they belonged alone, without help of christian Kingdoms (except possibly french because they were threated too)

In that sense i did'nt counted It as classic crusades

 

[Fossor]

Can you prove they didn't drive from Ukraine and didn't get caught while driving back to Ukraine though? For sure it's Russian propaganda, but it's also convenient that Russia gets 2 terror attacks in the space of 2 months while at war with Ukraine and the West.

I also can't proof that Santa Claus isn't real. But luckily: "The burden of proof falls on whoever makes the claim". That means you.

You do realize that Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed is a Muslim himself by the way?

Did I say anything about Muslims? Nope. Islamists.

Islamists who commit terror attacks in Europe also have guns in most cases by the way.

Some, perhaps, but not all. Unlike people in the US.

You're the one who said "less Islamists = less dead people" while you have countries with no Islamists with tons more murders and mass killings. Just saying.

I never said that islamist are the only to kill other people. But is that a reason not to get rid of them?

 

[Croo67]

Arrests made at a 'home for refugees'.

Surely not... aren't all the boat people little cherubs just trying to start a new life for themselves?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Islamic State group claims responsibility for knife attack in Solingen, Germany that killed 3​

BY DANIEL NIEMANN AND STEPHANIE LIECHTENSTEIN
Updated 4:30 PM BRT, August 24, 2024

SOLINGEN, Germany (AP) — The Islamic State group Saturday claimed responsibility for a knife attack in Solingen, Germany that killed three people and wounded eight others, according to its Amaq news site.

The group said the attacker targeted Christians and is a “soldier of the Islamic State” who carried out the attack “to avenge Muslims in Palestine and everywhere.”

Police began raiding a home for asylum seekers in the city center of Solingen, including with special forces, the German news agency DPA reported.

“We have received tips and therefore we are currently conducting police activities,” a police spokesperson said.

Special police units had joined the search for the unknown knifeman who cut the throats of revelers at a crowded festival in the western German city, killing three people and wounding at least eight others, four of them seriously.

A 15-year-old boy was arrested early Saturday. Police said he was suspected of knowing about the planned attack and failing to inform authorities, but he was not the attacker.

Markus Caspers, from the counterterrorism section of the public prosecutors office, told a news conference on Saturday that authorities have not found the perpetrator.

“So far we have not been able to identify a motive, but looking at the overall circumstances, we cannot rule out” the possibility of terrorism, Caspers said, though he did not offer further details.

The three people who died were two men aged 67 and 56 and a 56-year-old woman, authorities said. Police said the attacker appeared to have deliberately aimed for his victims’ throats.

Thorsten Fleiss from the German police, who was the chief of operations on Friday night, said that police are conducting various searches and investigations in the entire state of North Rhine Westphalia that will continue throughout the day.

He said that it is a “big challenge” to bring together available evidence and testimony from witnesses in order to come up with a overall picture.

Fleiss also said that police have found several knives but added that he was unable to confirm whether any of them have been used as weapon by the perpetrator during the attack.

Police warned people to stay vigilant even as well wishers started to leave flowers at the scene. Authorities established an online portal where witnesses could upload footage and any other information relevant to the attack.

Churches in Solingen have opened their doors to offer a space for prayer and emergency pastoral care.

German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser paid a visit to Solingen on Saturday evening. She said that the government would do everything possible to support the city and the people Solingen.

“We will not allow that such an awful attack divides our society,” she said, appearing alongside Minister-President of the German State of North Rhine Westphalia Hendrik Wüst and State Minister for Internal Affairs Herbert Reul.

Wüst described the attack as “an act of terror against the security and freedom of this country.” But Faeser, the country’s top security official, hasn’t classified it as a “terror attack.”

Reul announced that the planned visit of the interior minister to the crime scene wouldn’t take place because of the ongoing police operation in the affected areas of the city. He pleaded with the public to “give time to the police” so that they can do their work. He also said that police presence would be increased at larger events, especially because the perpetrator hasn’t been caught yet.

People alerted police shortly after 9:30 p.m. Friday to an unknown attacker having wounded several people with a knife on a central square, the Fronhof.

“Last night our hearts were torn apart. We in Solingen are full of horror and grief. What happened yesterday in our city has hardly let any of us sleep,” the mayor of Solingen, Tim Kurzbach, said, speaking to reporters on Saturday near the scene of the attack.

The “Festival of Diversity,” marking the city’s 650th anniversary, began Friday and was supposed to run through Sunday, with several stages in central streets offering attractions such as live music, cabaret and acrobatics.

The attack took place in the crowd in front of one stage. Hours after the attack, the stage lights were still on as police and forensic investigators looked for clues in the cordoned-off square. The rest of the festival was canceled.

Solingen has about 160,000 residents and is located near the bigger cities of Cologne and Duesseldorf.

Caspers told the news conference that the 15-year-old boy was arrested after two female witnesses contacted police. They said they had listened to a conversation between the boy and an unknown person before the attack, speaking about intentions that corresponded to the events that followed.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Saturday that the perpetrator must be caught quickly and punished with the full force of the law.

“The attack in Solingen is a terrible event that has shocked me greatly. An attacker has brutally killed several people. I have just spoken to Solingen’s mayor, Tim Kurzbach. We mourn the victims and stand by their families,” Scholz said on X.

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier also spoke to Kurzbach on Saturday morning.

“The heinous act in Solingen shocks me and our country. We mourn those killed and worry about those injured and I wish them strength and a speedy recovery from all my heart,” Steinmeier said in a statement on Saturday.

“The perpetrator needs to be brought to justice. Let’s stand together — against hatred and violence.”

There has been concern about increased knife violence in Germany, and Interior Minister Nancy Faeser recently proposed toughening weapons laws to allow only knives with a blade measuring up to 6 centimeters (nearly 2.4 inches) to be carried in public, rather than the length of 12 centimeters (4.7 inches) that is currently allowed.

https://apnews.com/article/germany-knife-attack-solingen-festival-84ad7df23ca5ecc8c2145d57e75090d6

 

[Tayski]

I also can't proof that Santa Claus isn't real. But luckily: "The burden of proof falls on whoever makes the claim". That means you.

Did I say anything about Muslims? Nope. Islamists.

Some, perhaps, but not all. Unlike people in the US.

I never said that islamist are the only to kill other people. But is that a reason not to get rid of them?

I didn't make the claim, Russia did.

Also it's easy to prove Santa Claus doesn't exist, so that's a bad analogy.

Extremists are always an issue not just Islamists.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Right? Imagine if they had a gun!

Whose they? Just the attacker or are you willing to concede a firearm would have gotten less people stabbed?



I agree

 

[Tayski]

Whose they? Just the attacker or are you willing to concede a firearm would have gotten less people stabbed?



I agree

I hope you're not trying to say that guns would have stopped 3 people getting stabbed.

 

[Fossor]

Extremists are always an issue not just Islamists.

This is true, but it turns out that Europe's current problem is Islamists.
I am not against multiculturalism, but you must always keep the extremists on a leash, even at the cost of some freedom, otherwise you will pay for it with your lives.

 

[Tayski]

This is true, but it turns out that Europe's current problem is Islamists.
I am not against multiculturalism, but you must always keep the extremists on a leash, even at the cost of some freedom, otherwise you will pay for it with your lives.

Hard to disagree that extremists should be locked up, but it's not that easy to always identify them and stop them on time. Mass killings isn't just an Islamist thing though.

 

[The Big Yin]

Yeah but iirc spaniards kicked moors asses back where they belonged alone, without help of christian Kingdoms (except possibly french because they were threated too)

In that sense i did'nt counted It as classic crusades

The reconquistas involved 3 groups, the Muslim empire, the Spaniards (kingdoms of Navarre and Aragon for example) and the Catholic church (Charlemagne)

It's why you had weird situations like the medieval warlord knight El Cid fighting both with and against the Muslims and the Catholic Church.

It was the Spanish kings and queens, along with the knights who were the real badasses, along with the Serbians. The Spanish infantry techniques was pure genius.

 

[Barteh]

Hahaha, so someone who commits a knife attack and happens to be a Muslism it's the fault of corrupt politicians and wokies however if it's a native committing the attack then it's not as avoidable.

So essentially ban all Muslisms from Western countries and that would solve the problem? The problem was already a thing before and Muslism have been in the UK for a long time, it's not a new phenomenon. Most of the knife attacks aren't even from first generation immigrants but instead people who are born in the UK.

Yes, ban islam and stop importing more of it.

 

[Croo67]

There's not much that can be done now about the infestation. Countries like Ireland have been giving passports to fresh-off-the-boat third world cavemen - they now can't be deported.

 

[Tayski]

Yes, ban islam and stop importing more of it.

Except knife crime in the UK and Europe is mostly from individuals from poor background who are born in those countries. I lived just outside Paris for a big part of my life, in London for 10 years and in Sweden for 6 years, and the majority of knife attacks in those places were and are from gangs on each other, usually from immigration backgrounds but born in the country and the vast majority aren't Muslism.

Banning Muslism from entering those countries isn't going to stop knife crime or even close to it. There is a bigger issue overall and the focus should be on controlled immigration and actually integrating immigrants properly rather than parking them in ghettos. Religion is far from the main factor here.

 

[Fossor]

Hard to disagree that extremists should be locked up, but it's not that easy to always identify them and stop them on time. Mass killings isn't just an Islamist thing though.

They are easier to identify than some bat shit crazy school shooters. I've already posted this link


If the German police are not tapping the phones of every single person who was identified at this rally, then they should all be fired.

 

[Tayski]

There's not much that can be done now about the infestation. Countries like Ireland have been giving passports to fresh-off-the-boat third world cavemen - they now can't be deported.

Those countries are desperate for immigrant workers taking the shitty less paid jobs nobody else wants. A lot of strong economies in Europe have built on immigration from outside of Europe for a long time.

The problem is that they import too many of them at once, park them in ghettos and fail to integrate them properly. Meanwhile some countries like UAE are very dependent on immigrant workers, but they do give them jobs (even if shit pay and terrible work conditions) while having very strict laws and crime punishments and they send home whoever tries anything remotely illegal. You just don't fuck around in countries where physical punishment and capital punishment are still a thing.

 

[Tayski]

They are easier to identify than some bat shit crazy school shooters. I've already posted this link


If the German police are not tapping the phones of every single person who was identified at this rally, then they should all be fired.

A lot of the crazy school shooters usually have a history of psychological issues and many have been reported against for antisocial behavior. Yet they're allowed to buy and carry guns and then commit those acts. They're not harder to identify than Islamist extremists.

The problem is that even when those people are identified nothing is done against them. Same with the seriously deranged killers who are released from prison after just a few years and are walking the streets freely without being monitored.

 

[Fossor]

A lot of the crazy school shooters usually have a history of psychological issues and many have been reported against for antisocial behavior. Yet they're allowed to buy and carry guns and then commit those acts. They're not harder to identify than Islamist extremists.

I don't think so.
According to cdc there are millions of them:

ADHD, anxiety problems, behavior problems, and depression are the most commonly diagnosed mental disorders in children. Estimates for ever having a diagnosis among children aged 3-17 years, in 2016-19, are given below.
Anxiety 9.4% (approximately 5.8 million)
Behavior problems 8.9% (approximately 5.5 million)
Depression 4.4% (approximately 2.7 million)

 

[Croo67]

Those countries are desperate for immigrant workers taking the shitty less paid jobs nobody else wants. A lot of strong economies in Europe have built on immigration from outside of Europe for a long time.

The problem is that they import too many of them at once, park them in ghettos and fail to integrate them properly. Meanwhile some countries like UAE are very dependent on immigrant workers, but they do give them jobs (even if shit pay and terrible work conditions) while having very strict laws and crime punishments and they send home whoever tries anything remotely illegal. You just don't fuck around in countries where physical punishment and capital punishment are still a thing.

They're putting them in brand new housing in Ireland.