Kimura Thumbs or no thumbs??

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by tommboy, Dec 13, 2005.

  1. tommboy

    tommboy White Belt

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    My instructer tells us to not use thumbs when executing the kimura(for better levarage), but I just looked at it online and the picture has it of the guy using thumbs in the grip of the arm.... ????
     
  2. Soulfly

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    It's all about personal preference. Some people feel they have more leverage without the thumbs, but I don't know if it really matters.
     
  3. hamoom

    hamoom Purple Belt

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    when you originally grab his wrist use your thumb. then when you lock up the kimura, remove your thumbs. the reason for removing the thumbs is that if he moves his arm in a violent way you don't want your thumbs getting injured.
     
  4. mma-lee

    mma-lee Orange Belt

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    yeah, he can actually break your thumb.
     
  5. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    Yeah I was taught the same way. Grip with the thumb so you have a better grip, then remove it. Also without the thumb it's harder to escape because you can slide your hand more down his wrist.
     
  6. swiftman

    swiftman White Belt

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    My instructor taught no thumbs. However in the Cesar Gracie instructionals he uses thumbs.

    Put another way - I have no idea....
     
  7. SmashiusClay

    SmashiusClay Avatar of Cyttorak

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    I'm going to be incredibly unhelpful and say that IMO its a thing of presonal preference. I use the thumbs and feel this gives me much more control and grip, but I can see the argument for not using them, experiment and see which gets the move to work more often for you.
     
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    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    its a personal pref.. but with no thumbs you get a great grip and avoid sprianed and or broken thumbs.
     
  9. Aesopian

    Aesopian Brown Belt

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    I'll use thumbs to secure it and no thumbs to finish. You have better leverage without your thumbs.
     
  10. Nate Pringle

    Nate Pringle Yellow Belt

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    I prefer the monke grip myself. Ive actually had thumb / wrist issues from not using it so its become a habit out of neccesity.
     
  11. tequilaman

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    Boom! He nailed it. Ideally though you want to switch to the no-thumb hold as soon as you can because it has a stronger grip (yes, I know, counter-intuitive) when you apply it correctly. It gives you better leverage.
     
  12. praetor6

    praetor6 White Belt

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    Thumb it.
     
  13. blanko

    blanko Guest

    ditto
     
  14. dutchmasterj3

    dutchmasterj3 Blue Belt

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    monkey grip on kimuras is what I learned - so no thumbs
     
  15. CoutureFan16

    CoutureFan16 Purple Belt

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    Try it on yourself, take your right hand and grab your left wrist. Try moving your wrist with both variations. I find it alot harder to move my wrist without thumbs, so Im assuming that way gives you better control.
     
  16. tequilaman

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    The purpose of no thumbs is to give you better grip and strength after you lock it in. The same holds true with wrestling takedowns---> YOu should never grab a leg with an open hand, instead your thumb should be folded over the top (back) of your index finger and your hand should be curled in a "U" shape with your fingers pointed back toward your elbow.
     
  17. DMcKayBJJ

    DMcKayBJJ Blue Belt

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    Helio would say no thumb.
     
  18. Crooks

    Crooks White Belt

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    no thumbs.

    for example when you pin an arm on the ground either for a kimura or an americana and you are using your thumb, when you post to put your weight on that arm to keep it pinned, you are crushing your own thumb and fingers under his wrist.

    when you use no thumbs, all the pressure is on the wrist, not the wrist on top of your fingers on top of the ground.

    plus i find it allows my hands to get closer together and hold a better grip.
     
  19. Joey Guidice

    Joey Guidice Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    I was taught no thumbs
     
  20. Stoic1

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    Personal preference and environment.

    Like crossing your feet in the armbar. Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. But when it comes down to it there is no right answer.

    I use thumbs. I have never had my thumb broken and have probably applied, literally, many hundreds of Kimuras to finish people.
     

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