Kicking with leg first instead of the hip twist.

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The very, very, old way of kicking in karate is recruiting the leg muscles for lashing out, instead of the hip and back muscles.

It makes no sense without a good deal of fast twitch muscle fiber in your genotype. Or else it won't do any damage. But suppose you have those types of muscles....

I found it to be an interesting alternative to the kickboxing way of turning over the hip and then throwing out the leg.

Pereira sort of does it, but not dynamically, and his hips remain static.

Contrary to Pereira .... The hips do adjust to the kick in the way I am talking about, but the hips don't lead the strike. The leg does.


What do you guys think about it? I hope I made it comprehensible

 

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How many could react to this?

 

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Do you train at a martial arts gym? Just ask your coach man

 

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Do you train at a martial arts gym? Just ask your coach man

I don't. Why can't I ask here?

 

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I don't. Why can't I ask here?

I didn't say you couldn't ask here, this is just the type of question that could be answered within five minutes of your first training session at a martial arts gym

 

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I didn't say you couldn't ask here, this is just the type of question that could be answered within five minutes of your first training session at a martial arts gym

i am doing a survey. To me it's more effective to lead with the leg than the hip when kicking. In other words doing the equivalent of arm punching with kicking. It sounds wrong but legs are innately strong, arms are not.

 

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I didn't say you couldn't ask here, this is just the type of question that could be answered within five minutes of your first training session at a martial arts gym

I will get an honorary 1st dan in Shotokan Karate in december. Despite not having performed a single kata in Shotokan Karate

I did not ask for it. The instructor insists.

 

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I will get an honorary 1st dan in Shotokan Karate in december. Despite not having performed a single kata in Shotokan Karate

I did not ask for it. The instructor insists.

i am doing a survey. To me it's more effective to lead with the leg than the hip when kicking. In other words doing the equivalent of arm punching with kicking. It sounds wrong but legs are innately strong, arms are not.

Quick answer: low kicking without turning over is common in combat sports. The way my coach teaches, low kicking without turning the hip is usually meant to set up shots or quickly score some points. Usually can throw someone's rhythm off if you fire a quick inside low kick when they are trying to get their hands going. Low kicking with the hip turn and all that jazz is for when you've already set it up. It really, really sucks when you put a whole bunch of mustard on a low kick and they check it.

 

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Quick answer: low kicking without turning over is common in combat sports. The way my coach teaches, low kicking without turning the hip is usually meant to set up shots or quickly score some points. Usually can throw someone's rhythm off if you fire a quick inside low kick when they are trying to get their hands going. Low kicking with the hip turn and all that jazz is for when you've already set it up. It really, really sucks when you put a whole bunch of mustard on a low kick and they check it.

Okey But in combat sports they use the shin or instep. This is with the ball of the foot. A smaller contact surface. Ever tried that?

How much does high acceleration compensate for a lack of mass?

 

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When roundtree broke the guys leg he did it a stomping motion, and the foot surface was similar to the ball of the foot..

So even though the heel and ball of the foot is softer than the shin, they are apparently hard enough to break bones.

I used to think that the surface was too weak and that's why TMA side kicks rarely do damage, but I think side kicks fail because they don't get enough traction on it before it lands, they just push it.. the speed is too low

 

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Low kicking with the hip turn and all that jazz is for when you've already set it up

Let's take the principle we are discussing and elevate the kicks to mid and high section. No telegraph. Just lash of the kick. and let's use a smaller striking surface to compensate the lack of mass. What then..

 

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No hip turn over. And he kicked way slower than me ( I think have to see the other angle)... Still got the job done.

 

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Okey But in combat sports they use the shin or instep. This is with the ball of the foot. A smaller contact surface. Ever tried that?

Nope, sounds like an easy way to break your toes. Push kicks to the leg and Savate chasse-style kicks work well though.

How much does high acceleration compensate for a lack of mass?

It doesn't compensate for a whole lot, you need to get your weight behind your strikes to really hurt someone.

When roundtree broke the guys leg he did it a stomping motion, and the foot surface was similar to the ball of the foot..

So even though the heel and ball of the foot is softer than the shin, they are apparently hard enough to break bones.

I used to think that the surface was too weak and that's why TMA side kicks rarely do damage, but I think side kicks fail because they don't get enough traction on it before it lands, they just push it.. the speed is too low

If I'm thinking of the right fight, that was a Savate chasse-style kick.

Let's take the principle we are discussing and elevate the kicks to mid and high section. No telegraph. Just lash of the kick. and let's use a smaller striking surface to compensate the lack of mass. What then..

Not effective for round kicks unless you are very precise, much better odds with linear kicks doing that.

No hip turn over. And he kicked way slower than me ( I think have to see the other angle)... Still got the job done.

He turned his hip over, he just didn't turn his torso very much. Japanese fighters use that style of kick very often.


If you have more questions, please find a local martial arts gym. You'll be supporting a local business and you'll learn more in an hour there than hours of talking to people on forums

 

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He turned his hip over, he just didn't turn his torso very much. Japanese fighters use that style of kick very often.

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If you have more questions, please find a local martial arts gym. You'll be supporting a local business and you'll learn more in an hour there than hours of talking to people on forums

So you really think I can throw the kick I posted in the second comment and not have any formal training in martial arts?

 

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So you really think I can throw the kick I posted in the second comment and not have any formal training in martial arts?

No, you need training to do all of this stuff right. You will be making mistakes you don't know you're making and you need a coach to guide you. Martial arts are the epitome of the phrase "you don't know what you don't know"

 

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Sorry if I'm coming off as harsh, dealing with some personal stuff at the moment. I see these sorts of posts fairly often here and many of the OPs would benefit from doing a couple private sessions with a good coach.

 

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No, you need training to do all of this stuff right. You will be making mistakes you don't know you're making and you need a coach to guide you. Martial arts are the epitome of the phrase "you don't know what you don't know"

I have trained in a school for 4 years and my development sky rocketed when I left it . Not when I was in it,, you know why? They have you drilled so many things you don't reach mastery in any single thing.

 

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I have trained in a school for 4 years and my development sky rocketed when I left it . Not when I was in it,, you know why? They have you drilled so many things you don't reach mastery in any single thing.

That just wasn't a good gym man. Fighting will require you to practice many techniques countless times; nature of the beast. If you get in a good gym, you will grow much faster than training alone or than you did at your previous martial arts school.

 

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He turned his hip over, he just didn't turn his torso very much. Japanese fighters use that style of kick very often.

In my experience, keeping the torso fairly upright is more powerful than doing the exaggerated Muay Thai way. When the torso moves over the leg can't travel as fast. Fast.. but not as fast ..

Do you attribute that to my hip limitations or were the Japanese right ...

 

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It doesn't compensate for a whole lot, you need to get your weight behind your strikes to really hurt someone.

If you double mass, you double force. If you double speed, you quadruple force. Subsequently, speed matters more than mass for power.