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Kickboxing is not to blame for Saki's loss. DUTCH kickboxing style how ever, is.

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Whats with everyone quick to trash the sport as soon as on kickboxer loses? Evey one in MMA trains kickboxing. Its like if a pro boxer got into MMA and got KO'd, will we trash boxing? There are many many styles within the sport. You can have a successful boxer who would do horrible in MMA because his style of boxing is not good for it. Same applies for kickboxing. We are talking about explosive athletes here. Anyone can KO anyone at anytime. All 3 sports are their own game.

Kickboxing has many styles. People need to stop lumping them all under one style (K1 styllez bruh). You got your dutch style which is lots of combos, powerful strikes, but with not much footwork. This is what Saki is. Saki has a style where distance and timing is non existent and shots are being winged with explosion. He would overwhelm guys in kickboxing because the KO rate with bigger gloves is obviously lower. He tried that here but the counter that he would normally take pretty easily, put him down.

Israel has a good style for MMA. More timing based. More footwork. More head movement. Very creative. However he couldn't beat the Glory champ at the time. He got KO'd. In a ring, getting cut off and being trapped in corners will limit the creativity of a fighter and would force them to fight balls the wall like the dutch do. In the octagon, Israel has all the space in the world to show his full arsenal.

Dutch kickboxing style is not a good style of kickboxing for MMA at the highest level. Standing in the pocket ripping combos is just begging to catch one on the chin by even a less skilled fighter. By doing so, you are leaving it to chance. The best style of striking are guys who can enter flow state and who are smooth and creative. Like Israel, like Conor McGregor, like Anderson Silva, like Jon jones and ect...

You got to pick your shots. You got to time them. You got to lul them to sleep. Then strike like lightning. Very much like the teachings of Miyomoto Musashi, and Bruce Lee. You have to look at it like a life and death situation and that giving your opponent a chance to hit you is not an option. This is how real fighting by the best looks like. Many have said in the past that Saki would kill Anderson Silva in his prime if Silva stood with him in the cage. No. Saki would have not land much other than leg kicks. But eventually Silva would land the kill shot.

You cant teach an old dog new tricks. This is sadly where Saki is at. Israel however is a real student of the game and is using his skills very effectively in MMA.
 
Yes and we have seen this happen before to kickboxers coming into mma and getting KTFO by lesser accomplished guys. Those small gloves coupled with extensive boxing training.

I always said if a boxer learns to defend kicks he will beat most kickboxers. Boxing is more intricate than kickboxing with the timing and the ability to fight in a close range etc.

Not that MMA guys are expert level boxers, but they do tend to focus on boxing in their training more specifically than Kickboxers do. Those 1 -2 punches are severely underrated.
 
Yes and we have seen this happen before to kickboxers coming into mma and getting KTFO by lesser accomplished guys. Those small gloves coupled with extensive boxing training.

I always said if a boxer learns to defend kicks he will beat most kickboxers. Boxing is more intricate than kickboxing with the timing and the ability to fight in a close range etc.

Not that MMA guys are expert level boxers, but they do tend to focus on boxing in their training more specifically than Kickboxers do. Those 1 -2 punches are severely underrated.

Depends on the kickboxer, if we are talking tkd or karate based guys they would be a good shot against a boxer due to range
 
The only Kickboxer to achieve something in MMA is crocop
And the only MMA fighter to achieve something in kickboxing is overeem. Being good at 2 sports is harder than you think, Just ask Jordan.
 
Threw a kick and got dropped... Anything can happen with 4 oz. gloves - Joe. Saki will be back.
 
Being physically outmatched is to blame. USADA is to blame. Old, flabby and slow. Physiology = everything.
 
Yes and we have seen this happen before to kickboxers coming into mma and getting KTFO by lesser accomplished guys. Those small gloves coupled with extensive boxing training.

I always said if a boxer learns to defend kicks he will beat most kickboxers. Boxing is more intricate than kickboxing with the timing and the ability to fight in a close range etc.

Not that MMA guys are expert level boxers, but they do tend to focus on boxing in their training more specifically than Kickboxers do. Those 1 -2 punches are severely underrated.

there are plenty kickboxers and thaiboxers that went on to become boxing world champions, so no that wouldn't be the case. Of course fighters like Botha had some succes in K-1, but Heavyweights going to Heavyweights. Has always been an overrated weight class.
 
there are plenty kickboxers and thaiboxers that went on to become boxing world champions, so no that wouldn't be the case.
Yes and they obviously managed to pick up the intricacies of boxing that was needed. A kickboxer will beat a boxer who doesn't know how to defend kicks. All I'm trying to say if you have a kickboxer vs a boxer who has now learned to defend kicks. The boxer will have the advantage as he far more skills to land. Of course there will always be exceptions, guys can find ways to win.

But my point is boxers > kickboxers in terms of skill.
 
Yes and they obviously managed to pick up the intricacies of boxing that was needed. A kickboxer will beat a boxer who doesn't know how to defend kicks. All I'm trying to say if you have a kickboxer vs a boxer who has now learned to defend kicks. The boxer will have the advantage as he far more skills to land. Of course there will always be exceptions, guys can find ways to win.

But my point is boxers > kickboxers in terms of skill.

you say that like it's something easy to learn. it isn't. Satanmuanglek is Boxing world champion and Muay Thai world champion and barely boxes in his Muay Thai fights, because it simply doesn't work that way. Different sport.
 
Dutch kickboxing teaches you to wing naked lowkicks?
 
you say that like it's something easy to learn. it isn't. Satanmuanglek is Boxing world champion and Muay Thai world champion and barely boxes in his Muay Thai fights, because it simply doesn't work that way. Different sport.
I don't disagree my friend.
 
I don't know much about Saki nor his preferred striking style, but I believe that it was him that lost the fight not the style.

Maybe Saki thought Roundtree was an easy fight? Maybe he was careless? Saki got knocked down while throwing a kick.
 
The only Kickboxer to achieve something in MMA is crocop
And the only MMA fighter to achieve something in kickboxing is overeem. Being good at 2 sports is harder than you think, Just ask Jordan.
...Semmy Schilt...
 
...Semmy Schilt...
Semmy Schilt is the opposite. He is a Kyokushin karateka -> mma fighter -> K-1 fighter.

Saying Semmy Schilt is a successful case of kickboxer turning into a mma fighter, is like saying Overeem is a successful case of kickboxer tourning into a mma fighter.
 
I dont think it was kickboxing that caused the loss. Saki was so full of himself and didnt give Roundtree the respect he deserved. Well maybe the gloves didnt help either.
 
It was a very bad look for kickboxing. It want like he was scared of getting taken down. He just got outclassed on the feet.
 
The only Kickboxer to achieve something in MMA is crocop
And the only MMA fighter to achieve something in kickboxing is overeem. Being good at 2 sports is harder than you think, Just ask Jordan.
When is the last time a boxer achieved something in MMA?

In most cases nobody makes a good transition unless you are a wrestler or a grappler.
 
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