Media Khazmat Looking Like a Damn UNIT

[Fedora Millionankles]

They sprinted for 15 minutes, obviously they're gonna be tired.

Khazmat was still throwing, walking him down until the end of the fight though.

I'd say he managed his energy pretty well.

Against Usman though, it doesn't really seem like he was prepared for a wrestling match against someone who would provide that level of resistance though.

That's a different sort of pacing that takes time to prepare for.

He’s an explosive striker and wrestler. Those types of fighters are not built for a marathon of a fight. He had a full training camp vs Usman, who was short notice, and Usman was the fresher fighter even though he was on the losing end of each round.
Have you ever trained in MMA and competed? I ask because you speak with such surety and in absolutes but don’t know some pretty basic realities of MMA training/ fighting.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

The hate for him is weird.

Guy beat Usman and Burns, and people talk about him like his hype train got derailed.

Burns is a LW that fought him at WW and he barely beat him.
Usman is a WW that fought him at MW and he likely would have lost if the fight was 5 rounds.
He was billed as the greatest prospect and sure fire 2 division champion in a record amount of fights and barely fights once a year now; choosing to sit on the sidelines and demand title fights he hasn’t earned.
I’d say his hype train has been throughly derailed.

 

[blaseblase]

Burns is a LW

Not a particularly good one. He only became ranked at WW. It's disingenuous to refer to him as a LW. It's like calling Whittaker a WW or Poirier a FW, ignoring that their current division is where they've had the most success.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Not a particularly good one. He only became ranked at WW. It's disingenuous to refer to him as a LW. It's like calling Whittaker a WW or Poirier a FW, ignoring that their current division is where they've had the most success.

That’s a fair point, though he is a pretty undersized welterweight and especially against Khamzat, who is 6’2” compared to his 5’10”.

 

[AstralPanda]

He’s an explosive striker and wrestler. Those types of fighters are not built for a marathon of a fight. He had a full training camp vs Usman, who was short notice, and Usman was the fresher fighter even though he was on the losing end of each round.
Have you ever trained in MMA and competed? I ask because you speak with such surety and in absolutes but don’t know some pretty basic realities of MMA training/ fighting.

I could say the same thing about you.

Since you don't seem to grasp the simple concept of a short notice opponent change being a disadvantage for both fighters.

Not just whoever is stepping in.

That's why a lot of fighters don't like short notice opponents. Boxers don't even take them anymore.

A lot of upsets happen during those moments and for good reason.

You might think it's black / white and irrelevant, but those subtleties matter.

And in this case, the stylistic opponent change is so drastic, it would be absurd to not factor it into any rational analysis.

You want to come at me about competing, but you can't even see the obvious. Seems that question would be better directed towards yourself.

 

[blaseblase]

That’s a fair point, though he is a pretty undersized welterweight and especially against Khamzat, who is 6’2” compared to his 5’10”.

He's a better WW than he was a LW so referring to him as a LW is misleading. You could just have said Khamzat had a size advantage. Not that it particularly matters. Beating Burns at WW is impressive regardless.

 

[AstralPanda]

He’s an explosive striker and wrestler. Those types of fighters are not built for a marathon of a fight. He had a full training camp vs Usman, who was short notice, and Usman was the fresher fighter even though he was on the losing end of each round.
Have you ever trained in MMA and competed? I ask because you speak with such surety and in absolutes but don’t know some pretty basic realities of MMA training/ fighting.

Because of what I stated in the above post

I'm not so quick to immediately write off his cardio with conviction. There were obviously factors that contributed to the issues with pacing.

If this were to continue for another fight or two beyond this point, then we might have enough information to speak with confidence.

For now, it's being massively overstated based on very little.

Again, if there had been two more rounds that night, I could agree.

But when you train specifically for Usman, you see a different Khazmat. If they scheduled a 5 round fight, then you'd see a version of Khazmat who prepared for a 5 round fight.

Common sense

Your other point is that he also gassed against Burns. Which tells me you obviously don't know what gassing means or you're misremembering. After a 15 minute sprint, extremely high pace, he was still pushing forward, defending well, throwing and landing until the final bell. That isn't someone with poor cardio. Which is why nobody made that argument after the fight.

Going even deeper, we also have to consider that his last two fights are the only time he's gone past the first round. Elite pacing isn't something you just learn over night. It takes time. Ask any fighter who's moved up in weight, they'd tell you the same thing as well.

Food for thought. I'm sure you'll say these things are excuses, but it's just a matter of considering every angle and needing more information before saying anything definitively.

 

[TITS]

Sorry just don't like him nor his attitude and personality.

I'm sure he cares.

 

[Joonyer]

He looks like Costa with a beard. He'll last 3 rounds. That's one round longer than he lasted last time.

 

[Eternalwarriorking]

Yeah, I would guess his tricep, traps, neck and upper thigh is photoshopped. I mean look at his leg and kneecap, what the hell is that haha.

The photo is obviously shopped.

However, there are levels here.

Level 1: Mindless Khamzat stans celebrate his fake arms
Level 2: Mindless Khamzat haters complain about his fake personality
Level 3: Whittaker's camp believe Khamzat is bulking up and overestimate lactic acid buildup exaggerating his already poor gas-tank. But it was only a clever ploy; Whittaker gasses out trying to melt a secretly well-conditioned Khamzat
Level 4: Photoshop afficionados wait to find out if Whittaker knows the picture is shopped before betting the house on Khamzat

 

[blaseblase]

Because of what I stated in the above post

I'm not so quick to immediately write off his cardio with conviction. There were obviously factors that contributed to the issues with pacing.

If this were to continue for another fight or two beyond this point, then we might have enough information to speak with confidence.

For now, it's being massively overstated based on very little.

Again, if there had been two more rounds that night, I could agree.

But when you train specifically for Usman, you see a different Khazmat. If they scheduled a 5 round fight, then you'd see a version of Khazmat who prepared for a 5 round fight.

Common sense

Your other point is that he also gassed against Burns. Which tells me you obviously don't know what gassing means or you're misremembering. After a 15 minute sprint, extremely high pace, he was still pushing forward, defending well, throwing and landing until the final bell. That isn't someone with poor cardio. Which is why nobody made that argument after the fight.

Going even deeper, we also have to consider that his last two fights are the only time he's gone past the first round. Elite pacing isn't something you just learn over night. It takes time. Ask any fighter who's moved up in weight, they'd tell you the same thing as well.

Food for thought. I'm sure you'll say these things are excuses, but it's just a matter of considering every angle and needing more information before saying anything definitively.

Cardio or not, Khamzat is very clearly not the same fighter in round 2 and onward as he has been in round 1. Round 1 Khamzat looks like a world beater, destroyer of worlds. Round 2 and 3 Khamzat is still good but unable to dominate opponents in the same way.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

which fat WW will he fight next?

 

[Yep]

Can he travel to the states yet? Will he actually make weight?

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Round 2 and 3 Khamzat is still good but unable to dominate opponents in the same way.

He chose not to use his wrestling against Burns, and tore the ligament in his hand in the 1st rd against Usman. Still won round 3 in both fights.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Can he travel to the states yet?

The UFC asked him to fight at UFC 300, but Khamzat needed more time to make 170lbs. so I'm assuming he can fight in the US.

 

[blaseblase]

He chose not to use his wrestling against Burns, and tore the ligament in his hand in the 1st rd against Usman. Still won round 3 in both fights.

He scraped by both fights with the thinnest of margins. You can't just pretend it's a coincidence that the two fights to make it to a decision were super close. He's very clearly not the same fighter after round one.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

He's very clearly not the same fighter after round one.

So far he's not the same fighter when he fights against a world class BJJ guy with decent striking where he chose not to use wrestling, and when he gets a torn ligament in his hand.

If he dominates Whittaker in rd 1 then loses the rest, I'll agree with you.

 

[johny ringo]

Bro’s got a Mike Tyson neck now.

 

[blaseblase]

So far he's not the same fighter when he fights against a world class BJJ guy with decent striking where he chose not to use wrestling, and when he gets a torn ligament in his hand.

If he dominates Whittaker in rd 1 then loses the rest, I'll agree with you.

He was able to dominate Burns without wrestling in round one. What changed? It's very evident he's not the same fighter after the first round, pretty bizarre you can't even acknowledge that.

 

[legedema]

Khamzat wasted too much time.
its time for him to get the belt and face later LW champ