Khamzat's insane cardio; he could of gone 10 rounds, DDP was exhausted

[Gamboal]

When Hazmat put DDP into the crucifix for the 4th time that was next level trolling

Humiliating for Dricus.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Didnt Khamzat end on his back in the 5th multible times?As someone said earlier, he paced himself and sapped DDPs Cardio by using his weight in dominant positions to stall and kind of rest. His Cardio was as good as it can be and maybe it is slightly improved but the main difference was that he respected DDP and fought with his brain. His Cardio was never shit to begin with (although he is no merab or Khabib)

You don't need a lot of cardio when you're the one controlling the pace. This wasn't a display of awesome cardio at all. It was a display of superior wrestling technique.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

DDP's face was reasonably jacked up in the post-fight interview,, by round 3 those chipping shots added up and he started getting hit with hard elbows from the crucifix.

Was it "exciting" to watch DDP get methodically broken down while being unable to defend takedowns, executive grappling escapes, or take chances? Not really though it was fascinating to see in one way, but that's on DDP to not get taken down or be willing to risk getting submitted by trying something audacious. Instead he chose to get methodically broken down because he thought Khamzhat would gas.

Methodically? He did the only thing he knows. He's Ronda rousey 2.0. Everyone he gets hit he's wobbled. The smile is for bravado. Don't be stupid.

 

[Cartiac]

You don't need a lot of cardio when you're the one controlling the pace. This wasn't a display of awesome cardio at all. It was a display of superior wrestling technique.

I think you may have gotten too focused on arguing the definition of a word that you have lost the actual point.

The question in this fight around cardio was not if Khamzat could run a marathon. Khamzat was known for finishing fights quickly with very explosive bursts. DDP was known for winning with attrition, able to absorb lots of punishment and maintain his heavy pressure and volume while his opponents no longer could.

That was the "cardio" question that Khamzat answered definitively. The hopes of weakening or decisioning Khamzat by dragging him into the championship rounds are gone. You've got to figure out a way to hurt him.

 

[chinarice]

DDP looked like he got out of a hard sauna session.
How you hit someone 550 times with no visible damage? Thats a feat.
Phil Davis would be proud of this performance.

Lol you shouldn't admit on public forums your eyesight is absolutely terrible. DDP's mouth was all sorts of fucked. Did you even watch the fight sir?

 

[Ramon Antonio]

I think you may have gotten too focused on arguing the definition of a word that you have lost the actual point.

The question in this fight around cardio was not if Khamzat could run a marathon. Khamzat was known for finishing fights quickly with very explosive bursts. DDP was known for winning with attrition, able to absorb lots of punishment and maintain his heavy pressure and volume while his opponents no longer could.

That was the "cardio" question that Khamzat answered definitively. The hopes of weakening or decisioning Khamzat by dragging him into the championship rounds are gone. You've got to figure out a way to hurt him.

No he didn't answer any questions about cardio. He answered a question about being able to stay disciplined throughout a 5 round fight.

He wouldn't have tired out in other fights either if he didn't spring in the opening rounds and those guys offered 0 resistance.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Khamzat 2.0 has a way of fighting that drains every last sap of energy from his big white gorilla opponent whilst expelling minimal energy himself. All while 10-8'ing DDP in every round.

Is this the most insane fighter cardio on the roster as he's so efficient? He made DDP look like Bob Sapp. The way DDP could only hold his body up while mounted on top of Khamzat end of round 5 was shocking to see! He had nothing left.

LMAOOOOO at most insane fighter cardio

It's Merab and it's not a debate. I seriously question if he's fully human

Merab threw 400 strikes (not the rabbit punch pitter patter Khamzat had this fight) at Yan and shot 49 TDs

 

[Cartiac]

No he didn't answer any questions about cardio. He answered a question about being able to stay disciplined throughout a 5 round fight.

He wouldn't have tired out in other fights either if he didn't spring in the opening rounds and those guys offered 0 resistance.

So what question do you still have? What do you think someone could do that would drain Khamzat's cardio in a fight?

 

[JBJ was here]

In this fight, Khamzat redefined the term "elbow strike." The previous two fights had shown what it meant to strike with the elbow; Khamzat showed what it meant to strike while only moving your elbow joint. It is literally impossible to expend any less effort while throwing strikes than Khamzat did against DDP. Swinging your elbow back and forth like Khamzat did requires an acceptance of boredom much more than it requires even a modicum of cardio effort.

Meanwhile, DDP showed that waiting for your opponent to gas out, while it might be a good start to a fight plan, is in no way a complete fight plan.

 

[JBJ was here]

So what question do you still have? What do you think someone could do that would drain Khamzat's cardio in a fight?

Fighting would be a good start. DDP didn't bother doing that.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

So what question do you still have? What do you think someone could do that would drain Khamzat's cardio in a fight?

Someone who can offer proper resistence on the ground and make it a high pace fight or someone who can force him to fight more stand up. Like what Burns did. Let's see if he holds up 5 rounds in a fight like that.

 

[Gamboal]

LMAOOOOO at most insane fighter cardio

It's Merab and it's not a debate. I seriously question if he's fully human

Merab threw 400 strikes (not the rabbit punch pitter patter Khamzat had this fight) at Yan and shot 49 TDs

Yeh but Merab fights in the diddy man weight class and is a dwarf. Even when he sits down on his punches, they are the definition of pitter patter, as his 50cm long arms weigh about as much as a 500g pack of rice. You ain't hurting anything with those. he couldn't punch himself out of a wet paper bag with those midget arms.

Khamzat is 3 times as big as that will-o-wisp and threw 529 landed strikes, a new UFC record.

 

[RedfernNow]

If DDP had a decent sprawl and more aggressive TDD, he may have had a chance at stand up in 4 and 5 but he did and does not. He does have have the quickness with his feet that an Izzy has. Even the Reaper could not manage the space and keep Khamzat off him.
Gilbert had movement and BBJ to slow Khamzat down but Khamzat has improved and become more confident that that now.

I said before that Khamzat will stand up and blast fighters he does not fear.
DDP's best chance is to make those improvements and fight Khamzat again and hope Khamzat takes him more lightly and engages in stand up. But even if he get beaten at stand up, he will still get close and grapple fuck the other guy.

To beat Khamzat he needs to not respect you and allow a stand up and you gotta have a punch to hurt him like Gilbert had or be a great wrestler like Usman was.

Anything else will be torched by Khamzat.
Strickand does not have stand up or speed or punching power to scare him. That would be an interesting fight to watch.

Khamzat would do the same to Perreira who will likely get grapple fucked by Ankalaev again.
Maybe he is the answer, Ankalaev that is.

 

[MMACro]

550 punches, people look worse when they get stung by a bee.

He didnt land all to the head
Lot were knees to the legs and body

 

[Harlekin]

TJ hooked him up well

 

[wufabufa]

The true test of cardio is having to fight your opponent's fight and still having the juice to push forward. That fight was one way traffic, no wonder he didn't get tired.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

He's going to be sore all over tomorrow morning it was such a one-sided beating.

Could have been more damage yeah, but the image of DDP doing that pathetic belly flop over and over to try throw Khamzat off him when he was held down on his back was pitiful. It made me almost feel sorry for the fella

I was rooting for Khamzat and said multiple times during the fight "Poor Dricus"

I was being genuine. it was just sad at a certain point

 

[Cartiac]

Someone who can offer proper resistence on the ground and make it a high pace fight or someone who can force him to fight more stand up. Like what Burns did. Let's see if he holds up 5 rounds in a fight like that.

That is exactly what DDP was expected to be able to do based on the skills he has shown at the championship level. It is nearly impossible to find anyone capable of maintaining a higher fighting pace than DDP.

Could you also define what you mean by proper resistance on the ground? Resistance on the ground, proper or not, doesn't count for much of anything in MMA, some would even call it futile.

The problem that needs to be solved is the techniques everyone has learned to defend against American wrestling don't work against the Dagestani Mountain wrestling style.

You probably saw DDP trying to sprawl. That technique is designed to stop American wrestling by keeping them off your hips. You may have also noticed Khamzat nearly always wrapped his arms around DDP above the waist so even when he sprawled he still was able to get the control he wanted.

My point is whether it is Khabib, Islam, Khamzat, Ankalaev, the sport hasn't developed the techniques to counter this style yet so there is a goldmine awaiting for the coach that figures it out.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Did you watch the fight? Did you watch the 5th round? DDP was the one with extra energy and actually giving himself chances in the 5th round.

If that fight goes 10 rounds, Khamzat loses guaranteed.

 

[Alpha_T83]

My point is whether it is Khabib, Islam, Khamzat, Ankalaev, the sport hasn't developed the techniques to counter this style yet so there is a goldmine awaiting for the coach that figures it out.

Yea, the Dagi Wrestling (or "Caucuses Wrestling" for the facts police) is obviously a hard counter to almost every other MMA style today. Either the rules will change to punish it out of necessity, or as you said coaches will figure it out, and find a way to integrate important principles into MMA.

I do think it's difficult to teach their style in terms of offense. You really do need decades of experience, starting from a young age. But offense is always more difficult to teach than defense, as it is with BJJ. I think their style will be figured out in terms of ways to negate their chain wrestling and stand up more efficiently.