***Khamzat vs Burns MEGATHREAD***

[MMAProfessional]

Did anyone actually have Burns winning round 3?

Are you an actual MMA fan?

Burns almost got finished in the beginning of the third and the only success he had was when he started putting everything into one hook then kept repeating that but was landing on Khamzat's guard.

 

[Hatorade]

It was close

 

[Tevfik1907]

I agree with everything you said ... but disagree with the conclusion

"Hype" is empty nonsense, at the end of the day.

Speaking of Khabib, you don't think he looked like shit against veteran Gleison Tibau? Khabib's hype went away also.

Khabib couldn't even take down Tibau — and got taken down himself, twice.

Khabib learned a lot in that fight — and Khamzat learned a lot in his fight also.
An important similarity is that Khabib always kept coming forward — and so did Khamzat.

Khabib went on to live up to his hype, and then some, and so will Khamzat.

Khamzat is a young fighter, dude, give him a break.

The important take away is not to shit on him, but to realize he never stopped trying to win — and, in fact, he did win ... over the #2 WW in only his third UFC outing.

- Pre-Prime Khabib didn't lose a round vs. Prime Tibau, Khamzat lost a round.
- Khabib didn't get any damage or didn't get dropped in Tibau fight, while Tibau got damaged. While Khamzat got dropped and got damage.
- Tibau absolutely did nothing with that takedown, Khabib has 4 minutes control time, while Tibau has only 17 seconds control time, Khabib was the aggressor of the fight, and controlling the octagon.

The better comparison is how Khabib dominated Prime RDA, and didn't lose a round.

The thing is, we know Khamzat will move up to 185 lbs.

If Khamzat is fighting in 170 lbs right now, he should run through everyone like Conor did in 145 lbs. Because Khamzat has serious size advantage against anyone in 170 lbs, even against Usman. Just like Conor had in 145 lbs.

Khabib didn't have any size advantage in 155 lbs, even Conor has reach advantage against Khabib in 155 lbs.

Khabib wasn't going to move up to 170 lbs, while Khamzat is going to move up to 185 lbs. It wouldn't be a big surprise if Khamzat runs through everyone in 170 lbs due to size advantage, then moves up 185 lbs and won't have trouble with cutting weight as well in that weight class.

 

[morrisondafalln]

I've been watching your posts and you're terrorizing his fanbase. LOL! You're right though, it's damage control.

I never posted about him before. But the hype was unjust and insane. Worst then the connor hype. Lol. Now it's feeding time.

 

[Balistic]

He should have been deducted 1 point for the shin to the face attempt and 1 point for 4 elbows to the back of the head...

 

[ThrowDown]

-Pre-Prime Khabib didn't lose a round vs. Prime Tibau, Khamzat lost a round.
-Khabib didn't get any damage in Tibau fight, while Tibau got damaged.
-Tibau absolutely did nothing with that takedown, Khabib has 4 minutes control time, while Tibau has only 17 seconds control time, Khabib was the aggressor of the fight, and controlling the octagon.

The better comparison is how Khabib dominated Prime RDA, and didn't lose a round.

The thing is, we know Khamzat will move up to 185 lbs.

If Khamzat is fighting in 170 lbs right now, he should run through everyone like Conor did in 145 lbs. Because Khamzat has serious size advantage against anyone in 170 lbs, even against Usman. Just like Conor had in 145 lbs.

Khabib didn't have any size advantage in 155 lbs, even Conor has reach advantage against Khabib in 155 lbs.

Khabib wasn't going to move up to 170 lbs, while Khamzat is going to move up to 185 lbs. It wouldn't be a big surprise if Khamzat runs through everyone in 170 lbs due to size advantage, then moves up 185 lbs and won't have trouble with cutting weight as well in that weight class.

Some valid points, except that RDA had no punching power (Burns does); RDA does not have the BJJ submission resume of Burns, either.

 

[Arrrrgh]

LOL @44 pages.

Y'all have fun.

It was a great fight, can't wait to see both guys in their next fights. Dunno where Burns goes from here but I don't see many people in the division beating him. Colby would be sick. Do Leon Usman and then have Khamzat on deck to fight the winner and Colby/Burns winner fight the loser. Would lock down the top 5 for a bit but it would answer soooo many questions about each of those fighters.


EDIT***
ah I get it now. Not one thread. Mods having their work cut out for them today merging all the shitposts into 1 thread.

Good work mods. Gold star AND a smiley face sticker for each of you today.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Wrong comparison, because in boxing, there are 4 major organizations that boxers are allowed to compete:
- WBC
- WBA
- WBO
- IBF

While in UFC, fighters are not allowed to fight in other organizations if UFC doesn't give them the title shot. For example, Khabib would go to fight for other MMA championships in 2016, after UFC robbed his title shot, he wasn't allowed to do that, while boxers are allowed to go other organizations.

Floyd can fight more champions, because there are much more champions in boxing. That's 1 thing.

And secondly, Floyd was NEVER undisputed champ in boxing in any weight class, while in UFC, if you win the belt, you are undisputed.

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2021/12/08/floyd-mayweather-undisputed-champion/
FLOYD MAYWEATHER: ''I DIDN’T BECOME UNDISPUTED, BUT I COULD HAVE DONE IT''

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/l...loyd-mayweather-cant-be-the-greatest-20200905
Evander Holyfield Explains Why Floyd Mayweather Can't Be The Greatest:


So, Floyd wasn't even undisputed champ in his entire boxing career, thus it's not comparable.

Nobody ever said Floyd was the greatest just like nobody says khabib is

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

yeah hes a regular top 5 fighter, not a world beater like EVERYONE was saying. way to move the goal posts.

He’s not a regular top 5 fighter, he’s a guy who’s a top 5 fighter in his fifth UFC fight. Less than five years into his pro career. That’s not regular. His potential is still spectacular even if he loses soon from being pushed too quickly. GSP lost his first title fight, was he a bust? Was he not a world beater?

 

[JackBlack]

Did you miss the part where he got 10-11 TDs stuffed?

Do you have any experience with wrestling, like at all? Have you every watched a high level wrestling competition? If you think stopping takedowns equates to "getting badly outwrestled" then I don't know what to tell you. If we had a match and I took 11 shots but only took you down once but controlled you on the ground, guess who wins the match?

And what control time did Colby have?

How hard is it to pull up the numbers for the fight?

Colby's entire style is LnP his opponents.

That is your honest take on Colby's fighting style? Yikes

 

[Celeron]

Did we watch he same fight, Khamzat clearly won the first and was close to finishing, lost the 2nd, and won half the 3rd difference being that Khamzat staggered Gilbert who looked to be out on his feet.

Gilbert landed some great shots in he 3rd, but was no near close to finishing like Khamzat was. Regardless it was a great fight that was very close, and I wouldn’t have minded if it were a draw.

 

[Jose Beehive]

wow Khamzat’a career is really resembling Sugar’s aye..

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I loved that fight. It was a beautiful show of heart in Khamzat vs. Gilbert.

But heart won't beat Colby. And won't even get close to Kamaru.


I questioned his chances. I questioned Khamzat. And I was right. Yeah he's good. But not as good as Colby and not even in the same bracket as Kamaru.

Awesome showing though.

Not even in the same bracket as Usman? Gilbert put Usman on his ass.

Usman, Covington, Burns and Chimaev are all in the top bracket. Right now Usman is the best but he’s not on a whole different level or anything. Colby arguably beat him.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

You compared Floyd fighting more champions vs. Khabib, it's not comparable since boxing has different structure than MMA.
Floyd can't be the GOAT, without even being the undisputed P4P No.1 first.

Khabib was undisputed P4P No.1, so he can obviously be the GOAT.

+ he is the only undefeated MMA P4P No.1 champ.

Floyd being undefeated boxing champ is not unique, there are many undefeated boxing champions. While Khabib being undefeated P4P No.1 is unique in MMA.


You are probably right about punching power, but RDA also has his own striking skills.

RDA actually has more submission wins in MMA than Burns has, MMA grappling is different than pure BJJ.

10 submission wins from RDA, includes:
- Kevin Lee
- Neil Magny

8 submission wins from Burns.

He's the only undefeated one because he's the only one to retire in his prime. If Weidman fought 10 cans and retired undefeated with a couple defenses would you consider him goat contender? Lol

 

[Tevfik1907]

He's the only undefeated one because he's the only one to retire in his prime. If Weidman fought 10 cans and retired undefeated with a couple defenses would you consider him goat contender? Lol

If Undefeated Champ Weidman was also P4P No.1 and as dominant as Khabib, who has most 10-8 rounds and never get dropped, or get cut?

Undefeated Champ Weidman wasn't even P4P No.1, wasn't even P4P No.2, let alone other things. LOL.

So it's not even a close comparison.

 

[Tayski]

Your avatar gif sequence of leg kicks is merciless

Yes mate, if you've never seen the fight you should check it out. Buakaw is a legendary Muay Thai fighter. This fight was in K-1 Kickboxing rules. He fought a Japanese guy who grabbed hold of his leg and kicked his other standing leg, which is illegal in that ruleset. Buakaw then got up and had that angry look on his face like "oh really you wanna play like that" and then he proceeded to annihilate the Japanese fighter with leg kicks and then knees to the body and head. He rag dolled him, knocked him down several times and finished him.

This is the fight:


Then an hour later he humiliated the other Japanese fighter in a masterful performance:


I became a fan after watching him destroy 3 people in the same night in that tournament (he beat John Wayne Parr in decision in the quarter final before the 2 fights mentioned above).

 

[mjg15]

I agree and disagree.
Burns is a 155'er. Khamzat's a 185'er.

Better tell that to the God's of scale calibration, seems they thought both weighed 170 at the official weigh-in, and after conforming to the rules of the UFC and the concerned athletic commissions

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

This was me watching round 2 of this fight.

 

[mmaknight]

Not even in the same bracket as Usman? Gilbert put Usman on his ass.

Usman, Covington, Burns and Chimaev are all in the top bracket. Right now Usman is the best but he’s not on a whole different level or anything. Colby arguably beat him.

This narrative that Gilbert hitting Kamaru doesn't and shouldn't support your argument. In fact, it plays against it.

Kamaru finished Gilbert where Khamzat barely squeezed past Gilbert. And in my opinion, Khamzat barely beating Gilbert only proves that Gilbert is on the decline.

Just so you don't confuse your statement with reality, I'll share the beginning and end of Kamaru vs. Gilbert.

Edit. Also, I seem to remember things differnently. Because not only did Kamaru beat Colby once, but he did it twice and even took some of Colby's jaw and soul with him in those two meetings.

No one has been able to break Colby in such a manner as Kamaru has. Kamaru beat him convincingly so that Colby even broke his act to give Kamaru the just respect that he deserves.

It's all love baby.

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

Clip of Gilbert dropping Khamzat and following up with a soccer kick and 12-6 elbows right to the back of the head. I'm glad the kick missed and we got to see that third round.

Pretty dirty...