Media Khamzat Chimaev transforms into fat Santa Claus

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Not gonna lie, this irked me and to be frank i am dissapointed in Khamzat. Christians don't celebrate Muslim holidays, so why should Muslims celebrate theirs? Yesterday, another big athlete, soccer player Mo Salah, was seeb under a Xmas tree with his family unpacking gifts. I immediately unfollowed him

Khabib would never do this. He's not a sell out, nor is Islam.
 
You think all countries are like the United States and Saudi Arabia. There are not just secular countries out there, but a whole secular world. Syria, for example, was a secular country before "we" decided to torch the Middle East. Christians and Muslims there celebrated each others holidays. Sweden is a much more secular country. Sweden doesn't even have Christmas, but Yule. Yule is as secular as holidays get.

Why not leave Medieval values in the Middle Age?

lets leave the religions there as well
 
Not gonna lie, this irked me and to be frank i am dissapointed in Khamzat. Christians don't celebrate Muslim holidays, so why should Muslims celebrate theirs? Yesterday, another big athlete, soccer player Mo Salah, was seeb under a Xmas tree with his family unpacking gifts. I immediately unfollowed him

Khabib would never do this. He's not a sell out, nor is Islam.

go back to the fucking stone age you moronic ape
 
That's gibberish. Because Yahweh condones rape and slavery in the Old Testament, I have to accept rape and slavery as moral?

Of course we should judge from an enlightened perspective. Secular values are objective better. The secular world is objectively better.
What is gibberish? Enlightened values are just values respected in the modern day. We’re just zoned in on these values because that’s the bubble we live in. When you’re in the middle of the woods all alone things just are. That’s it. Everything else is a game that has value assigned to it because other humans assign value to it. Comparison of something to modern values does not disprove its authenticity if there’s a deviance is my only point.

Also the bible has been altered but even still you have to consider context to see if that’s actually what is referenced or meant and the cultural times upon which it was released.

for example I believe some scriptures mention allowing to use surviving war chichas after ending victorious as slaves but had a bunch or contingency on how to treat them. When you look at what was happening at the time you realize that was actually a very positive alternative for captives and survivors. So you have to consider all that not just idealistic perspectives but human psychology and inclinations and everything. Idk sure as hell beats America invading Vietnam cause why not and killing millions of Iraqis because they “thought” they had nukes.
 
You have to love Khamzat, he really is the chosen one who will expose all the religious trolls who support fighters only because of their religious confession!

The first milestone was that all those fanatics will love Khamzat for what they hated about Connor exposing their real nature of hating Conor not because of his loud mouth behaviour but simply because he has a different religion and had a feud with one of their guys.

The second milestone is that they now start hating Hamza because he is not acting like a religious fanatic but actually like a normal guy. Now they will start calling him a traitor, someone without backbone, and so on, showing their real face of hate towards everyone and everything which differs from them and who doesnt share the same hate.

I wonder which the third milestone will be from the Savior!
 
Next year will be sure to leave some bums out next to the Christmas tree for Khamzat Klause to smash.
 
Not gonna lie, this irked me and to be frank i am dissapointed in Khamzat. Christians don't celebrate Muslim holidays, so why should Muslims celebrate theirs? Yesterday, another big athlete, soccer player Mo Salah, was seeb under a Xmas tree with his family unpacking gifts. I immediately unfollowed him

Khabib would never do this. He's not a sell out, nor is Islam.
His kids seemed very happy. Just because he celebrated Christmas and bought presents and a tree for his kids doesn’t mean he is Christian or is not Muslim. I know people in the states who are Hindu or Muslim who celebrate Christmas just because their children enjoy it and go along with it. It’s hard not to get caught up in the spirit of it all especially when you are living in the UK like Salah is. But it does not make him less Muslim. Just like Salah, Khamzat does not live in a majority Muslim country.

I cannot speak for Khabib but if his job entailed having to move full time to a different country or region such as the states or UK, things might be different for him as well. But doing so would not make him less of a Muslim.
 
Not gonna lie, this irked me and to be frank i am dissapointed in Khamzat. Christians don't celebrate Muslim holidays, so why should Muslims celebrate theirs? Yesterday, another big athlete, soccer player Mo Salah, was seeb under a Xmas tree with his family unpacking gifts. I immediately unfollowed him

Khabib would never do this. He's not a sell out, nor is Islam.

Ded Moroz (Grandfather Frost - the Russian equivalent of Santa Claus) is not associated with Christianity. His roots are in Slavic pagan mythology and he is associated with the New Year on post USSR (including Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and other Muslim countries) and some ex-soviet countries.
So I am pretty sure Khabib's kids, just like him 20 years ago are celebrating new year with Ded Moroz.

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That's gibberish. Because Yahweh condones rape and slavery in the Old Testament, I have to accept rape and slavery as moral?

Of course we should judge from an enlightened perspective. Secular values are objective better. The secular world is objectively better.


The Soviets, Maoists and Nazis were also secular. I dont think you can objectively say "secularism is objectively better" because it is also responsible for mass violence and persecution.

There's secularism of the American tradition (on paper) that means 'freedom of religion', then there's secularism of the French tradition which is more 'suppression of religion'. That's what they did following the French Revolution, they went on a Reign of Terror and actively killed Catholic clergy and invented their own religion and calendar, which eventually fell away and Napoleon came to power.

The French Revolution was a giant failure; not only did they they replace one Absolute monarchy with another Absolute monarchy, but after Napoleon's house fell they literally brought back the the old monarchy to replace it. The French Revolution is what gave birth to the Fascist and Communist lines of thought. Communism itself being named after the Paris Commune, and Fascism being born out of the right-wing current of Syndicalism.

Secularism, Communism, Socialism, Democracy, Liberalism are all buzzwords with no clear meaning or consistency.

The only thing I respect is Republicanism, specifically Constitutional Republicanism, because it has some clear meaning behind it. And as long as that Constitution is well-thought out and applicable, you can function properly and relatively-fairly whether that's the U.S. or Iran.

The reason why Europe isn't a complete warzone or shithole like its been for most of history is not because they're "liberal democracies" like people keep parroting but because they have a constitution that allows and restricts certain freedoms. Otherwise democracy only leads to one of two things demagoguery** or gynocracy. Still, there are holes in the Western system, which is why its running towards gynocracy and the air of domestic demagoguery is also in the air (Frankly, foreign-policy based demagoguery is still in full-swing). I give it about a century before this Democratic delusion collapses. The philosophers of Greek antiquity up until the US founding fathers wrote extensively against the problems of "democracy" or mob rule.

**See several states in post-partition Africa, the Balkans, South Asia and Myanmar. Democracy only enabled ethnic tribalism and demagoguery.
 
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You have to love Khamzat, he really is the chosen one who will expose all the religious trolls who support fighters only because of their religious confession!

The first milestone was that all those fanatics will love Khamzat for what they hated about Connor exposing their real nature of hating Conor not because of his loud mouth behaviour but simply because he has a different religion and had a feud with one of their guys.

The second milestone is that they now start hating Hamza because he is not acting like a religious fanatic but actually like a normal guy. Now they will start calling him a traitor, someone without backbone, and so on, showing their real face of hate towards everyone and everything which differs from them and who doesnt share the same hate.

I wonder which the third milestone will be from the Savior!


Bruh, your comment about Conor is completely off. Plenty of people hated Conor because Conor was a literal troll and even he knows it.

Majority of his haters weren't even Muslim. Plenty of white and black people from all backgrounds hated the guy.

Conor was a poser who even stole his lines, dressup, and walk from other well known celebrities. He was also a massive bigot, both against Jose Aldo and Khabib during their pre fights.

I dont have a problem with someone holding bigoted beliefs, just dont put it out in the air to bash people. Dude literally glorified enslavement and colonialism and bragged about how if they were in the past Conor's grandfather would be enslaving or killing them right now.
 
That's gibberish. Because Yahweh condones rape and slavery in the Old Testament, I have to accept rape and slavery as moral?

Of course we should judge from an enlightened perspective. Secular values are objective better. The secular world is objectively better.

The Soviets, Maoists and Nazis were also secular. I dont think you can objectively say "secularism is objectively better" because it is also responsible for mass violence and persecution.

There's secularism of the American tradition (on paper) that means 'freedom of religion', then there's secularism of the French tradition which is more 'suppression of religion'. That's what they did following the French Revolution, they went on a Reign of Terror and actively killed Catholic clergy and invented their own religion and calendar, which eventually fell away and Napoleon came to power.

The French Revolution was a giant failure; not only did they they replace one Absolute monarchy with another Absolute monarchy, but after Napoleon's house fell they literally brought back the the old monarchy to replace it. The French Revolution is what gave birth to the Fascist and Communist lines of thought. Communism itself being named after the Paris Commune, and Fascism being born out of the right-wing current of Syndicalism.

Secularism, Communism, Socialism, Democracy, Liberalism are all buzzwords with no clear meaning or consistency.

The only thing I respect is Republicanism, specifically Constitutional Republicanism, because it has some clear meaning behind it. And as long as that Constitution is well-thought out and applicable, you can function properly and relatively-fairly whether that's the U.S. or Iran.

The reason why Europe isn't a complete warzone or shithole like its been for most of history is not because they're "liberal democracies" like people keep parroting but because they have a constitution that allows and restricts certain freedoms. Otherwise democracy only leads to one of two things demagoguery** or gynocracy. Still, there are holes in the Western system, which is why its running towards gynocracy and the air of domestic demagoguery is also in the air (Frankly, foreign-policy based demagoguery is still in full-swing). I give it about a century before this Democratic delusion collapses. The philosophers of Greek antiquity up until the US founding fathers wrote extensively against the problems of "democracy" or mob rule.

**See several states in post-partition Africa, the Balkans, South Asia and Myanmar. Democracy only enabled ethnic tribalism and demagoguery.
The main problem isn’t religion nor is it different forms of government.

The problem is the capacity of humans to do serious harm onto each other given the right circumstances.

Religion, tribalism and communism are just different ways to draw that behaviour out.

If all 3 of us were to live in Germany in 1941, the chances of us being a Nazi prison guard that complies to the ‘rules’ would be very high. Much, much higher than being an Oskar Schindler.

People don’t like thinking about the idea that they’re not just a good boy or girl but are also quite capable of bringing forth absolute mayhem, given the right circumstances.
 
The main problem isn’t religion nor is it different forms of government.

The problem is the capacity of humans to do serious harm onto each other given the right circumstances.

Religion, tribalism and communism are just different ways to draw that behaviour out.

If all 3 of us were to live in Germany in 1941, the chances of us being a Nazi prison guard that complies to the ‘rules’ would be very high. Much, much higher than being an Oskar Schindler.

People don’t like thinking about the idea that they’re not just a good boy or girl but are also quite capable of bringing forth absolute mayhem, given the right circumstances.


Very true. Personally I believe and know that TRIBALISM is innate to human nature. But RACISM is not.

The form of Tribalism we take is molded by our environment or experiences.

As for forms of government, it's important for the Framers to also understand this and mold the Constitution in a way that is fair and principled to minimize damage and maximize cohesion.
 
Very true. Personally I believe and know that TRIBALISM is innate to human nature. But RACISM is not.

The form of Tribalism we take is molded by our environment or experiences.

As for forms of government, it's important for the Framers to also understand this and mold the Constitution in a way that is fair and principled to minimize damage and maximize cohesion.
Spot on
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