-
Xenforo Cloud is upgrading us to version 2.3.8 on Monday February 16th, 2026 at 12:00 AM PST. Expect a temporary downtime during this process. More info here
Khabibs top 15 GOAT list
- Thread starter Cowboy Kurt Angle
- Start date
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2007
- Messages
- 27,229
- Reaction score
- 8,895
By that logic Coner ranks higher than Fedor in the p4p discussion
- Joined
- Aug 11, 2006
- Messages
- 8,940
- Reaction score
- 3,619
DC too high up but it's just opinion, I guess the case can be made and it's valid enough. A few odd ones on there, but all are arguable .... But no Werdum? You've got two guys on there he beat. One of the the GOAT himself He absolutely should be on there if those two are. If there is a list with Velasquez on it, Werdum should be higher.
D
Deleted member 504083
Guest
Seems like this is sort of a false narrative. Prime Cain was only ever finished by prime JDS, and he wasn't even out cold or anything. His equilibrium just got messed up because he got hit behind the ear with a bomb.
BTW he took a couple of more bombs from JDS in the rematch and ate them
Last edited by a moderator:
- Joined
- Jan 11, 2019
- Messages
- 5,075
- Reaction score
- 3,917
Lol, logic isn’t your strong point. Couture has 9 title wins, while Conor has 3. My point is - Randy has done more across 2 weight classes than Nog has done just at HW. Just like DC has
- Joined
- Jul 24, 2016
- Messages
- 13,655
- Reaction score
- 8,063
You dont get tired of showing no clue whatsoever?
Solid contender to #1 p4p shertard
Think most can agree that Hughes and Volk are the most glaring ommissions.
Also after a couple more defenses Islam should be in there (crazy win streak, only 1 loss, pieced up a goat in Volk standing up), same with Leon (crazy win streak, beat a goat in Usman twice).
Lastly feel like Conor as much of a clown hes become has an argument to be included somewhere.
-15 fight win streak, 7 in a row in UFC
-Dethroned the decade reigning invincible Jose Aldo in 13 seconds
-Jumped TWO weight classes (he wasnt always that heavy) to split a pair vs Nate
- First simultaneous double champ
-Only fighter to have KO's in 3 weight classes
Cant stand the douche & what hes become but he had a legendary run, brief as it was. Kindof similar to Cejudo (champ champ, beat a goat of a weight class (DJ), short stints as champ
You cant really make a top 15 without snubbing a few candidates so can see why he put 20. You need around 30 to capture everyone since theres so many that are about even with each other.
Also after a couple more defenses Islam should be in there (crazy win streak, only 1 loss, pieced up a goat in Volk standing up), same with Leon (crazy win streak, beat a goat in Usman twice).
Lastly feel like Conor as much of a clown hes become has an argument to be included somewhere.
-15 fight win streak, 7 in a row in UFC
-Dethroned the decade reigning invincible Jose Aldo in 13 seconds
-Jumped TWO weight classes (he wasnt always that heavy) to split a pair vs Nate
- First simultaneous double champ
-Only fighter to have KO's in 3 weight classes
Cant stand the douche & what hes become but he had a legendary run, brief as it was. Kindof similar to Cejudo (champ champ, beat a goat of a weight class (DJ), short stints as champ
You cant really make a top 15 without snubbing a few candidates so can see why he put 20. You need around 30 to capture everyone since theres so many that are about even with each other.
- Joined
- Jun 28, 2010
- Messages
- 41,073
- Reaction score
- 57,084
It's a very respectable list imo.
- Joined
- Jul 24, 2016
- Messages
- 13,655
- Reaction score
- 8,063
I'd say Nogueira is a en even more glaring omission than Hughes
- Joined
- May 14, 2021
- Messages
- 394
- Reaction score
- 457
Ohhh noes he posted a picture. Your parents really should have considered contraceptives
D
Deleted member 592659
Guest
Max Holloway beat Aldo two times
- Joined
- Jan 11, 2019
- Messages
- 5,075
- Reaction score
- 3,917
Tell me where I’m wrong, bitch! Right, you can’t. All you can do is throw baseless accusations
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2021
- Messages
- 3,029
- Reaction score
- 1,696
No he wasn't, you don't know of what you're talking about.
Your opinion is useless.
A 39 years old Hendo already lost against Jake Shields before destroying Fedor.
No one cares about Fedor outside the salty nostalgics in Sherdog.
Fedor is completely and totally irrelevant in modern MMA, hence why he got so baldy exposed once he left Japan.
- Joined
- Apr 10, 2022
- Messages
- 2,254
- Reaction score
- 3,914
Ask yourself one thing, why is it that there isn't a single fighter or expert who feels this way?
But you have the answers right? You know the truth.
You should be a coach or something bro. Since you obviously have knowledge and wisdom of the game that's superior to anyone who's ever done this.
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2021
- Messages
- 3,029
- Reaction score
- 1,696
What expert ? Fedor is just folklore and marketing for them.
Any serious "expert" knows he's irrelevant in modern MMA.
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2013
- Messages
- 43,899
- Reaction score
- 67,624
so salty.
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2021
- Messages
- 3,029
- Reaction score
- 1,696
Lol it's not especially against Fedor : to me almost all the fighters that fought in Japan were overrated.
It includes Mirko, Nogueira, etc.
They were great as pioners and still have more than a decent career for that.
But when fanboys try to compare them to modern MMA fighters, it's just a big NO.
But once again, he lost by KO in the first round against a MW grandpa, so no need to continue such a wasteful discussion
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2013
- Messages
- 43,899
- Reaction score
- 67,624
yeah, like anybody's going to take your opinion seriously and not that of people like Khabib or GSP.Lol it's not especially against Fedor : to me almost all the fighters that fought in Japan were overrated.
It includes Mirko, Nogueira, etc.
They were great as pioners and still have more than a decent career for that.
But when fanboys try to compare them to modern MMA fighters, it's just a big NO.
But once again, he lost by KO in the first round against a MW grandpa, so no need to continue such a wasteful discussion
- Joined
- Apr 10, 2022
- Messages
- 2,254
- Reaction score
- 3,914
Every single fighter in the history of the sports.
All the greats, legends.
All the current elite.
All of them respect Fedor.
Do you know more than the greatest minds in the history of the sport?
Just look at the cage when Fedor retired. How many legends of the game shaped up just to pay their respects.
The human body and mind only has a few years of performing at its absolute peak. Especially in combat sports.
You can't think about age in such a linear context.
Hendo was 40 and yes, he was absolutely on TRT at that time. It was very well known.
In spite of his age, I believe this was actually the peak of Hendos career. He beat Shogun who'd just lost the title to Jones and then went on to fight two extremely close decisions against a prime Rashad Evans and Machida.
So your whole idea of him being this old man is ridiculous. It's disrespectful to Hendo. Because he was competing against the best fighters on the planet at that time.
Fedor had definitely seen his best years by that point. Even before his first loss, his own team basically said he stopped growing and relied on his "old tricks"
The best Fedor was when he transitioned seamlessly between his arts. Boxing to kicks, knees, judo and sambo into grappling on the ground.
By that time, he simply wasn't that guy anymore. He became a head hunter and relied a lot more on his power than diverse repertoire which we seen during his prime.
But yeah, your logic is incredibly flawed. Fighters all age and peak differently. Rory was out of his prime by 29. Hendo fought into his 40's. Couture won the HW title in his 40's. Bernard Hopkins won a title in his 40's. It's never a linear thing.
BJ Penn is also one of the greatest fighters of all time during his peak, but do we judge him by his horrible streak of losses after he lost to fitch?.
No
You have to judge fighters by their absolute best years if you want an accurate assessment of them. It's that simple.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Apr 10, 2022
- Messages
- 2,254
- Reaction score
- 3,914
Lol it's not especially against Fedor : to me almost all the fighters that fought in Japan were overrated.
It includes Mirko, Nogueira, etc.
They were great as pioners and still have more than a decent career for that.
But when fanboys try to compare them to modern MMA fighters, it's just a big NO.
But once again, he lost by KO in the first round against a MW grandpa, so no need to continue such a wasteful discussion
Have you looked at the current top 10 at HW and LHW?Lol it's not especially against Fedor : to me almost all the fighters that fought in Japan were overrated.
It includes Mirko, Nogueira, etc.
They were great as pioners and still have more than a decent career for that.
But when fanboys try to compare them to modern MMA fighters, it's just a big NO.
But once again, he lost by KO in the first round against a MW grandpa, so no need to continue such a wasteful discussion
Things haven't evolved as much as you seem to think.. lol
There's a few outliers. Jon Jones, DC. Peak Cain. I think there's definitely a few guys who would've beaten peak Fedor.
But, without question, the man's overall skillset and mind set is much better than you seem to think.
I doubt you even practice martial arts yourself. And if that's the case, what business do you have speaking like this?
The fact that so many fighters have tremendous respect for Fedor should speak volumes.
Do you know better than the brightest minds and best fighters? You seem to think you do.
