Khabibs top 15 GOAT list

[Yellowcrab]

Im glad you acknowledge that being 40yrs old is a bad thing in sports combat. That invalidates half of Stipe's wins. Congrats.

Stipe is still better than Fedor in about any metric :

- Fought under USADA
- Fought much better competition
- Would have never lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round

 

[SalvadorAllende]

There are over 20 fighters there lol

 

[CPH]

Excluding the ones who have popped for steroids, it's actually a very good list.

There are quite a few on there that I am sure were juicing, even if only a couple got busted.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I never understood the obsession with Volk, he's a great fighter, nullifies his opponents strengths which leads to point scoring, decisions and boring contests, and his title reign is basically Max Holloway 3xtimes, Ortega and Korean Zombie.

Finishes don’t define a good fighter

 

[ovinaso]

Finishes don’t define a good fighter

I was pointing towards the strength of schedule
People often mention Usman fighting Masvidal, Colby twice
But Volk seems to get a pass, Max Holloway and Ortega that's basically it

 

[OneOfOne]

Stipe is still better than Fedor in about any metric :

- Fought under USADA
- Fought much better competition
- Would have never lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round

Im not seeing it

-Fought unjuiced opponents
-Fought old competition
-Lost to Stefan Struve
-Never beat a good HW in their prime

 

[Yellowcrab]

Im not seeing it

-Fought unjuiced opponents
-Fought old competition
-Lost to Stefan Struve
-Never beat a good HW in their prime

Would have never lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round, as any decent modern HW.

Case closed.

 

[Sad Dad]

Actually a really good list.

 

[OneOfOne]

Would have never lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round, as any decent modern HW.

Case closed.

No decent HW would lose to Stefan Struve.

Case slammed shut.

 

[Yellowcrab]

No decent HW would lose to Stefan Struve.

Case slammed shut.

Several great fighters have losses against fighters from their own weight class.

However, not a single good fighter (not even a so-called GOAT) lost in those conditions (no matter the fighting sport) :

- Against a much older fighter (and i mean past prime at the same time*)
- A much older fighter coming from a lower weight class
- By KO in the first round

Name me a single good fighter that ever lost in those conditions ? You won't because this fighter doesn't exist.

You should have stopped this discussion way sooner

 

[OneOfOne]

Several great fighters have losses against fighters from their own weight class.

However, not a single good fighter (not even a so-called GOAT) lost in those conditions (no matter the fighting sport) :

- Against a much older fighter
- A much older fighter coming from a lower weight class
- By KO in the first round

Name me a single good fighter that ever lost in those conditions ? You won't because this fighter doesn't exist.

You should have stopped this discussion way sooner

I can name several all time great fighters that lost to Hendo. Name one good fighter who lost to Stefan Struve in their prime.

Go ahead Ill wait...

 

[Yellowcrab]

I can name several all time great fighters that lost to Hendo. Name one good fighter who lost to Stefan Struve in their prime.

Go ahead Ill wait...

You failed to answer to my previous question.

Time to ignore you

 

[OneOfOne]

You failed to answer to my previous question.

Time to ignore you

Lmao. You can ignore me but you ignore facts.

Concession accepted

 

[RockyLockridge]

I was pointing towards the strength of schedule
People often mention Usman fighting Masvidal, Colby twice
But Volk seems to get a pass, Max Holloway and Ortega that's basically it

uh, he also fought aldo and mendes went toe to toe with the LW champion and won in some peoples eyes, also zombie.

I think you're seeing something that's not there with the statement that. No one discredits usman for fighting the same people, it's really that masvidal is a very low quality title defense and he has it 2/5. People on this board shit on colby constantly saying pretty much everyone (burns, belal, khamzat ect)

Max is a generational talent and one of the best fighters to ever fight in the octogon he must have over 6 or 7 top 5 wins.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Hendo...lmao.

What's funny.

UFC tournament champ
Rings tournament champ
Pride WW GP champ
1st double Champ
Pride WW champ
Pride MW Champ
SF LHW champ
Holds wins over the 2 best HWs.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Cejudo and DC over Aldo is craaaaazy

Wrestler bias

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

No, Nog is definitely ahead of CroCop. I have him above Couture at HW, but Couture is higher p4p. It’s a toss up with Cain.

Nog and Werdum are above BJ and Royce, somewhere around Cruz, but behind Cejudo

How is he higher p4p?

 

[ovinaso]

uh, he also fought aldo and mendes went toe to toe with the LW champion and won in some peoples eyes, also zombie.

I think you're seeing something that's not there with the statement that. No one discredits usman for fighting the same people, it's really that masvidal is a very low quality title defense and he has it 2/5. People on this board shit on colby constantly saying pretty much everyone (burns, belal, khamzat ect)

Max is a generational talent and one of the best fighters to ever fight in the octogon he must have over 6 or 7 top 5 wins.

As far as title defenses go,

Having 2 contests with Max which could've gone either way to have to fight him a 3rd time, deducts points from how dominant his title reign is, regardless of how great Max is in his own right, but his title reign is basically Max and Ortega, Zombie was a late replacement for Max on the back of winning 1 and losing 1, so my point is, his title reign isn't as impressive as people make it out to be and he isn't this dominant once in a generation fighter like some like to believe, Aldo's title reign at featherweight is superior, so excluding volk from this list at the expense of Aldo, is fair.

 

[RockyLockridge]

As far as title defenses go,

Having 2 contests with Max which could've gone either way to have to fight him a 3rd time, deducts points from how dominant his title reign is, regardless of how great Max is in his own right, but his title reign is basically Max and Ortega, Zombie was a late replacement for Max on the back of winning 1 and losing 1, so my point is, his title reign isn't as impressive as people make it out to be and he isn't this dominant once in a generation fighter like some like to believe, Aldo's title reign at featherweight is superior, so excluding volk from this list at the expense of Aldo, is fair.

Not sure if you're being serious with that gone either way remark. They've fought for a full 15 rounds and Alex won 13 of those rounds.

His title reign is significantly more impressive than Usman. Max's title reign was also really impresive as was his 9 fight run to the title before beating aldo twice.

Max Holloway x3 is a monumentally good win. After max lost the immediate rematch (after getting 50-45, 49-46 whatever you want to call it) in the first fight) He went on to beat two more top 5 guys in katter and Yair before he got another shot. Then max got absolutely obliterated over the course of 25 mins. Max is a WAY better win than colby is. And usmans fights with colby were both very close. Second fight close enough to be a draw, Masvidal Is the definition of a flash in the pan, only got a title shot because of a late replacement, followed by an immediate rematch he didn't deserve. You also seem to like to ignore the fact that Aldo lost to volknovski badly. no he may not have been in his prime but he was still winning fights at FW at that time. Volk is gaining on Aldo Very Quickly, Yair is a great young Challenger and if volk beats him that's a huge step forward.

Max x3
Zombie
Ortega

is much better than

Colby x2
Masvidal x2
Burns

I personally see no way to compare them.

 

[snaportap21]

How do you know what GSP did or didn't do? The fact is none of us do. Cannot compare USADA fighters to non-USADA ones.

Bro, did you look at his delts? The traps and delts never lie. Let’s not be naive now.