Khabibs top 15 GOAT list

[Fight Professor]

It is not a bad list overall but there are some strange choices. There is no way Cejudo is above MM. Stipe should much higher than CroCop. Werdum and JDS (despite the Cain losses) are above Cain.

 

[markg171]

Conor has better ground game than Olympic wrestling gold medalist Henry Cejudo?

Reading is hard for you.

No wonder you like this list.

 

[markg171]

It is not a bad list overall but there are some strange choices. There is no way Cejudo is above MM. Stipe should much higher than CroCop. Werdum and JDS (despite the Cain losses) are above Cain.

Even if Cejudo beats Sterling and regains the 135lb title again it would be absurd.

It's like 13 title wins (let alone his ONE title wins) vs 5 title wins if Cejudo wins. And they're tied 1-1 where MM had a KO vs Cejudo won a competitive decision that could've gone the other way.

Literally all Cejudo has over MM is the 135lbs title, which yes MM failed to win back in WEC days and against Cruz who Cejudo has beat... but again he has now won one over in ONE.

The math just doesn't add up to ever put Cejudo ahead of MM right now, and it'd take many defences to overcome their gap.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Gotta take out roiders from number 1 and 3.

1) Fedor
2) GSP

Then rest in whatever order.

But I love Shogun and Crocop love. A bit odd not having Big Nog somewhere though with that logic.

Yawn. Pride over everything else (except GSP)...and all guys from your generation. You know what...ALL those guys juiced too!!!

 

[No Skill Gap]

Fedor continues to be mega overrated. Makes sense though, Russian bias there. And I like Fedor but come on bro, fuck off he ain't 1.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Excluding the ones who have popped for steroids, it's actually a very good list.

If the ones listed who fought before USADA actually fought under them...they'd pop too.

 

[Fioretti]

Pretty shitty list.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Anderson Silva has always fought midgets smaller than him just like Jones did, you are not called the GOAT for fighting opponents smaller than you, but you are called the GOAT for fighting opponents bigger than you just like Fedor did most of his career. Fabricated fake "GOATs" by the UFC. Despite already fighting midgets and the likes of Travis Lutter, Patrick Coté, Thales Leites etc, such "great" fighters LoL... and hiding himself in a inferior weight class than his real weight class, he still wanted to tuck and handpick opponents most of the time in UFC, what is a joke. Same thing applies for Jones, half of his title defenses is against middleweights or fighters much smaller in height or reach than him LoL and he has also run from AJ in AJ's prime and also he was busted several times in the antidoping, completely fabricated "GOAT" by the UFC.

I really hate to do this but I'm going to Sherdog "logic" this. You act like fedor didn't fight cans...in fact, by my count, 8 of his pride fights were cans and a few more are fighters who were not that good in bigger organizations (out of only 15-16 or so total fights). You forget Silva laid out a much bigger Griffin and made him look like he didn't even belong in a cage. He also thoroughly outclassed Belfort who fought many times at 205. He beat Bonnar and Irvin at LHW as well...not the best competition but still. You act like he purposely sought out smaller guys.

Fedor also lost to smaller Dan Henderson. Which smaller fighters did Silva lose to???

 

[No Skill Gap]

Even if Cejudo beats Sterling and regains the 135lb title again it would be absurd.

It's like 13 title wins (let alone his ONE title wins) vs 5 title wins if Cejudo wins. And they're tied 1-1 where MM had a KO vs Cejudo won a competitive decision that could've gone the other way.

Literally all Cejudo has over MM is the 135lbs title, which yes MM failed to win back in WEC days and against Cruz who Cejudo has beat... but again he has now won one over in ONE.

The math just doesn't add up to ever put Cejudo ahead of MM right now, and it'd take many defences to overcome their gap.

Why would it be absurd? Mighty Mouse was an exciting fighter but what was his quality of competition exactly? Pretty dogshit.

Cejudo is 1-1 against him, they split. Sure you can argue Johnson could have or should have won that decision, but he lost. He also lost to some random in One, he also lost to Cruz, and he drew with McCall (I recall that Ian McCall should have won that fight too right? Some error in points?)

Where as Cejudo has lost to Mighty Mouse, beat him whether you want to qualify it or deny it, and lost a split decision to Benavidez after losing a point (I'd have to rewatch but rarely do refs ever take points so he might have gotten fucked over).

Why would it be absurd? "Title wins"? Cool at FLW the shittiest men's division there is, the easiest division there is to defend a belt. He defended the belt against the likes of: Moraga, Bagutinov, Caraiso, Horiguchi, Ray Borg, Reis, and Tim Elliot.

His "ONE" wins? Really...? Against Japanese MMA fighters mostly who wouldn't even rank top 10 in the UFC? And Moraes who might be decently good but is what exactly against real, top flight competition? Will Brooks?

Time and time again fans overrate the balls of fighters who fight cans and lower end comp. I say this as a fan of Demetrious Johnson, and Fedor for example, I respect their legacies, but they are massively overrated. Honestly, Cejudo's higher end body of work is better than Johnson's. You can argue that easily with wins over - Cruz at 135, Dillashaw champ-champ, Moraes (prime) 135, Johnson himself for FLW title at 125.

The only blemish on Cejudo's record is the loss to Benavidez never being avenged, but obviously he would have dusted him in recent years. Losing to Johnson has no shame. I'm not saying Cejudo should be higher because he shouldn't, but to say if Cejudo beats Sterling he's "not even close" what the fuck? Really?

Name Demetrious Johnson's top 5 wins. Again, some fans tend to overrate longevity and title defenses while ignoring the context of who those wins were against. Fedor beating up retards in Pride like Ho-man Choi and Zulu and shit, or Johnson beating up some journeymen JMMA guys and Borg/Caraiso/Elliot, having wars with McCall and getting gifted a win.

Long post that's rambling but...that's another thing. All these GOATs have psuedo-losses and asterisks too. GSP lost to Serra, psuedo loss arguable loss to Hendricks. Jones probably lost to Reyes. Khabib probably lost to Tibau. Johnson probably lost to McCall, arguably to Cejudo, then did to Adriano Moraes. Stick around and you'll lose - Aldo, Silva, Fedor, Penn, Cruz.

TLDR - I think Demetrious Johnson is an all-time great but at the same time his legacy/resume' is very overrated at this point.

 

[No Skill Gap]

It's an objectively horrible list.

Completely unsurprising that the Khabib fans love it though.

Yeah it's pretty bad. Khabib showing zero intellectual integrity here and tons of bias, but hey it's his list. The first 4, or really 5, aren't bad though. Just not the order I'd put them in. I'm a huge GSP fan, but at this point I think you really have to say:

1. Jon Jones
2. GSP

Then it becomes extremely subjective or you have to create some criteria that is most likely shitty and subjective itself. As I said in a longer post, are you going by title defenses, longevity? And then most people who do that ignore quality of comp, context. I'd even cheat like I would with the NBA and say 1A/1B with GSP/Jones like Jordan/LeBron. Either way...Khabib putting DC at 5 and Usman at 8 is comical. And I'd personally put DC higher than many others because I value double champ and top flight accomplishments more than defending against a few bums to pad.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Yeah it's pretty bad. Khabib showing zero intellectual integrity here and tons of bias, but hey it's his list. The first 4, or really 5, aren't bad though. Just not the order I'd put them in. I'm a huge GSP fan, but at this point I think you really have to say:

1. Jon Jones
2. GSP

Then it becomes extremely subjective or you have to create some criteria that is most likely shitty and subjective itself. As I said in a longer post, are you going by title defenses, longevity? And then most people who do that ignore quality of comp, context. I'd even cheat like I would with the NBA and say 1A/1B with GSP/Jones like Jordan/LeBron. Either way...Khabib putting DC at 5 and Usman at 8 is comical. And I'd personally put DC higher than many others because I value double champ and top flight accomplishments more than defending against a few bums to pad.

Where would you put Usman?

 

[Dan O'Burke]

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C’mon fam, use your head. Also, Fedor was a Russian athlete in an organization that explicitly said they don’t test for steroids. Think about that.

How do you know what GSP did or didn't do? The fact is none of us do. Cannot compare USADA fighters to non-USADA ones.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

We need to find the thread where several posters were talking shit about Fedor
and down playing his accomplishments.

Here is a former top fighter once again placing Fedor at the top.

A Russian fighter putting a fellow Russian fighter at the top...shocker!!!

 

[mkt]

Royce doesn't belong on there. He had trained BJJ since he was a toddler and did Gracie Challenge type fights for years before the UFC. Then he leaves the UFC after only a 13-month win streak...as others begin to figure him out. After that he never did anything significant.

I'd put Frank Shamrock ahead of Royce. He defended his belt like 4 times and beat a much larger Tito who likely would've squashed Royce. Frank won in an era where everyone was at least starting to cross-train and knew what a triangle choke was.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

Fedor fought in Pride and GSP got out before USADA arrived.

Draw your own conclusions.

This so much, fighting in an organization that doesn't test, obviously never test positive duhh.
Guy leaving sport in his prime with the anavar delts before USADA came in, after he asks for stricter testing.

But I get it Jones is a Pos, but he also the GOAT

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Fedor haters in shambles LMAO

 

[Prologue]

Ali's GOAT list confirmed.

 

[SBC]

Can't lie he's got a pretty solid list of fighters there. I'm loath to put Cejudo so high though just on account of the fact that he had such a short career. Penn is a weird one too. He doesn't have the record to back up all this GOAT status but it is true that he has a legendary skill set and was a very influential fighter. Heck, I think I just reasoned to myself why Penn should be on the list. I always find it pretty cool how much respect Khabib gives to Edgar and it is nice to see him give a space to Cruz too. Cruz is someone who has grown on me the more I've taken a look at his skill set and what he achieved. His fight with DJ was good and is extremely underrated as it was extremely entertaining and was for a title. Glad Couture is on there, but you would figure that.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

This so much, fighting in an organization that doesn't test, obviously never test positive duhh.
Guy leaving sport in his prime with the anavar delts before USADA came in, after he asks for stricter testing.

But I get it Jones is a Pos, but he also the GOAT

The stricter testing he wanted...VADA...had ties to GSP I believe, so he was trying to put himself in a morally superior position knowing he had the right connections...he has a future in politics.

 

[markg171]

Why would it be absurd? Mighty Mouse was an exciting fighter but what was his quality of competition exactly? Pretty dogshit.

Cejudo is 1-1 against him, they split. Sure you can argue Johnson could have or should have won that decision, but he lost. He also lost to some random in One, he also lost to Cruz, and he drew with McCall (I recall that Ian McCall should have won that fight too right? Some error in points?)

Where as Cejudo has lost to Mighty Mouse, beat him whether you want to qualify it or deny it, and lost a split decision to Benavidez after losing a point (I'd have to rewatch but rarely do refs ever take points so he might have gotten fucked over).

Why would it be absurd? "Title wins"? Cool at FLW the shittiest men's division there is, the easiest division there is to defend a belt. He defended the belt against the likes of: Moraga, Bagutinov, Caraiso, Horiguchi, Ray Borg, Reis, and Tim Elliot.

His "ONE" wins? Really...? Against Japanese MMA fighters mostly who wouldn't even rank top 10 in the UFC? And Moraes who might be decently good but is what exactly against real, top flight competition? Will Brooks?

Time and time again fans overrate the balls of fighters who fight cans and lower end comp. I say this as a fan of Demetrious Johnson, and Fedor for example, I respect their legacies, but they are massively overrated. Honestly, Cejudo's higher end body of work is better than Johnson's. You can argue that easily with wins over - Cruz at 135, Dillashaw champ-champ, Moraes (prime) 135, Johnson himself for FLW title at 125.

The only blemish on Cejudo's record is the loss to Benavidez never being avenged, but obviously he would have dusted him in recent years. Losing to Johnson has no shame. I'm not saying Cejudo should be higher because he shouldn't, but to say if Cejudo beats Sterling he's "not even close" what the fuck? Really?

Name Demetrious Johnson's top 5 wins. Again, some fans tend to overrate longevity and title defenses while ignoring the context of who those wins were against. Fedor beating up retards in Pride like Ho-man Choi and Zulu and shit, or Johnson beating up some journeymen JMMA guys and Borg/Caraiso/Elliot, having wars with McCall and getting gifted a win.

Long post that's rambling but...that's another thing. All these GOATs have psuedo-losses and asterisks too. GSP lost to Serra, psuedo loss arguable loss to Hendricks. Jones probably lost to Reyes. Khabib probably lost to Tibau. Johnson probably lost to McCall, arguably to Cejudo, then did to Adriano Moraes. Stick around and you'll lose - Aldo, Silva, Fedor, Penn, Cruz.

TLDR - I think Demetrious Johnson is an all-time great but at the same time his legacy/resume' is very overrated at this point.

FLW is so easy that MM has more title wins there than Cejudo even has FLW fights. Let alone trying to compare their defence records of 11 vs 1. Whether Cejudo could've perhaps done the same doesn't mean he actually did like MM did.

It's absurd to put them close to one another at this point. If Cejudo beats Sterling and manages another defence at BW, sure let's start talking about whether or not he's somewhere in the top 6 of all-time like MM absolutely is.