Khabib's father about Jon Jones

[Luffy]

Dude you're absolutely full of shit. I posted the opening line already. It's from BFO that tracks ALL the books. Here it is again:

https://www.bestfightodds.com/fighters/Jon-Jones-819

It SHOWS the opening line for Jones/Aspinall. "Check for yourself" LMAO? I'm literally showing you that you're completely wrong. Is this where you admit you make shit up? Or do you keep digging?

Search again. Try harder. If not, I'll show you. One more chance or I'll just checkmate in the next post anyway, since I have the source already

 

[shunyata]

Imagine the pairing Jones + Abdulmanap (+ Greg).

Jones is already the best in-fighter of all time and Abdulmanap is a cage wrestling wizard.

Prime Jones with added sambo skills would look even more unstoppable.

If Jon had gone down that AKA to Dagestan pipeline holy shit man.

Imagine Jon training in Dagestan during his prime, no women, no drugs, just wrestlefucking everyone into bone breaking gnp even worse.

Some of those standup point fights could have gone much differently.

 

[mkess101]

Search again. Try harder. If not, I'll show you. One more chance or I'll just checkmate in the next post anyway, since I have the source already

I'm literally posting a recognized site that posts the opening lines for every major book. By all means, post your "source". I cannot wait.

 

[mkess101]

Search again. Try harder. If not, I'll show you. One more chance or I'll just checkmate in the next post anyway, since I have the source already

So ahh...?

 

[BowserJr]

Fedor fought in an org known for fixing fights. How much of his legacy is legit is in question. We do know that once he started fighting in Strikeforce he got finished in 3 straight fights all before he was 35 years old.

Sorry but his destruction of Tim and AA both of whom played hot potato with the UFC belt as the 2 best HW of the time makes questioning his Pride run silly at best.

Even in his shopworn she'll of his former self he destroyed the other top UFC HW Frank Mir.

He was also relatively unknown when he tore through the Pride HW division to the belt so there was no incentive for Pride to favor him especially when you consider that Nog was their prized HW when Fedor fought him.

Can you name even 1 undefeated fighter that has at least 33 fights, while facing top competition throughout and did it in less than 10 years?

Less than 15 years?

Can you name 1 fighter who is undefeated with 33 fights while facing the same number of top 10s or legends, regardless of the time frame?

 

[BowserJr]

At the end of the year there needs to be a worst poster of the year category to vote on. Whoever wins gets banned.

1. Orca
2. Luffy
3. Icemun

 

[Aurelian]

Sorry but his destruction of Tim and AA both of whom played hot potato with the UFC belt as the 2 best HW of the time makes questioning his Pride run silly at best.

Even in his shopworn she'll of his former self he destroyed the other top UFC HW Frank Mir.

He was also relatively unknown when he tore through the Pride HW division to the belt so there was no incentive for Pride to favor him especially when you consider that Nog was their prized HW when Fedor fought him.

Can you name even 1 undefeated fighter that has at least 33 fights, while facing top competition throughout and did it in less than 10 years?

Less than 15 years?

Can you name 1 fighter who is undefeated with 33 fights while facing the same number of top 10s or legends, regardless of the time frame?

I'm not saying Fedor wasn't good. I'm saying he fought in an org a majority of his career that's known for fixing fights. It's very much questionable if any of his fights were fixed and we wouldn't know the reasons why. Like Anderson's fight with Ryo where he got subbed and tapped almost instantly that shit looked rigged. Same Anderson who came to UFC a little while later and won 16 straight fights.

But to sort of answer your question though it doesn't quite meet the criteria Jose Aldo went 25-1 in 10 years with 10 title wins.

 

[BowserJr]

I'm not saying Fedor wasn't good. I'm saying he fought in an org a majority of his career that's known for fixing fights. It's very much questionable if any of his fights were fixed and we wouldn't know the reasons why. Like Anderson's fight with Ryo where he got subbed and tapped almost instantly that shit looked rigged. Same Anderson who came to UFC a little while later and won 16 straight fights.

But to sort of answer your question though it doesn't quite meet the criteria Jose Aldo went 25-1 in 10 years with 10 title wins.

I used to think the Ryo v Silva fight was a work but it doesn't make sense to choreograph a fight for that long. That would more difficult than choreographer the sub itself. Also it later was revealed that Silva was thinking about quitting mma after that fight.

The only proof of pride fixing fights is to do so in favor of Japanese fighters. Fedor isn't Japanese, he has the personality of a cucumber and Brazilian mma was way bigger compared to Russia. Literally way more ince time to fix fights against Fedor.

And you proved my point about a 33 fight undefeated fighter.

Fedor stands alone there. For some reason, 30 or so fights seems to be the limit for staying undefeated regardless of age. As you pointed out getting to 25 wins in a decade while facing top comp is extremely difficult.

Over a much longer period of time it's more and more possible.

In MMA it's more about the number of fights/training camps than age. At least until a fighter reaches 40. Only then is age the bigger factor

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Jones doesn't need to do anything else to establish how great he was. The Jones that ruined a mostly-in-his-prime Shogun might be the best performance I've ever seen all around.

He doesn’t look like that anymore, or even a similar version. It's utterly bizarre to me that people don't want to admit it. The Jones that we saw vs Stipe isn't beating Aspinall. Now, maybe Jon knew he didn't need to be peak and will look much better if he accepts a fight with Tom. He'd better be if he wants to give himself a chance.

It says a lot about how good Jones is that he can show up and look slow and sluggish with a beer gut and beat most HW's when he has been a LHW his whole career. But that's not happening vs Aspinall. Jones will need to channel some 2011 Jones with added bulk to beat Aspinall.

Jones could have been in the middle of a bender prior to fighting old man stipe and still won.

 

[orca]

Sorry but his destruction of Tim and AA both of whom played hot potato with the UFC belt as the 2 best HW of the time makes questioning his Pride run silly at best.

Even in his shopworn she'll of his former self he destroyed the other top UFC HW Frank Mir.

He was also relatively unknown when he tore through the Pride HW division to the belt so there was no incentive for Pride to favor him especially when you consider that Nog was their prized HW when Fedor fought him.

Can you name even 1 undefeated fighter that has at least 33 fights, while facing top competition throughout and did it in less than 10 years?

Less than 15 years?

Can you name 1 fighter who is undefeated with 33 fights while facing the same number of top 10s or legends, regardless of the time frame?

bro you literaly wanted me to post fedors resume vs jones?
are you serious you think 17 title wins against the best of the best
3 generations of fighters is a lesser accomplishment than fedor?

this is fedors resume do you really wanted me to post jones?
basicaly japanese pro wrestlers best win is nog and cro cop?
i mean dc alone would kill nog and cro cop
you are blinded by hate.you can no longer think clearly lol

 

[Mask Of Winters]

At the end of the year there needs to be a worst poster of the year category to vote on. Whoever wins gets banned.

There's just one flaw in your idea. FAR too many candidates to narrow it down to just one.

 

[icemun]

except i never said Jon HAD to do that. GSP's MW run and Jon Jones HW run aren't the same. GSP didn't try to hold the division hostage for years, GSP didn't try to say the #1 contender at MW didn't deserve to fight him, GSP didn't try to handpick an ancient MW who hadn't fought for years to defend his title against. GSP won the title, and then dropped it.

he definitely does not have the hardest resume at HW. what he did at LHW, what does that matter in this conversation? you say he has no memes of him getting KO'd or strangled, but his career isn't over and those things could definitely happen to him if he fought Aspinall. there's also TONS of memes of him being a drug addict and a steroid addict. when LeBron James memes about you ducking Aspinall, you really hit the big time with your bullshitery.

i don't know why you defend a guy who actively kills the sport you're supposed to be a fan of. but i guess you love Jon Jones more than you love watching fighting. you rather watch him sit on his ass then actually do something.

Hows he "killing " the sport?
Killing the sport???

Hes fought the #1 and #2 HW beating them handily


Is it because hes not fighting who YOU and and in what time frame YOU want him to fight in?

 

[icemun]

bro you literaly wanted me to post fedors resume vs jones?
are you serious you think 17 title wins against the best of the best
3 generations of fighters is a lesser accomplishment than fedor?

this is fedors resume do you really wanted me to post jones?
basicaly japanese pro wrestlers best win is nog and cro cop?
i mean dc alone would kill nog and cro copView attachment 1093342
you are blinded by hate.you can no longer think clearly lol

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

 

[icemun]

well yeah, it's because he's old. but he was never confident in fighting at the HW division. otherwise he wouldn't have said what he said when asked about fighting DC at HW, and he wouldn't have said in 2013 he was going to move up and then wait 10 yrs before he actually did.

100%

Jones was terrified that a 3rd fight with DC (where they were both 10-15 heavier) DC would have
a better outcome the 3rd time inspite of being left unconscious and crying at MSG

3rd time would def be charm!

 

[BowserJr]

bro you literaly wanted me to post fedors resume vs jones?
are you serious you think 17 title wins against the best of the best
3 generations of fighters is a lesser accomplishment than fedor?

this is fedors resume do you really wanted me to post jones?
basicaly japanese pro wrestlers best win is nog and cro cop?
i mean dc alone would kill nog and cro copView attachment 1093342
you are blinded by hate.you can no longer think clearly lol

Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time.

Had fedor retired at 33 fights Jones would barely be entering the GOAT convo now, kinda

Fedor beat 12 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class at the time. This is not counting rematches.

AA
Tim
CC
Nog
Randleman
Coleman
Rizzo
Mir
Babalu
Arona
Schilt
Hunt

Fighters in the top 10 when he fought them. This is 13 wins vs top 10

AA
Tim
Arona
CC
Nogx3
Coleman
Herring
Babalu
Randleman
Rogers
Monson

Jon Jones has beaten top 8 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class not counting rematches

Shogun
Rampage
Lyoto
Gustafson
DC
Stipe
Rashad
Glover

Jon has won vs opponents in the top 10 13 times (in his weightclass)

DC
Shogun
Gusx2
Santos
Reyes
Bader
Rampage
Lyoto
Rashad
Gane
Smith
Glover

Jones currently has 30 fights in 17 years

Fedor had 33 fights in 10 years before he lost

If you want to add in Jones wins over Sonnen and Vitor as big wins then you must also add Fedors win over Lindland

 

[nonoob]

I just think in the scenario Jones wins, how quickly the narrative will shift to "Jones ducked HW when it was filled with the best guys".

2013 - Jon let his fans know...

Hows he "killing " the sport? Killing the sport???

Hes fought the #1 and #2 HW beating them handily

Ain't playin' Jon. You got my dinner cooked ?

 

[volcom5]

Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time.

Hey pathological liar stop lieing. Fedor was bigger than Noguiera, Cro Cop, Arona, Randleman, Coleman, Sobral and these are only the ones off the top my head.

Had fedor retired at 33 fights Jones would barely be entering the GOAT convo now, kinda

Lol, Fedor hasn’t been GOAT since he couldn’t put together a win streak in the USA, only in Japan where the competition is easier and no drug testing.

Fedor beat 12 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class at the time. This is not counting rematches.

AA
Tim
CC
Nog
Randleman
Coleman
Rizzo
Mir
Babalu
Arona
Schilt
Hunt

Rizzo and Mir both were practically retired and hadn’t fought for 2years, Ricardo Arona previous bout prior to Fedor wasnt even at HW, he was not active at HW at the time, he never fought at HW again.

Fighters in the top 10 when he fought them. This is 13 wins vs top 10

AA
Tim
Arona
CC
Nogx3
Coleman
Herring
Babalu
Randleman
Rogers
Monson

He didn’t beat Noguiera 3x, he best him twice, but the double standard is real with you, Jeff Monson wasnt even top 10 when Fedor fought him. So that makes Eleven wins to your false 13.

Jon Jones has beaten top 8 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class not counting rematches

Shogun
Rampage
Lyoto
Gustafson
DC
Stipe
Rashad
Glover

Bader,Shogun, Jackson, Machida, Gustafson, Cormier, Miocic, Evans, Texiera, Sonnen(he never fought below 205) again after Jones, Vitor(if you’re going to put Arona for Fedor, then you shouldn’t mind Vitor) and why not Anthony Smith also, his run towards the title shot was great, but I won’t so that makes 11.

Jon has won vs opponents in the top 10 13 times (in his weightclass)

DC
Shogun
Gusx2
Santos
Reyes
Bader
Rampage
Lyoto
Rashad
Gane
Smith
Glover

Bader, Shogun, Jackson,Machida, Evans, Cormierx2(it should be fine with you since Fedor beat 3x) Gustsafsonx2, Glover,Smith, Santos, Reyes, Gane, Miocic(if Rizzo and Mir were considered active, then why not Miocic)That’s 15.

Jones currently has 30 fights in 17 years

Fedor had 33 fights in 10 years before he lost

Strength of competition matters, Fedor fought a few fighters who were debuting in MMA & a handful of “not so great fighters”

If you want to add in Jones wins over Sonnen and Vitor as big wins then you must also add Fedors win over Lindland

Go ahead, add it, your double standard is a little ridiculous anyways.

 

[BowserJr]

Hey pathological liar stop lieing. Fedor was bigger than Noguiera, Cro Cop, Arona, Randleman, Coleman, Sobral and these are only the ones off the top my head.

Lol, Fedor hasn’t been GOAT since he couldn’t put together a win streak in the USA, only in Japan where the competition is easier and no drug testing.

Rizzo and Mir both were practically retired and hadn’t fought for 2years, Ricardo Arona previous bout prior to Fedor wasnt even at HW, he was not active at HW at the time, he never fought at HW again.

He didn’t beat Noguiera 3x, he best him twice, but the double standard is real with you, Jeff Monson wasnt even top 10 when Fedor fought him. So that makes Eleven wins to your false 13.

Bader,Shogun, Jackson, Machida, Gustafson, Cormier, Miocic, Evans, Texiera, Sonnen(he never fought below 205) again after Jones, Vitor(if you’re going to put Arona for Fedor, then you shouldn’t mind Vitor) and why not Anthony Smith also, his run towards the title shot was great, but I won’t so that makes 11.

Bader, Shogun, Jackson,Machida, Evans, Cormierx2(it should be fine with you since Fedor beat 3x) Gustsafsonx2, Glover,Smith, Santos, Reyes, Gane, Miocic(if Rizzo and Mir were considered active, then why not Miocic)That’s 15.

Strength of competition matters, Fedor fought a few fighters who were debuting in MMA & a handful of “not so great fighters”

Go ahead, add it, your double standard is a little ridiculous anyways.

You're digging through old posts from months and years ago AGAIN

And AGAIN your still wrong.

You're a glutton for punishment, friend

 

[volcom5]

You're digging through old posts from months and years ago AGAIN

And AGAIN your still wrong.

You're a glutton for punishment, friend

Nope, you’re full of shit. Pussy. all you can do deflect and run away. There’s tons more,
i got you covered baby.

 

[volcom5]

Sorry but his destruction of Tim and AA both of whom played hot potato with the UFC belt as the 2 best HW of the time makes questioning his Pride run silly at best.

Except they weren’t the best HW’s at the time. Couture, Lesnars, Mirs, Gonzaga’s. The HW’s that beat Fedors peers.

Even in his shopworn she'll of his former self he destroyed the other top UFC HW Frank Mir.

Fedor beat a broken Frank Mir who hadn’t fought in a few years. A in prime Frank Mir would’ve took home Fedors limbs, easily.

He was also relatively unknown when he tore through the Pride HW division to the belt so there was no incentive for Pride to favor him especially when you consider that Nog was their prized HW when Fedor fought him.

Fedor fought 2 fighters who were out of their primes both Schilt 35+ and Herring were 27+ fights in their careers & Noguiera 20+ fights in their careers, to Fedors 12 fights in his prime!, i don’t care what you say, 20 plus training camps and you’re not in your prime anymore.

Can you name even 1 undefeated fighter that has at least 33 fights, while facing top competition throughout and did it in less than 10 years?

Lol, 50% of his competition were cans & could’ve been faked bouts, as he was in PrideFC which did do fake bouts.

Less than 15 years?

Can you name 1 fighter who is undefeated with 33 fights while facing the same number of top 10s or legends, regardless of the time frame?

33 fights, and his best wins were Noguiera, Crocop, Sylvia and Arlovski. Being undefeated means shit when your competition isnt elite. Merab beat Moraes, Aldo, Yan, Cejudo, O’malley, Nurmagomedov & O’Malley again. 5 former Champions, 4 in his weight class, 1 former Champion above and arguably GOAT of that weight class and a elite undefeated fighter. back to back to back. 4 of them in their primes. Only time Fedor ever fought back to back Champions in his weight class were Arlovski & Sylvia at their best.

Fedors career has been surpassed by countless fighters & champions in less fights, being undefeated is the only thing Fedor has going for him, but then again the lack of consistent S class competition is a big reason that is.