Media Khabib think Gaethje dont deserve TS.

[SharpasaRazor]

If people could get out of their feelings about it being Khabib who said this they would see that there is truth to it.

Losing a title fight in decisive fashion should take you at least 2 to 3 fights away from another one, even when it's a different champion.

Makachev is on a mad impressive win streak, I'd like to see one more fight against a top 5 guy before he gets handed a title shot. To my mind the perfect thing to do here is get Islam and Justin in there in the first half of 2022 to settle who the number contender is.

 

[kellier]

He's not wrong.. Gaethje is on a 1 fight win streak.

Dariush or Islam should be next

 

[TheWave111]

The same guys who are complaining that Islam should win a top 5 fight are the same guys who refused to fight Islam.
First it was top 15. Then they changed it to top 10. Now they changed it to top 5. Why top 5 and not top 2?
If Islam had won against Chandler and got rocked like Gaethje. They would still talking about how Islam sucks.

 

[TheHitMan]

Doesn't matter what you think, the win streak and rankings do. Sorry.

Actually, it does matter what I think ... if it's ultimately proven true, and especially if that's the way I bet.

In point of fact, it was "the win streak and the rankings" which proved not to mean much in that fight.

Sorry.

 

[TheHitMan]

Tony always was happy to be hit to give back more. It worked pretty well for a period of time. It is easy in hindsight to look at Tony's downfall, just like t-wood. But at the time Justin thought him was elite, he had the record and was ranked highly.

You're wrong there. I predicted Tony's downfall, over and over again, based on how much he struggled with guys like Pettis, Cerrone, and Kevin Lee. Tony was literally panicking on the bottom of Kevin Lee. Only Tony's stamina saved him in that fight, while Lee gasses and gives up after two rounds. Hell, Lee had two life-and-death losses with Iaquinta, and folded every time he realized Al had more willpower than he did.

You're also wrong about Justin. Justin took the fight with Tony on short notice and directly said, "I never considered Tony elite." He also added, "I would never take Khabib on short notice."

People who know what they're looking at don't pay attention to "record and rankings," which can be subjective and pieced together by idiots.

Tony's grit and determination were indeed admirable. In fact, his grit and determination are what kept him winning. However, his chin was suspect, his hands were low, and he rarely had the ability to maintain a top position on the ground. He did have sneaky subs though.

That's okay facing palookas, but is not going to work against elite grapplers or strikers.

I don't see you making the same remarks about islams opponents even thought it would be easy to find his quality of opposition was less than what Tony faced in that 12 fight streak.

You don't see me saying Islam is an all-time great, either.

I am 100% positive Islam's ground game is elite. However, there's a fragility to Islam. As long as he is able to get it to the ground, I'm pretty confident Islam can beat anyone in the division, and that includes Charles Olivera.

However, on the feet, Islam already has proven he doesn't have much of a chin. It makes him an exciting fighter, because he could get beat also, but his chin is going to betray him against certain fighters.

In fact, I think Gaethje has a decent shot at beating Islam, if he can stop the takedowns. Justin is grittier on the feet in the trenches. I would never put Islam on the same level as Khabib, who not only had a way better chin ... but whose pressure and pace were 100x more ferocious.

 

[linvillegorge]

Fair enough, but the people that talk leon down use that as an excuse, Leon lost to usman so whats the point of a title shot, and usman didn't finish leon yet dustin finished Justin.

I don't talk Leon down. He's clearly a top contender. He should absolutely be above Khamzat. It's just that Justin is clearly THE top contender.

 

[Greyscale]

Al Iaquinta and McGregor were even less deserving when Khabib fought them.

 

[IsNormal]

I don’t mind Islam getting a TS first. Islam is on a 9 fight winning streak after all. I think he should be ahead of Justin re the TS. Justin did get finished easily in his title fight and has only won one fight since then.

I see your point. I don't mind it either.
To some extent it's fun to let everyone have their shot.

Buut I think it's wrong in principle to punish someone for losing to a dominant champ - and giving the advantage to guys who never came close to fighting him.
(I mean - imagine having a hockey tournament where you went "Canada beat Russia, Sweden, USA, Finland , Czech republic etc... so none of those teams can play in the final. Lets put some undeefated team that never played against Canada in the final - how about Latvia! They were undefeated in their matches against Denmark, UK, Germany and Italy.
PS: super extreme theoretical and insane example. Not at all saying Islam is the low tier)

But on the other hand - it's boring to have a static top 3 with old title contenders and never giving new fighters a shot. So it's fine.

 

[Coconutwater]

If you really believe this is Khabib you are stupid

I love Khabib, but yeah.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Having 3 fights in 7-8 months and you call him inactive? What you want him to fight every week?

You claim to like Khabib and yet you don't see him deserving the P4P #1 spot at the time? If anything it was a very well deserved one, no active fighter was on par with him at the time.

I don't mind you being a hater, but please don't act like you're some rational person who likes Khabib but differs with him sometimes.

Do you really not know what I’m saying? He wants to sit out until he gets a TS when imo he should be fighting someone else in between then considering Oliveira and Poirier hasn’t even happened.

He probably did even though Usman and Izzy were up there, still lame to beg for it when everyone’s all emotional about your retirement, he wasn’t just given the spot, he had to campaign for it, it’s comparable to them trying to push Islam as FOTY. Even though yeah Khabib at least had an argument for P4P #1 while Islam has 0 argument for FOTY so it’s different in that way.

Lol read through my post history if you want, if I say anything positive I get dudes like you saying I’m a nut hugger, anything negative and I’m a hater. Just make your argument bro, you don’t have to pigeonhole someone as an unreasonable hater.

 

[JKS]

Two top wins huh? He beat prime Poirier, prime Gaethje, and prime RDA (6 months before he won the title). That’s 3 right there, with Conor that’s 4 wins over former belt holders. And for somebody who’s whining about “lack of context” you seem to be leaving a bit of context out of Khabibs career. He literally lost 1 round his entire ufc career in the toughest, and that was a questionable round.

Well, TBH I didn't quite put RDA in there. Up until that point RDA was 9-4 in the UFC with his best win being a decision over Cowboy and Dunham. He was developing his game and didn't quite get there till a year after the Khabib fight. He won the belt 11 months after the Khabib fight, not 6. But I'll say RDA is a top win. Conor was a elite level FW, but at LW, we both know he's not a proven top level LW, he won his belt in a very favorable match up and that's all he did at LW.

He lost 2 rounds BTW.

 

[moosaev]

Well, TBH I didn't quite put RDA in there. Up until that point RDA was 9-4 in the UFC with his best win being a decision over Cowboy and Dunham. He was developing his game and didn't quite get there till a year after the Khabib fight. He won the belt 11 months after the Khabib fight, not 6. But I'll say RDA is a top win. Conor was a elite level FW, but at LW, we both know he's not a proven top level LW, he won his belt in a very favorable match up and that's all he did at LW.

He lost 2 rounds BTW.

RDA was on a 5 fight win streak when they met, then got demolished by Khabib, and then went on another 5 fight win streak lmao. Khabib basically fought a peak RDA and absolutely tooled him.

Also, Khabib technically lost 2 rounds, but one of them is bullshit and the other one is debatable. You can make a valid argument he didn't lose any rounds in his entire UFC career. What other top level fighter can that be said about? Nobody. That why he's the LW GOAT, its not just who he beat, its how badly he beat them. Dude destroyed every elite LW of his era save for Tony.

 

[JKS]

RDA was on a 5 fight win streak when they met, then got demolished by Khabib, and then went on another 5 fight win streak lmao. Khabib basically fought a peak RDA and absolutely tooled him.

Also, Khabib technically lost 2 rounds, but one of them is bullshit and the other one is debatable. You can make a valid argument he didn't lose any rounds in his entire UFC career. What other top level fighter can that be said about? Nobody. That why he's the LW GOAT, its not just who he beat, its how badly he beat them. Dude destroyed every elite LW of his era save for Tony.

Like I said, RDA had a 5 fight win streak, but it wasn't over the best competition and most of them weren't even top fighters aside from Cowboy. RDA went on his peak streak after the Khabib fight when he joined Kings. Either way, sure, top win. I am a huge RDA fan myself. I'll give Khabib that lol....he really needs it.

You can debate it all you want. He lost two rounds.

 

[JKS]

Khabib trains almost daily with Islam and he fought with Gaethje too.

He knows which of the two deserves a TS more

Ugh, no he doesn't. Please tell me you're not using that argument lol. That's just a ridiculous rationale.

There is far more that goes into building a title fight than that. Training and competing with both fighters has nothing to do with it.

 

[Ackmed]

Ugh, no he doesn't. Please tell me you're not using that argument lol. That's just a ridiculous rationale.

There is far more that goes into building a title fight than that. Training and competing with both fighters has nothing to do with it.

Khabib knows Gaethie & Islam's skill levels much more than you, me or anyone here

 

[moosaev]

Like I said, RDA had a 5 fight win streak, but it wasn't over the best competition and most of them weren't even top fighters aside from Cowboy. RDA went on his peak streak after the Khabib fight when he joined Kings. Either way, sure, top win. I am a huge RDA fan myself. I'll give Khabib that lol....he really needs it.

You can debate it all you want. He lost two rounds.

Lost 2 rounds on the books but you can’t refute the broader point I made. Khabib is the most dominant champion in UFC history. Jon Jones arguably lost a handful of fights, even in his prime many thought Gus beat him. GSP got knocked out by a bum. Khabib never been cut or bled in the cage, never been knocked down, never in the slightest trouble in the deepest division in UFC history. Had 4 dominating wins over former champions and made them all look like bums. You’re biased as fuck and look silly by trying to diminish his accomplishments lol. Khabib is the GOAT. Deal with it.

 

[JKS]

It's actually better to have not fought top competition than to have fought top competition and already been brutally finished multiple times. He has had his shot. We can't say whether the same would happen to Islam, so because of that he is the more preferable contender

It's a good way to look at the things, a new contender. Then again, Gaethje was finished twice but since then has been on a incredible run of beating very good fighers and only lost to Khabib. I think the UFC has quite a bit invested into Gaethje as well and want him in a title fight.

 

[mmathurbator]

Last 9 UFC fights;

-Gaethje; 6 wins 3 losses

-Dariush; 7 wins 1 loss 1 draw

-Islam; 9 wins 0 loss

quality of opposition matters. justin could be 9-0 against the number 9s of the division too.

 

[JKS]

Lost 2 rounds on the books but you can’t refute the broader point I made. Khabib is the most dominant champion in UFC history. Jon Jones arguably lost a handful of fights, even in his prime many thought Gus beat him. GSP got knocked out by a bum. Khabib never been cut or bled in the cage, never been knocked down, never in the slightest trouble in the deepest division in UFC history. Had 4 dominating wins over former champions and made them all look like bums. You’re biased as fuck and look silly by trying to diminish his accomplishments lol. Khabib is the GOAT. Deal with it.

LOL, I am biased. I am anything but level headed and honest. You're clearly bias and so full of S##t. You just can't accept that someone doesn't it your way. The moment I post something discrediting Khabib you come chasing after me practically foaming at the mouth.

You talk about Khabib never being hurt or in trouble and being so dominant?? Poirier had Khabib in a very deep choke for like 15 seconds, Gaethje had him hurt with leg kicks pretty bad. Then you go on spinning information around to suit your bias argument. Wins over 4 world champions?? Who? Conor is the only world champion he actually beat. RDA was a champion after Khabib beat him. Dustin Poirier and Gaethje were interim champions. Who are these champions??

Your boy only had 3 title defenses, the guys you're comparing him to in Jones and GSP had 9 and 12. The longer a fighter competes, the more chance he looks human. How did Jones look in his first several defenses? Complete domination over Rampage, Machida, Evens, Belfort and Chael. That's 5 fights with 4 finishes and not losing a round. Khabib lost rounds in 2 of his 3 defenses. And cut the S#%it about "on paper" losing rounds. He plain and simple lost those rounds, get over it buddy. If Khabib would've kept on fighting he likely would look human too. Those two champions you mentioned kept on going, that is the sign of real champion.

You are completely delusional buddy.

 

[JustBleed69]

Doesn't deserve TS*

What inbred hillbilly state/country are you from? Lol