Khabib is full of sh*t and he knows it — Jon Jones is not past his prime

[Luffy]

Khabib said that... But Topuria said Jon Jones should be the #1 pound for pound based solely off the performance he saw from JJ and Stipe. He said "after watching JJ vs Gane and specially Stipe, I don't know how he's not the #1 pound for pound... He's better now than he was"

Dricus, after the Stipe fight, said he wouldn't like to see a fight between Jon Jones and Tom because he said he likes both, but said "I can't never bet against Jon Jones, he is not just the GOAT but I believe he's the best still right now"

DDP told in an interview with a French journalist though that "I am conflicted as to who's better right now, Jon Jones or Pereira. I've said both are the best and I think they should fight as in my view they are the current #1 and #2 fighters of all time right now"

Jiri said Tom wouldn't stand a chance vs Jon Jones, but he said he'd been interested in seeing how Alex would do vs Jones (podcast in April)

So Khabib is full of shit. I don't think any of you can name the gym Jon Jones trains in right now. No matter what you do, I challenge you to tell the gym he trains in and his head coach. You won't be able to do that because we don't know ... He doesn't train in the Jackson's gym ever since he left the LHW division.

I also get that 3 years off would be a long time that should make a fighter worse. But Jon Jones took on a younger and natural Gane in 2 minutes without even getting punched back. Then Jon Jones torn his shoulder, had to stay a year with no training... While Miocic said he has been training the whole time (not for nothing he was always fit and lean and saying he felt better than in his last 3 fights because he put in an effort to get in shape he could not before)... Jon Jones started training in September for their fight in November, while before he was recovering, that was his second fight in HW after a 3 years lay off and training less than Miocic (he trained 2 months in a 2 months camp)... And Miocic didn't win a single round and was TKO'd with a spinning heel kick to which Jon Jones accuracy was such that he targeted the space his feet could pass...

Tom after the fight on the TNT lab channel said "Miocic was way better than I thought. He didn't look old. After that first round, I don't know how he still had the conditioning to push the way he did... He got hit with 30 elbows from a vertical position. His condition was surprisingly good for him to be fighting the way he did after that round"...

So logic wise, Jon Jones should be out in his prime. But we have no evidence of that except the opposite, as JJ folded 2 opponents in a dominant way he hadn't displayed in some time. Gordon Ryan said JJ trains obsessively in a time off and studies fights in a crazy way... To the point he said JJ knew every move certain fighters who are unknown from other organizations used... And that JJ before the Miocic fight was instead of warming up, rehashing the Trump dance for 10 minutes in the lock up while saying how he'd beat Stipe.

I mean, we have Alex Pereira who is wrestling wrestlers who weigh 250 lbs and holding his own impressively in huge work outs right now while keeping a pace that is unusual for someone who's 38 yo. Alex said he would fight every month if the UFC let him. Jon Jones recently said "whether my opponent is Tom Aspinall or who know maybe Alex Pereira , I am going to fight in the White House"...

Point is, logic can't be applied to fighters that are not normal... Jon Jones isn't normal. There's no logical way to explain how according to Topuria and DDP, JJ and Alex are the best right now, though they lean Jon Jones slightly, with an age like that. But there are guys who defy logic... Whether we want to accept it or not. I don't know how, but I think Jon Jones right now is better than he was at 30 years old. Is it weird? Yes... But he is not normal.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

jones is absolutely past his prime. doesn't mean he's not still one of the best fighters on earth.

 

[CutStryker]

Jon Jones is past his prime. Usually fighting prime is 30 years old.

 

[Thy]

I didn't read, but he's not past his prime.. in criminal activity and being a scumbag atleast lul

 

[Luffy]

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Khabib is obsessed with the idea of a prime.

“Nobody have two prime”.

“Jon Jone past prime”.

This dovetails nicely with his early exit. Dude was terrified of competing at an age disadvantage.

 

[BowserJr]

jones is absolutely past his prime. doesn't mean he's not still one of the best fighters on earth.

Exactly this. Its not that complicated but Jones stans have no brain of their own

 

[Luffy]

I didn't read, but he's not past his prime.. in criminal activity and being a scumbag atleast lul

Then you should read because he's not. I don't think there is a fighter that can beat him. At least, I'm pretty sure he'd maul Tom Aspinall. Whatever the negotiation was, that's gonna happen when way or another, or JJ will fight whoever has the belt if Tom loses his belt. But Tom isn't good enough to beat JJ. It'd be a repeat of Gane only a bit tougher. Picture a JJ vs Machida scenario... JJ is anxious like in energy life. Tom said he is afraid to fight JJ, he said he is scared because he knows JJ is perhaps the most dangerous man right now in a h2h fight (his interview diary of a CEO). Tom said both JJ and Alex Pereira are the most scaring fighters to ever compete in the UFC. We think someone is good due to speed and all, but we don't see the way pro fighters do. Tom is not in a level he would beat Jones. Like Tom said "me and Cyril Gane are very evenly matched up". And his video prior to that, was him training wrestling with Craig Jones, saying "I'm getting advices on wrestling to improve my wrestling so I can fight Jon Jones"... That should give away the fight is open. Or maybe already done, like Dana said. But we are in for a very big surprise anyways, and whether it's whoever walks last, I surely bet on either JJ or Alex Pereira.


... The TUF thing with DC and Chael is shaping up for Jones and Alex to be like an Adesanya and Alex Pereira. Tom like a Robert Whittaker...

 

[BowserJr]

Jon Jones is past his prime. Usually fighting prime is 30 years old.

It also depends on how much wear n tear the fighter has. This is why someone like DC did well while older.

Jones is older and has 30 fights. My lying eyes saw him look slow vs an even older slower more shopworn Stipe, after all.

 

[Vil7]

No, he is full of #1 bullshit.

 

[Luffy]

Khabib is jealous because his prime was at 30 yo so he can't see JJ being the #1 or top 2 as a 38 yo

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

If you have eyes and a functional brain you can see Jones is a flabby, regressed version of himself.

Which is still more than enough to beat most Heavyweights.

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

It’s hard to judge when his prime was/would have been when he jumped on the performance enhancing drugs so early in his career

 

[Luffy]

If you have eyes and a functional brain you can see Jones is a flabby, regressed version of himself.

Which is still more than enough to beat most Heavyweights.

Well, what we seen in someone's physical # their current abilities. We think he is because we assume looking at his physical. But from what we've seen, he's better than before. I think he can beat anyone right now.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I didn't read, but he's not past his prime.. in criminal activity and being a scumbag atleast lul

Jon is the GOAT repeat offender.

 

[Ashen One]

 

[Luffy]

Tbh JJ isn't human.... He's terrifying

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Well, what we seen in someone's physical # their current abilities. We think he is because we assume looking at his physical. But from what we've seen, he's better than before. I think he can beat anyone right now.

Bro just use your ability to see and think - he’s slower and sloppier and he’s fought twice in 5 years against a Frenchie that can’t grapple and a firefighter that hasn’t fought in years.

It’s like this with every fighter - no one is getting “better” at 35+, they are all getting slower, weaker, and less durable in variable increments. Being a marginal percentage technically better at wrestling/boxing/kicking/clinching/grappling isn’t worth the physical trade off. It’s better to be more effective at implementing a smaller degree of skills comparatively.

This doesn’t mean Jon Jones still isn’t an incredible fighter that can beat most Heavyweights. It doesn’t mean he isn’t still capable of beating Aspinal or Ngannou (though I’d pick against him). It just means there was a time a long time ago when he was overall a better fighter.

 

[Luffy]

Bro just use your ability to see and think - he’s slower and sloppier and he’s fought twice in 5 years against a Frenchie that can’t grapple and a firefighter that hasn’t fought in years.

It’s like this with every fighter - no one is getting “better” at 35+, they are all getting slower, weaker, and less durable in variable increments. Being a marginal percentage technically better at wrestling/boxing/kicking/clinching/grappling isn’t worth the physical trade off.

This doesn’t mean Jon Jones still isn’t an incredible fighter that can beat most Heavyweights. It doesn’t mean he isn’t still capable of beating Aspinal or Ngannou (though I’d pick against him). It just means there was a time a long time ago when he was overall a better fighter.

Yet he beat Gane and Miocic easily. Gane is quicker than him. Miocic was analysed by Tom as better than in his last 3 fights in the fighting lab channel Tom has — which Miocic agreed. What's your explanation for that then??

 

[Neck&Neck]

Thought you were taking a month off