Kenny Florian says BJJ is the best base for MMA.

Spath said:
”BJJ The best base for MMA” thread turned quickly into a ”Silva’s wrestling sucks boohoo” and @Fioretti ragdolling @snugglecakes to a 30-25 unanimous decision.

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I’d say BJJ is a great base for MMA. Is it enough? No, but it’s a great base, maybe the best. Why? Let me tell you.

In BJJ you train like you fight. You can actually go at each other HARD and basically try to kill each other (within a rule set, of course) even as a white belt. You scramble, throw, trip, squeeze, choke and go for all kinds of submissions. In training! That’s amazing.

Then coach congratulates you on your valiant effort as you went after it for the whole 5 minutes and tried to use some techniques that were taught earlier. Then he pairs you up with a blue belt half your size who pretzels your gassed ass for seventeen times in the next roll. You are left there wondering why you ever signed up for being mangled and choked like that… And it’s amazing.

Go sign up for a class, people!
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and I’ll add that before anyone starts to compare ”but this wrestler tools this and this bjj guy all day” let me remind you; BJJ hasn’t been around for too long and was a small, small group of peope doing it at first. It’s just now getting popular.

People have been wrestling for ages AND people usually start really young. Who started BJJ as a toddler? Not many if any of us. Fast forward 15 years and there will be tons of those kids.

The hours you put in matter. You get really good at wrestling when training a million hours, same thing with BJJ.
 
snugglecakes said:
since you love percents and math so much.. how long was he on his back against UFC wash out flop out lightweight ryo chonan? far far too long.
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Does it change his career TD or TDD percentages? Are you trying to move the goalposts again? Do your parents know you're still up?
 
Fioretti said:
Does it change his career TD or TDD percentages? Are you trying to move the goalposts again? Do your parents know you're still up?
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you tell me. you're the one who needs cheat sheets in front of you to have a debate. I'm not gonna bother looking up things like that but you are obsessed with these numbers so why are you asking me? You got all the numbers right in front of you... you're helpless without them tho..

I can do paper stat percents a little too bit.. when anderson isnt fighting a scrub he loses 100% of the time
 
MCS said:
Danaher for example acknowledges the lack of control in BJJ. That your opponent can stand up or prevent being taken down. Early days fighters were unable to do that, unable to stop being subbed. I do believe that against a single discipline wrestler BJJ is poison for that style, still. But not for a Chuck/Whittaker sprawl and brawl style.
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I actually think that the reason "just stand up" has become so popular is actually than the BJJ taught within the sport tends towards "control" and defense rather than really effective offence. Fewer fighters these days will be able to exploit an opponent giving up position to "just stand up".
 
snugglecakes said:
you tell me. you're the one who needs cheat sheets in front of you to have a debate. I'm not gonna bother looking up things like that but you are obsessed with these numbers so why are you asking me? You got all the numbers right in front of you... you're helpless without them tho..

I can do paper stat percents a little too bit.. when anderson isnt fighting a scrub he loses 100% of the time
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How old are you?
 
pankrat said:
I dont care about the other guy nor about arguing with an obvios 12 years old ignorant nerdy boy. I just wanted to inform you that's it. Im not dicussing with such a mongoloid lol.
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You came white knight simpingon his guy's behalf like an onlyfans donater dood. Then you used a racist slur. Ban this guy. Then you put lol after it like a 12 year old

Fioretti said:
How old are you?
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thats your big comeback when you're up against the wall? That sounds like an admission of defeat to me....n you're so salty about it.. i even admitted hes a good mma fighter. I only said wrestling is his weakness. You won't even accept a middleground compromise which is the sign of a salty sore loser
 
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moreorless87 said:
I actually think that the reason "just stand up" has become so popular is actually than the BJJ taught within the sport tends towards "control" and defense rather than really effective offence. Fewer fighters these days will be able to exploit an opponent giving up position to "just stand up".
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Charles is all about it, though! I think the stand and bang mentality stems from people trying to get paid too. On top of what you're saying.
 
Belt only cover 2 inch of ass
 
snugglecakes said:
You came white knight simpingon his guy's behalf like an onlyfans donater dood. Then you used a racist slur. Ban this guy. Then you put lol after it like a 12 year old


thats your big comeback when you're up against the wall?
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Buddy, you've been obliterated every step of the way and have been saying poopoo, peepee, and poopee - while ignoring every single talking point. Come on, now. Just go to bed. Everything you said was immediately proven false. Your shit is weak.
 
snugglecakes said:
You came white knight simpingon his guy's behalf like an onlyfans donater dood. Then you used a racist slur. Ban this guy. Then you put lol after it like a 12 year old
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I came to call you a 12 years old mongoloid as eveyrbody in this thread acknowledged, that's it.

Every fellow mma fighter and pundit acknowledges Silva as one of the GOATs, including GSP. On the other hand we have a retarded kiddo in a karate forum saying he never beat anybody good. It's what it is asshole
 
moreorless87 said:
I actually think that the reason "just stand up" has become so popular is actually than the BJJ taught within the sport tends towards "control" and defense rather than really effective offence. Fewer fighters these days will be able to exploit an opponent giving up position to "just stand up".
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Like not being offensively dangerous in a scramble. When some fighters wait for that stage to catch an arm.
 
Fioretti said:
Buddy, you've been obliterated every step of the way and have been saying poopoo, peepee, and poopee - while ignoring every single talking point. Come on, now. Just go to bed. Everything you said was immediately proven false. Your shit is weak.
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you didnt even address anderson being controlled on the ground by a lightweight ufc washout for a significant period of time. How does that count as "everything was proven false." that right there just proved what you just said is false.

pankrat said:
I came to call you a 12 years old mongoloid as eveyrbody in this thread acknowledged, that's it.

Every fellow mma fighter and pundit acknowledges Silva as one of the GOATs, including GSP. On the other hand we have a retarded kiddo in a karate forum saying he never beat anybody good. It's what it is asshole
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yeah mongoloid is a racist slur dood. ban yourself. I said anderson was good several times... but for some reason just saying he had a weakness in this 1 area makes some peoples' piss boil... I dunno why. What is the big freaking deal about saying anderson's weakness was in the wrestling department? Boo hoo hoo get over it.. You people are crying like toddlers over this
 
snugglecakes said:
you didnt even address anderson being controlled on the ground by a lightweight ufc washout for a significant period of time. How does that count as "everything was proven false." that right there just proved what you just said is false.



yeah mongoloid is a racist slur dood. ban yourself. I said anderson was good several times... but for some reason just saying he had a weakness in this 1 area makes some peoples' piss boil... I dunno why. What is the big freaking deal about saying anderson's weakness was in the wrestling department? Boo hoo hoo get over it.. You people are crying like toddlers over this
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You can say whatever you want, it's the arguments you provide what exposes you as a retard teenager.
 
I disagree,most pure BJJ guys dont know how to get fight to ground,but BJJ with high level wrestling could be great
 
snugglecakes said:
i didnt change my tune. I just clarified obvious things that i shouldnt have to... but you never know when you have to play captain obvious around places like this.

UFC wash out lightweight ryo chogan took andy down and controlled him for half the fight. I'll let the DC fight slide due to andy being undersized and short notice but theres no excuse for not being able to stop a takedown n get back up from a takedown against ryo freakn chonan.. AS far as hendo goes... he left his wrestling arsenal in the dumpster n let it rot like justin gatekeeperthji did. Yushin o-can-mi is overrated as they come and was well on his way to being cut from the ufc so he can go get out wrestled by welterweights in WSOF... so hes a trash wrestler that you can't count in the stats either

anything in the 60s percentile is a poopee TDD percentage. There is nothing new about saying anderson's wrestling was piss poor. ITs a very very common point of view held by an endless amount of people. His big run was against chris leben sloppy brawler types tailor made for anderson's style to destroy.

UFC MW has always had a history of lack of good wrestlers. Even when you occasionally get a good 1 like hendo and romero... they have a weird habbit of letting their wrestling skills rot and they become 1 dimensional head hunters
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Wrong. You’re a Fookin Moron.
 
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Best base for mma is… mma… which varies from gym to gym.
By that I mean taking a little but of everything to train in.
Being well-rounded is the most important thing.
 
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