Karen Read Trial

[Cartiac]

I lean towards her hitting him with the car, but I’m just curious here, if he wasn’t injured from being hit by the car, what caused his death?

Just go listen to Alan Jackson's closing argument. He presents a much more plausible theory of what happened and why than the prosecution came close to.

To try to summarize, Brian Higgins was trying to get with Karen. John found out. They all got very drunk that night and that situation got heated.

Higgins challenged John to pull up at the Albert's house. He did. Things got physical, John was punched in the eye, KO'ing him and causing him to fall straight backwards cracking his skull on the elevated ledge at the edge of the garage floor.

 

[Cartiac]

Not true. The head injury was from falling and hitting his head on the concrete. She knocked him over while reversing drunk. End of story. She even confessed.

What concrete? There is no concrete where he was found

 

[floivanus]

Just go listen to Alan Jackson's closing argument. He presents a much more plausible theory of what happened and why than the prosecution came close to.

To try to summarize, Brian Higgins was trying to get with Karen. John found out. They all got very drunk that night and that situation got heated.

Higgins challenged John to pull up at the Albert's house. He did. Things got physical, John was punched in the eye, KO'ing him and causing him to fall straight backwards cracking his skull on the elevated ledge at the edge of the garage floor.

Zero DNA of Johns on any taillight fragments, dog bites on his arm, pig DNA in his wounds that the commonwealth DNA expert said could come from a pigs ear dog chew toy, no major bruising, no frost bite. 42 minutes of missing security camera footage of the garage where the suspect vehicle was kept by the police.

All it takes is one or two people “in” on the killing, and a lead investigator who is blind to any evidence that points any other direction but to who he says did it.

 

[Roids]

What concrete? There is no concrete where he was found

My bad. frozen surface. same thing, hard as concrete.

 

[Roids]

Zero DNA of Johns on any taillight fragments, dog bites on his arm, pig DNA in his wounds that the commonwealth DNA expert said could come from a pigs ear dog chew toy, no major bruising, no frost bite. 42 minutes of missing security camera footage of the garage where the suspect vehicle was kept by the police.

All it takes is one or two people “in” on the killing, and a lead investigator who is blind to any evidence that points any other direction but to who he says did it.

There was 9 people at the party, plus the lead detective. They must all have decided to conspire and risk decades or life in prison to cover up a homicide. Its either that or a drunk woman knocked over someone with her car late at night and he cracked his head and died.

All those points you made were red herrings. Not relevant.

 

[floivanus]

There was 9 people at the party, plus the lead detective. They must all have decided to conspire and risk decades or life in prison to cover up a homicide. Its either that or a drunk woman knocked over someone with her car late at night and he cracked his head and died.

All those points you made were red herrings. Not relevant.

Those aren’t red herrings, those are pieces of evidence that don’t add up to the version of events that the commonwealth alleged to have happened, obviously they’re pertinent when twelve people agreed that she didn’t do it.

The answer is we don’t know what honesty happened, the investigation was completely flawed, multiple police officers did commit perjury, chose to lie on the stand, to the police, but told the truth to the FBI, two police officers destroyed their phones the day before preservation orders were given.

A simple one for you, the entirety of Karen’s SUV was covered with salt residue and water spots from the snow and salted roads, minus the interior of her broken taillight, that SUV allegedly drove home in the snow, back to the crime scene, back to her home and was put on a tow truck with a broken light where it would be pelted with salt, snow and ice, but the inside of it has no residue, no discoloration whatsoever. Why wouldn’t it match the rest of the vehicle?

 

[Roids]

A simple one for you, the entirety of Karen’s SUV was covered with salt residue and water spots from the snow and salted roads, minus the interior of her broken taillight, that SUV allegedly drove home in the snow, back to the crime scene, back to her home and was put on a tow truck with a broken light where it would be pelted with salt, snow and ice, but the inside of it has no residue, no discoloration whatsoever. Why wouldn’t it match the rest of the vehicle?

Because no snow managed to get inside it which is entirely plausible. You are again assuming something must have happened when it's not true. Did the snow just melt off? Why must snow have gotten inside? From what angle? I could go and on, this is a another huge red herring dude.

How about you explain why 10 people testified they heard her confess to doing it? Explain that because it's sort of incriminating lol.

 

[floivanus]

Because no snow managed to get inside it which is entirely plausible. You are again assuming something must have happened when it's not true. Did the snow just melt off? Why must snow have gotten inside? From what angle? I could go and on, this is a another huge red herring dude.

How about you explain why 10 people testified they heard her confess to doing it? Explain that because it's sort of incriminating lol.

10 people? As far as I can tell, Kerry Roberts said that Jen McCabe said that Karen said it. Officer Nutall said he heard her say it while he was busy examining John O Keefe, Katie Mcglaughlin said that Karen said it at some time during their interaction, and known perjury Jen McCabe said that Karen said it in the back of the squad car, most of those were caught on dash cam, and she did NOT say, “I hit him” she said something along the lines of “did I hit him” or “could I have hit him”

I don’t know where you’re pulling “10 people” from but they definitely didn’t testify at trial OR appear on footage from that night

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

There was 9 people at the party, plus the lead detective. They must all have decided to conspire and risk decades or life in prison to cover up a homicide. Its either that or a drunk woman knocked over someone with her car late at night and he cracked his head and died.

All those points you made were red herrings. Not relevant.

Their own stories didn’t add up. If it was just an accident why deny he entered the house?Why deny all the phone calls? Why did 3 of them all get rid of their phones the day before they were due to be seized?

 

[Roids]

Their own stories didn’t add up. If it was just an accident why deny he entered the house?Why deny all the phone calls? Why did 3 of them all get rid of their phones the day before they were due to be seized?

He never entered the house. Maybe they had stuff totally unrelated on their phone they did not want exposed.

 

[Roids]

10 people? As far as I can tell, Kerry Roberts said that Jen McCabe said that Karen said it. Officer Nutall said he heard her say it while he was busy examining John O Keefe, Katie Mcglaughlin said that Karen said it at some time during their interaction, and known perjury Jen McCabe said that Karen said it in the back of the squad car, most of those were caught on dash cam, and she did NOT say, “I hit him” she said something along the lines of “did I hit him” or “could I have hit him”

I don’t know where you’re pulling “10 people” from but they definitely didn’t testify at trial OR appear on footage from that night

Testified under oath.

1. Julie Nagel – Civilian. Testified in both trials that Karen said “I hit him” at the scene.
2. Jennifer McCabe – Karen’s friend. testified karen said ' i hit him' multiple times.
3. Colin Albert – Brian Albert’s nephew. Claimed Karen repeatedly said “I hit him, it’s my fault.”
4. Brian Albert – Retired Boston Police Officer and party host. Testified he heard Karen say incriminating things outside his home.
5. Matthew McCabe – Canton Police Officer. Claimed Karen said “I hit him” multiple times when John’s body was found.
6. Kerri O’Keefe – John O’Keefe’s sister. Said Karen told her “It’s my fault” or “I did it.”
7. Officer Michael Proctor – Massachusetts State Trooper. Testified Karen made incriminating statements during the investigation.
8. Officer Paul O’Brien – State Police Officer. Heard Karen say “It’s my fault” or similar at the scene.

So what is your explanation.