Karate Blitz in MMA

[YourOnlineHero]

This should be in the standup section.

Or just wasteland it and save those guys the pain of reading it.

 

[mkt]

Bro trt vitor was exactly that.. lol ... he was a second away from beating jones

No they were pretty different. TRT Vitor had even more power + kicks, but he didn't have his 19-year old speed any more. He was still fast, but not that fast.

His only success against Jones was a surprise arm bar attempt that Jones didn't expect. He had nothing for Jones in the stand up.

 

[HSM1]

It won't work for you. The reason it's exciting to you is because you made n00b assumptions out of the ignorance of not having any experience. It doesn't really work like that IRL unless your opponent is timid and inexperienced as well (in which case anything would work). Trying this on someone who isn't your little brother is going to get you splattered because there are some very basic details you are overlooking.

Don't take my word for it, go ahead and try it in sparring. First and last time you try that.

Robert Whittaker does it a lot. And did it on Uriah Hall

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

Robert Whittaker does it a lot. And did it on Uriah Hall

If you get really really good first and master the fundamentals that sport karate doesn't teach, and modify its inherent weaknesses to where you are much better than the guy in that vid you posted, then maybe you can tweak it to work at the right moment. Almost anything will work at the moment when someone is vulnerable, even the more absurd pro wrestling moves

If you are planning for this move to be your go-to or special move, prepare to get KO'ed mysteriously by 2/3 of the gym when you spar

 

[Henddong]

i miss the elaborate trolls of old like payak the muay thai god

 

[HSM1]

If you get really really good first and master the fundamentals that sport karate doesn't teach, and modify its inherent weaknesses to where you are much better than the guy in that vid you posted, then maybe you can tweak it to work at the right moment. Almost anything will work at the moment when someone is vulnerable, even the more absurd pro wrestling moves

If you are planning for this move to be your go-to or special move, prepare to get KO'ed mysteriously by 2/3 of the gym when you spar

Lol why would I get Ko'd? If I act slow... Bait them then Explode at the least expecting moment, fast enough where they can not react fast enough.. Why would I get Ko'd? If I train my fast twitch fibers for explosion... Why do I always have to get caught? Fedor would blitz, then use judo

 

[beastman]

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

Lol why would I get Ko'd? If I act slow... Bait them then Explode at the least expecting moment, fast enough where they can not react fast enough.. Why would I get Ko'd? If I train my fast twitch fibers for explosion... Why do I always have to get caught? Fedor would blitz, then use judo

Yeah, you CAN do it, the entire trick is to know and be able to gauge exactly when and how (a lot harder than it sounds-- that's basically the key to fighting), which isn't done or shown correctly in that vid you posted.

 

[HSM1]

Yeah, you CAN do it, the entire trick is to know and be able to gauge exactly when and how (a lot harder than it sounds-- that's basically the key to fighting), which isn't done or shown correctly in that vid you posted.

How about this one

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

How about this one

Surprisingly much better, much less telegraphed, and more balanced. Still very open, vulnerable and mechanically poor compared to the methods we have now.


The problem is that these running lunges are so telegraphed so you can be countered easily by someone with little or no skill. They can look impressive from the side, but face to face, it just doesn't operate that way.

There's too much time and distance between you two to see and react easily and you can and will be hit before you've even extended an arm if the other guy has ANY sparring experience. Even a lot of guys with NO prior sparring experience will see it.

1. It's easy to see coming and begging for an easy (devastating to you) counter, a lot more than you would think. You'd be surprised that most backyard nobodies can see this before you even get going and have a free and easy slobberknocker to your face that WILL put you down. It surprises almost no one to be attacked by this in a spar. I know, I used to assume it would work, too. People instinctively pick up on it before it even starts. Unskilled people have it built in to look for it, I guess because every angry or drunk moron since the beginning of time tries to do something just like this in a fight. It's not stealthy, fast, or subtle. It's out of control.

2. The mechanics are all wrong, you're going down hard even if you get merely grazed while trying to do it. There's no balance and the leverage you want isn't there from this technique. The footwork is non-existant. It's garbage.

3. You're completely vulnerable after you start it (you have no way to defend yourself and you're stuck in motion)-- but even before you start it you're easy to pick off. This is something beginners don't understand or pick up on because they're enamored with the action-movieness of the idea of it.

4. This kind of thing could still work but better as a counter (and better at a shorter distance where you can do a balanced, compact attack and keep your balance and leverage and proper footwork). The time to use something like this is when the other guy is recovering from getting out of place or off balance from a failed technique.

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If you don't believe me, go ahead and try it. Have some buddy that takes karate try it in an MMA gym. They won't kill him, they'll go easy. But it will still bonk him silly since he'll be running at fists.

I would advise you to take the most practical, proven striking art with the best reputation you can. Just because it's better doesn't have to mean it's more brutal to its students, so don't worry. The most difficult arts are the ones that lie to you and don't prepare you for a fight, you will get horrendously brutalized by those, guaranteed.

 

[HSM1]

Surprisingly much better, much less telegraphed, and more balanced. Still very open, vulnerable and mechanically poor compared to the methods we have now.


The problem is that these running lunges are so telegraphed so you can be countered easily by someone with little or no skill. They can look impressive from the side, but face to face, it just doesn't operate that way.

There's too much time and distance between you two to see and react easily and you can and will be hit before you've even extended an arm if the other guy has ANY sparring experience. Even a lot of guys with NO prior sparring experience will see it.

1. It's easy to see coming and begging for an easy (devastating to you) counter, a lot more than you would think. You'd be surprised that most backyard nobodies can see this before you even get going and have a free and easy slobberknocker to your face that WILL put you down. It surprises almost no one to be attacked by this in a spar. I know, I used to assume it would work, too. People instinctively pick up on it before it even starts. Unskilled people have it built in to look for it, I guess because every angry or drunk moron since the beginning of time tries to do something just like this in a fight. It's not stealthy, fast, or subtle. It's out of control.

2. The mechanics are all wrong, you're going down hard even if you get merely grazed while trying to do it. There's no balance and the leverage you want isn't there from this technique. The footwork is non-existant. It's garbage.

3. You're completely vulnerable after you start it (you have no way to defend yourself and you're stuck in motion)-- but even before you start it you're easy to pick off. This is something beginners don't understand or pick up on because they're enamored with the action-movieness of the idea of it.

4. This kind of thing could still work but better as a counter (and better at a shorter distance where you can do a balanced, compact attack and keep your balance and leverage and proper footwork). The time to use something like this is when the other guy is recovering from getting out of place or off balance from a failed technique.

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If you don't believe me, go ahead and try it. Have some buddy that takes karate try it in an MMA gym. They won't kill him, they'll go easy. But it will still bonk him silly since he'll be running at fists.

I would advise you to take the most practical, proven striking art with the best reputation you can. Just because it's better doesn't have to mean it's more brutal to its students, so don't worry. The most difficult arts are the ones that lie to you and don't prepare you for a fight, you will get horrendously brutalized by those, guaranteed.

I feel as though. If you train your typeIIB fibers very good. For example. Lots of explosive low rep movements. Olympic Lifts. Powerlifting. You can be fast enough for it. Fedor did it to Brett Rogers..

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

I feel as though. If you train your typeIIB fibers very good. For example. Lots of explosive low rep movements. Olympic Lifts. Powerlifting. You can be fast enough for it. Fedor did it to Brett Rogers..

It's not about fibers. That's just action movie bs you'll have to un-learn.

If you watch closely in the .gif, Brett moved first and that's what Fedor saw. Fedor recognized Brett was about to blitz then countered Brett with that beautiful, expertly executed right, all in a split second. THAT is what you want to learn-- how to read the other guy. OR you could be that other guy, the guy with the "fibers" and get splattered. He was younger and had better athleticism at that time than Fedor. Didn't matter. Correct movement needs to be trained, not fibers.

For that kind of ability to read the other guy and counter him into oblivion, you'll learn that in boxing more likely than anywhere else, because it's actually part of the curriculum in boxing, and they have most of the experience with it.

 

[Flex Plexico]

TS is in middle school

 

[HSM1]

It's not about fibers. That's just action movie bs you'll have to un-learn.

If you watch closely in the .gif, Brett moved first and that's what Fedor saw. Fedor recognized Brett was about to blitz then countered Brett with that beautiful, expertly executed right, all in a split second. THAT is what you want to learn-- how to read the other guy. OR you could be that other guy, the guy with the "fibers" and get splattered. He was younger and had better athleticism at that time than Fedor. Didn't matter. Correct movement needs to be trained, not fibers.

For that kind of ability to read the other guy and counter him into oblivion, you'll learn that in boxing more likely than anywhere else, because it's actually part of the curriculum in boxing, and they have most of the experience with it.

I agree on ONE of your points. Thats also what I stated in my post. Fedor saw Rogers about to punch. So that was the PERFECT TIME to blitz on him. EXPLODE with a looping shot. As Fedor did... EDIT Not a looping shot. Actually a very fast straight

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

I agree on ONE of your points. Thats also what I stated in my post. Fedor saw Rogers about to punch. So that was the PERFECT TIME to blitz on him. EXPLODE with a looping shot. As Fedor did... EDIT Not a looping shot. Actually a very fast straight

So the hard part is seeing and identifying it

and the other hard part is moving correctly in accordance (using efficient footwork and overall movement) to where you can take advantage of that

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The second part is hard enough to do on it's own, but is impossible to use without the first part which is also the subtlest, most difficult skill to obtain
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It doesn't matter what you agree with now, you will agree with all of what I said after you get several years of training in. Go the shortcut way I explained and save yourself a lot of braincells, decades of time and money, or take the long way and look/feel like a buffoon the whole time, likely never become proficient. It's up to you. Most people take door #2. Most people are easy to beat up and get frustrated and quit. Not a coincidence.

Sounds like option #2 is more your thing. Go ahead and be like the countless others, many of which are more talented than you but still never made it, got injured and quit instead. All because they would rather be excited by chasing their own false ideas like a dog running after its tail than actually achieve real, reliable skills that work when you need them.

 

[StoneWT]

You need to wave your hands in front of your face in random patterns. When your enemy is confused, go for the blitz.

 

[emema]

Thought this was a thread about Karate Hottie..i.am disappoint

 

[tasticles]

But it was nothing like Wing Chun.

You're gonna teach this kid how to get fucked up with that. He already has a head start in that department.

 

[dog y]

And be an average, ploddy fighter who gets frusterated, against taller, longer fighters? No thanks. I need to do something to stand out or its over.

Its over.

 

[HSM1]

So the hard part is seeing and identifying it

and the other hard part is moving correctly in accordance (using efficient footwork and overall movement) to where you can take advantage of that

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The second part is hard enough to do on it's own, but is impossible to use without the first part which is also the subtlest, most difficult skill to obtain
---

It doesn't matter what you agree with now, you will agree with all of what I said after you get several years of training in. Go the shortcut way I explained and save yourself a lot of braincells, decades of time and money, or take the long way and look/feel like a buffoon the whole time, likely never become proficient. It's up to you. Most people take door #2. Most people are easy to beat up and get frustrated and quit. Not a coincidence.

Sounds like option #2 is more your thing. Go ahead and be like the countless others, many of which are more talented than you but still never made it, got injured and quit instead. All because they would rather be excited by chasing their own false ideas like a dog running after its tail than actually achieve real, reliable skills that work when you need them.

Lol. Man... Life is to short to be average.