Karate blackbelt Jesse Enkamp demonstrates why BJJ does not work

listrahtes said:
Its exactly like what happens nowadays countless times in front of nightclubs or in schools. It has zero connection to being a skilled fighter.
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In means to be competitive athlete capable to fight someone trained and with decent notice ofc I agree.
While such stuff too in not rare cases delivers clients for hospitals and courts so.....damage might be inflicted and I don't mean here just some bruises ...also such ppl not rare cases aren't untrained... some had even competed...
 
What I want to tell.
Not all ppl in the same HS or pub are untrained and without any real life fight experience.
Next thing is that 2 Nd fight with the same guy IF you had won first... might be more dangerous cos multiple reasons.

The same just HS age era for me was...mainly not fights in the front of school ...didn't mattered where. Something didn't liked and doesn't matter where and when some seconds and stuff go on.
It depends ofc from guys you have there and their experience and tips and tricks...
 
WolverReem said:


He tried training with Francis Ngannou coach Dewey Cooper and took a Muay Thai fight and lost by TKO
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You can't pull the same trick off in a stricking match and get out with your senses intact.
Not that he tried.
I personally don't like that Cooper trainer.
I wish he would have found someone else.
The video would be match more pleasant for me, but he did it for the clicks I guess.
 
WolverReem said:


He tried training with Francis Ngannou coach Dewey Cooper and took a Muay Thai fight and lost by TKO
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Pretty good fight though. He jumped into pretty deep waters having what I believe is his second MT match against a guy who is bigger and also looked pretty experienced. Jesse might have made it through that one using more of his karate style rather than trying to be an MT fighter, but I guess he learned something.
 
teamventure09 said:
You don't think it's ignorant to believe that any jeetkunedo master could beat Mike Tyson? Yes I am ignorant and you're not.
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I didn't say that. I say anyone who can master.. (i mean became good, not just know and teach) and not any JKD, the real JKD
 
noc said:
He is not doing heavy bag work, he is playing around for a few seconds.. he is hitting barenuckle, and is not him in his prime, in the late 60s he was investigating, discovering, changing his art constanly.. there was nothing in boxing he didn't new. That Boxer i mentioned wanted him to be a boxer. He is doing in that a variation of the Chain punch of WingChun

Damn i realize now.. that video is that dumb video with Tyson.. yeah lets compare him with a Steroid PEDs user who is using gloves and handwraps
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You are just making excuses.
And saying that bruce lee knew everything about boxing. Care to explain that statement?
 
teamventure09 said:
You are just making excuses.
And saying that bruce lee knew everything about boxing. Care to explain that statement?
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haha Not excuses, he is not training
You don't understand what knowing everything about boxing means? he knew everything about combat actually, he studied.. he was trying to come up with the ultimate style for a REAL fight, because he saw that.. that didn't existed.. and combining a great Striking art and a great Grappling was not the answer for him.. he thought he had something better

Some of his notes about Boxing:

"The left jab is used as a "feeler" and all punching techniques evolve around the left jab. The left jab is shot from the middle area or the high area"

"A good Western boxer hits from every angle. Each punch sets him in a position to deliver another punch. He is always on center, never off balance"

"Pros and cons Western boxing PRO 1. Efficient footwork 2. Variety of punches: • Jab· Hook· Cross· Uppercut 3. Shoulder/chin in protection (plus all-purpose parry and block stance) 4. Conditioning 5. In-fighting 6. Head and body movements CON An evaluation: It has its set of restrictions and is designed to defeat an adversary in a certain manner."
 
noc said:
haha Not excuses, he is not training
You don't understand what knowing everything about boxing means? he knew everything about combat actually, he studied.. he was trying to come up with the ultimate style for a REAL fight, because he saw that.. that didn't existed.. and combining a great Striking art and a great Grappling was not the answer for him.. he thought he had something better

Some of his notes about Boxing:

"The left jab is used as a "feeler" and all punching techniques evolve around the left jab. The left jab is shot from the middle area or the high area"

"A good Western boxer hits from every angle. Each punch sets him in a position to deliver another punch. He is always on center, never off balance"

"Pros and cons Western boxing PRO 1. Efficient footwork 2. Variety of punches: • Jab· Hook· Cross· Uppercut 3. Shoulder/chin in protection (plus all-purpose parry and block stance) 4. Conditioning 5. In-fighting 6. Head and body movements CON An evaluation: It has its set of restrictions and is designed to defeat an adversary in a certain manner."
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You have to train boxing for years to know everything about it something bruce did not do. His knowledge of grappling was also limited, so your claim he knew everything about combat is also false.

But back to that bagwork video.
Anyone with any skill at all barenuckled and just messing around with the bag would look way better than that video. He demonstrated a lack of good form, hand skill, speed, and power and there is video proof. You are in denial.
 
teamventure09 said:
You have to train boxing for years to know everything about it something bruce did not do. His knowledge of grappling was also limited, so your claim he knew everything about combat is also false.

But back to that bagwork video.
Anyone with any skill at all barenuckled and just messing around with the bag would look way better than that video. He demonstrated a lack of good form, hand skill, speed, and power and there is video proof. You are in denial.
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Not at all, boxing training is for competition. His knowdledge of grapling limited? you don't know nothing about him. He knew everything a martial artist should know
He didn't punched like that, thats not late JKD, that is after his back injury
Show us your bagwork
 
noc said:
Not at all, boxing training is for competition. His knowdledge of grapling limited? you don't know nothing about him. He knew everything a martial artist should know
He didn't punched like that, thats not late JKD, that is after his back injury
Show us your bagwork
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More excuses.

Boxing training is for competition which is another thing lee didn't do.

What proof do you have that he had extensive knowledge of grappling?

Once again, how does my bagwork change whether or not bruce was any good?
 
Chuck Norris was actually legitimate and a BJJ black belt. Both he and Bruce would get obliterated by any competent MMA guy today. If they trained for it than who knows but Bruce Lee was a philosopher/actor.
 
teamventure09 said:
More excuses.

Boxing training is for competition which is another thing lee didn't do.

What proof do you have that he had extensive knowledge of grappling?

Once again, how does my bagwork change whether or not bruce was any good?
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Your ignorance is boring Zzz

He took things from Jack Dempsey and Jim Driscoll, thats where he saw value

He knew everything he had to know, you brought him here with a time machine and he would not make any change in his late JKD in order to defeat a modern fighter

Great grapplers of his time said they couldnt touch him, but dont believe them if u want

Show us how good you are, you the critic, u must be great :D

Nobody can say he was just an actor period, that was all i said.. that started all of this. We even have the word of witnesses friends of his opponents and the word of at least 2 who fought against him, not a sport fighter, but a legit Martial Artist, a legit Martial Artist is ready to accept a challenge
 
pokerandbeer said:
Chuck Norris was actually legitimate and a BJJ black belt. Both he and Bruce would get obliterated by any competent MMA guy today. If they trained for it than who knows but Bruce Lee was a philosopher/actor.
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You say that based on ignorance, you dont know nothing about Bruce Lee
 
pokerandbeer said:
Chuck Norris was actually legitimate and a BJJ black belt. Both he and Bruce would get obliterated by any competent MMA guy today. If they trained for it than who knows but Bruce Lee was a philosopher/actor.
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I will not agree that in prime shape Norris version might be easily get obliterated by anyone trained in MMA.
He had good shape and was able to met military tests norms.
He then had good gas tank and actually always had told how important is physical shape and S/C ...not only some secret death technique.
Yeah, then was easier to earn more money by showing some kicks and as actor....

However he was not weak dreamer.
Kicks alone, more looks that he had drilled enough long time just some kicks...still they were really well drilled power kicks....
With punches approx the same.

Yeah, I even do not know was he BJJ belt or no.

However reality is that he might had gave big problems for some local pros in both KB and pro boxing. Really very big problems.

If you have someone capable to do for example 30 full push ups and immediately after this 30 full pull ups....
Guy capable to climb up some 20 meters on rope with 100 lbs payload on lad and quickly.

Yeah, then semi contact stuff in western world was joke level and if you want to get money you compete under such rules.
Or might just to show some kicks and get money.
Or as an actor even more money.
 
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