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Elections Kamala Harris for POTUS

BFoe said:
Are you serious? Well, for starters, if your doctor discovers a resolvable medical condition which could seriously threaten your health or life, you can confer with your physician and choose your preferred method of care. The government won’t step in and force you to forego care or risk your own health, life, and safety. If you want to travel somewhere else for care, you can do so. You don’t have to worry about being prosecuted for exercising your right to travel. You've never had to take a case all the way to your state Supreme Court, and you’ve never had your state’s AG interfere even after you win to prevent you from exercising your rights. Pretty amazing, eh?
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Just come out and say it. You want women to be able to kill babies.

Guess what, nobody should kill babies.
 
Barteh said:
She's an unqualified DEI pick
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Are we saying that she's unqualified because she has sucked at her jobs? If so, nbd, I'm sure Dems will disagree, but fair enough.

Only asking because, on paper, it seems like she's been a really strong candidate for like every job she's had since ADA, especially President, based solely upon prior positions held?'

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MichiganMMA1978 said:
Just come out and say it. You want women to be able to kill babies.

Guess what, nobody should kill babies.
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A baby is out of the womb. You want to save a fetus. At what point are you trying to limit abortion? 16 weeks? 8? Conception?
 
Soggust said:
Are we saying that she's unqualified because she has sucked at her jobs? If so, nbd, I'm sure Dems will disagree, but fair enough.

Only asking because, on paper, it seems like she's been a really strong candidate for like every job she's had since ADA, especially President, based solely upon prior positions held?'

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Have you heard her speak? Maybe she sucked so much (at her jobs) because didn't really enjoy listening to her?
 
MichiganMMA1978 said:
Just come out and say it. You want women to be able to kill babies.

Guess what, nobody should kill babies.
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MichiganMMA1978 said:
That is literally what you just did to me. Deflection with absurd babbling about how women can't murder babies.
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What did you find unclear?

You asked what rights they didn’t have. So let me be specific.

Here’s an easy one for you, one we can agree on I am sure—because this woman had already miscarried, the fetus was already dead, before she sought medical care. And was still denied healthcare, and sent home while she was bleeding profusely.

This woman was, without doubt, going to have a severe medical complication that could kill her. Doctors made her wait in the parking lot until her vital signs crashed and death was imminent before they could legally intervene to provide the medical care they were always going to have to provide to save her life.

—Does that happen to men? Do doctors just say “I know you’re about to have a serious health emergency, and I have the ability to solve that right now, but the government won’t let me so please wait outside until you’re nearly dead? No it does not.

I am not deflecting in any way, I’m answering your exact question, with specifics.
 
BFoe said:
What did you find unclear?

You asked what rights they didn’t have. So let me be specific.

Here’s an easy one for you, one we can agree on I am sure—because this woman had already miscarried, the fetus was already dead, before she sought medical care. And was still denied healthcare, and sent home while she was bleeding profusely.

This woman was, without doubt, going to have a severe medical complication that could kill her. Doctors made her wait in the parking lot until her vital signs crashed and death was imminent before they could legally intervene to provide the medical care they were always going to have to provide to save her life.

—Does that happen to men? Do doctors just say “I know you’re about to have a serious health emergency, and I have the ability to solve that right now, but the government won’t let me so please wait outside until you’re nearly dead? No it does not.

I am not deflecting in any way, I’m answering your exact question, with specifics.
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First, I have no issue if it saves the mother's life. Aside from that, it is a deplorable practice.
I should have been more clear with my original question.
So let's try that again, since abortion seems to be your main talking point.
What right do women not have, that men do?
 
Barteh said:
Have you heard her speak? Maybe she sucked so much (at her jobs) because didn't really enjoy listening to her?
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I don't enjoy listening to any politician apart from maybe Trump, but that's just to see if he says some wild shit.

I can't imagine her voice is truly a problem when people are listening to Biden and RFK lol.

Please don't mistake that for me thinking she's a strong orator. She's a DA imo, which for some reason makes people think she is a great debater, but I disagree. The problem with her DA approach is that she's used to being the hammer, but not used to being the nail. We saw that when Tulsi evicerated her and all she could do was laugh and criticize Tulsi for not falling in line with the leadership (wtf?). It was like she was completely unprepared to be attacked, which is bewildering to me. The best sign of intelligence, imo, is how well you can make the opposing argument and she showed up to the debate clearly demonstrating she hadn't self-reflected on any of her own positions or policies. Which (bringing my strawman here back), does very much smell of your dei/entitlement take.

I was just thinking in the broad sense like...VP / Senator / AG / DA / ADA is a pretty strong resume for President in a vacuum.
 
Misfit23 said:
A baby is out of the womb. You want to save a fetus. At what point are you trying to limit abortion? 16 weeks? 8? Conception?
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That's obviously not for me to decide. But aside from saving the mother's life, I despise the practice. And I couldn't think less of any woman that gets one when it's not medically necessary.
 
HOLA said:
How Trumpists dealt with Kamala in the aftermath of Biden dropping out is hilarious. They were lost at sea. All those years of narrative about Joe just evaporated, so they started just throwing everything out there, seeing what sticks with Kamala, before they get their marching orders from HQ.

Kamala has an annoying laugh.
Kamala has given blowjobs.
Kamala is not really black.

All very important issues. lmao.
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They’re nothing if not predictable.
 
The one thing nobody is talking about is if elected Kamala will be the oldest sitting female President in US history and Trump is like 20 years older than she is.
 
BFoe said:
What did you find unclear?

You asked what rights they didn’t have. So let me be specific.

Here’s an easy one for you, one we can agree on I am sure—because this woman had already miscarried, the fetus was already dead, before she sought medical care. And was still denied healthcare, and sent home while she was bleeding profusely.

This woman was, without doubt, going to have a severe medical complication that could kill her. Doctors made her wait in the parking lot until her vital signs crashed and death was imminent before they could legally intervene to provide the medical care they were always going to have to provide to save her life.

—Does that happen to men? Do doctors just say “I know you’re about to have a serious health emergency, and I have the ability to solve that right now, but the government won’t let me so please wait outside until you’re nearly dead? No it does not.

I am not deflecting in any way, I’m answering your exact question, with specifics.
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Sad example, it's wild that shit like that happens. If only both sides would come together and try to actually find a fix that works for both parties, which I guess is going to be hard with both extremes so far apart.

So many countries have done it, just say 14-16 weeks, health of the mother + rape/incest/unviable fetus and boom. But sadly they can't do it.
 
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Misfit23 said:
A baby is out of the womb. You want to save a fetus. At what point are you trying to limit abortion? 16 weeks? 8? Conception?
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Conception is the most sensible, because otherwise all you're doing is saying it's okay to kill a human as long as they're not aware of it and don't feel pain from it.

But if you truly want to talk reasonable limits, how about this - abortion is legal in cases of rape, incest, and to protect the health of the mother, and illegal in all other cases. Would that be acceptable?
 
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