NFL Justin Herbert vs Drake Maye 2025ish

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

By this time next season nobody will be wanting to debate Herbert vs Maye, it will obviously be Maye.

Picked this up out of curiousity

Christian Kirk that Jags WR is only a 4.46 cat, I did expect a 4.37ish.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

If Maye has a good game vs THAT defense, what more do we need to see and all that...........ah hell he played a bunch of fucking cans......pretty much goes down the drain.

The cat is big, mobile, accurate, what's not to like? Add..............young.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Drake Maye vs Jarrett Stidham, hahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Madmick]

If Maye has a good game vs THAT defense, what more do we need to see and all that...........ah hell he played a bunch of fucking cans......pretty much goes down the drain.

The cat is big, mobile, accurate, what's not to like? Add..............young.

LOL at trying to praise that performance.

He had three turnovers, and it could have been five (from two fumbles recovered). Less than 190 yards combined between his passing and his rushing, and if you factor in the sacks he took, he had less than 150 yards passing. His first TD pass saw 19 of the 28 yards gained after catch. His second TD pass was 7 yards. His third TD was an overthrow miraculously caught by Boutte who gets all the credit. Minus that catch he didn't contribute 35+ air yards passing in any of their longest drives.

After Further Review: Breaking Down the Patriots Defense’s Playoff Breakout, Maye Review, and Quick-Hit Notes From Divisional Round Win vs. Texans

Due to putting the ball on the ground four times, Maye posted his lowest EPA per drop-back output of the season (-0.27) and his fourth-lowest of his career. In these playoffs, Maye's efficiency has dropped from the top-rated quarterback in EPA (+0.31) to a negative-EPA player (-0.07). His 33.3% play success rate vs. the Texans was also the lowest in a complete game of his career, which doesn't look good on the stat sheet.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

LOL at trying to praise that performance.

He had three turnovers, and it could have been five (from two fumbles recovered). Less than 190 yards combined between his passing and his rushing, and if you factor in the sacks he took, he had less than 150 yards passing. His first TD pass saw 19 of the 28 yards gained after catch. His second TD pass was 7 yards. His third TD was an overthrow miraculously caught by Boutte who gets all the credit. Minus that catch he didn't contribute 35+ air yards passing in any of their longest drives.

After Further Review: Breaking Down the Patriots Defense’s Playoff Breakout, Maye Review, and Quick-Hit Notes From Divisional Round Win vs. Texans

When your tackles can't handle the edge rushers, guess what?

Maye led the NFL in comp% and passer rating, he will be playing in the Superbowl, all that before his 24th birthday. Oh yeah might win the MVP.

Soon when talking the great NFL QB's we will be talking Drake Maye.

 

[Madmick]

When your tackles can't handle the edge rushers, guess what?

Maye led the NFL in comp% and passer rating, he will be playing in the Superbowl, all that before his 24th birthday. Oh yeah might win the MVP.

Soon when talking the great NFL QB's we will be talking Drake Maye.

Is that so? What were the block winrates of the tackles against the DE's in the game?

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Is that so? What were the block winrates of the tackles against the DE's in the game?

Yep, that's so.

So as a second year QB he led the NFL, in the MVP talk, will play in a Superbowl.

The kid is 23, what about this don't you understand?

Dude, the kid is 23, now think, ok?

 

[Madmick]

Yep, that's so.

No, I was asking you to quantify that. Because you clearly didn't read the link I provided you if you watched the game at all. Only one of his fumbles wasn't his fault, just like Purdy's blind side strip sack against the Seahawk's was 0% his fault, but unfortunately, for Maye, he had three other fumbles. His line also offered an unexpectedly dominant performance against the Texans:

In my charting, we also had Maye sharing in the responsibility for three of his four fumbles. The last strip-sack happened in a blink and was in the "no chance" category (Will Anderson's get-off on that play was an insane: 0.41s). But he caused the first strip-sack backed up near his own goal-line and was solely responsible for the punch out on what was a run play to Rhamondre Stevenson (Maye opened right and Stevenson went left). Simply put, he has to do a better job protecting the ball and knowing when the play is dead...

The other positive development was that Maye was under pressure on only 8 of his 33 drop-backs (24.2%). Although the rookie left tackle struggled, the rest of the Pats O-Line only allowed three total pressures against a good front. New England was also able to run the ball well enough in the fourth quarter to close out the game (45 rushing yards on 16 carries), so it wasn't a complete disaster against one of the NFL's best defensive lines.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

No, I was asking you to quantify that. Because you clearly didn't read the link I provided you if you watched the game at all. Only one of his fumbles wasn't his fault, just like Purdy's blind side strip sack against the Seahawk's was 0% his fault, but unfortunately, for Maye, he had three other fumbles. His line also offered an unexpectedly dominant performance against the Texans:

Dude, what football fan doesn't watch the playoffs?

So what exactly are you trying to say? Did Maye not have numbers that were the best in the NFL this season, is he not in te MVP discussion, is he not about to play in a Superbowl all before 24.

This kid has STAR written all over him and all ypou can do is talk about how the best D in the league ..........................................


What a rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Madmick]

Dude, what football fan doesn't watch the playoffs?

Then why are you making materially untrue claims about the game?

So what exactly are you trying to say? Did Maye not have numbers that were the best in the NFL this season, is he not in te MVP discussion, is he not about to play in a Superbowl all before 24.

This kid has STAR written all over him and all ypou can do is talk about how the best D in the league ..........................................


What a rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

WTF does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

This isn't about the regular season. This is about you trying to hype a pisspot showing in the playoffs like it was some sort of outstanding performance. He played like shit. He was just slightly less dookie than Stroud, so he collected the W. No need to gild it.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Then why are you making materially untrue claims about the game?

WTF does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

This isn't about the regular season. This is about you trying to hype a pisspot showing in the playoffs like it was some sort of outstanding performance. He played like shit. He was just slightly less dookie than Stroud, so he collected the W. No need to gild it.

What you aren't getting is here is a second year QB in vs the top D in the world, throwing TD passes, winning the game. I was impressed.

We read......ah hell he didn't beat anyone......ok well now he did and it;s STILL BS, why?

Dude, what is about this guy you don't like, well?

 

[Madmick]

What you aren't getting is here is a second year QB in vs the top D in the world, throwing TD passes, winning the game. I was impressed.

We read......ah hell he didn't beat anyone......ok well now he did and it;s STILL BS, why?

Dude, what is about this guy you don't like, well?

See, this is the problem. You misinterpret everything I've said in this thread to be some sort of personal attack on Maye. I am indifferent to the guy. I haven't naysayed his regular season performance, his potential, or anything like that. I'm a numbers guy. So far, the numbers for him look very good. He passes the eye test, too.

I simply pointed out on the first page that he isn't throwing behind the shittiest line in the league, which Herbert was, and I pointed out here that he didn't deliver some Montana-esque performance against the Texans. Somehow in your mind this got twisted into me hating the guy.

I don't give a shit. I'm just highlighting evident truths.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

See, this is the problem. You misinterpret everything I've said in this thread to be some sort of personal attack on Maybe. I am indifferent to the guy. I haven't naysayed his regular season performance, his potential, or anything like that. I'm a numbers guy. So far, the numbers for him look very good. He passes the eye test, too.

I simply pointed out on the first page that he isn't throwing behind the shittiest line in the league, which Herbert was, and I pointed out here that he didn't deliver some Montana-esque performance against the Texans. Somehow in your mind this got twisted into me hating the guy.

I don't give a shit. I'm just highlighting evident truths.

But......why?

It isn't totally obvious this guy is going to be a great QB, so why the bah humbug? Seeing a guy this young/inexperienced doing what he;s doing isn;t a....wow?

I don't buy it guy it's real easy to see for some reason you aren't cool about him.

And yes he's already accomplished more than Herbert.

 

[Madmick]

But......why?

It isn't totally obvious this guy is going to be a great QB, so why the bah humbug?

Because stupid shit sung in a Christmas Carol is still stupid shit?

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

Herbert has the worst protection in the league. All he needed was one pro-bowler to go 5-1. Show me what Maye can do behind that line and on that day I'll form an opinion.

The benefit we have here is we’ve already seen what Maye looks like with no offensive line at all, 0 weapons, and a incompetent coaching staff and the entire time it was quite clear he was still doing ok but ultimately struggling. But we all saw enough of a flash that his breakout wasn’t surprising.

Situationally he definitely was worse off last year than Herbert this year. But he was also a rookie.

At this point in time I’d say he’s doing extremely well for his second year and despite there being a lot of “rookie/sophmore” mistakes on this team the upside and positive moments are outweighing the mistakes.

Our rookie guard Campbell had a PFF grade of 28 in the first two games and allowrd
A ton of blindside pressures and hits. But he was also up against Khalil make and most recently Hunter. And yes, our RBs were not making correct chip blocks and Maye needs to improve his pressure sense.

But I do expect all those things will get better. I do think it’s a bit hypocritical that you’re praising Herbert for taking a 5-11 team to the playoffs his sophomore season when Maye has done something similar in terms of turn around. I’m not on the “Maye is the greatest qb in the league right now” train. But out of all of the QBs on rookie contracts he’s the one I’d prefer to have over the others. Of course only a fool would pick him over an Allen, mahomes, burrow, etc but strategically from a cap space perspective his contribution to the team in incredibly efficient. This team has 50m in cap space and is one of the lowest spend teams in the nfl. So yes, the feeling will be optimism because he has gotten to where he is so quickly without a ton of massive contracts around him, and he has performed with rookies making rookie mistakes around him. So I think it’s fair for the expectation to be that he will continue to get better and that this is not his ceiling.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Because stupid shit sung in a Christmas Carol is still stupid shit?

Singing the praises of a young guy on the verge of Superstar status is stupid shit, hahahaha~~~~

Dude, sorry you're man Herbert ain't done shit

 

[Madmick]

Singing the praises of a young guy on the verge of Superstar status is stupid shit, hahahaha~~~~

Dude, sorry you're man Herbert ain't done shit

You were praising his performance against the Texans. It's like you didn't watch the game at all.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

You were praising his performance against the Texans. It's like you didn't watch the game at all.

A 23 year old kid in vs a D being compared to that 85 Bears D, and what's he do, WINS THE GAME.

Trust me slick I don't miss NFL games, ok guy?

It was,,,,,,,fuck him he didn't beat anyone......now it;s ok he finally beat someone, BUT..........

Come on guy snap out of it.

 

[Madmick]

A 23 year old kid in vs a D being compared to that 85 Bears D, and what's he do, WINS THE GAME.

Trust me slick I don't miss NFL games, ok guy?

It was,,,,,,,fuck him he didn't beat anyone......now it;s ok he finally beat someone, BUT..........

Come on guy snap out of it.

I'll let you go back to talking to yourself while in character. So weird.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

I'll let you go back to talking to yourself while in character. So weird.

Thank you.