Throwback Just Watched Oliveira x Makhachev Again ...

[Edward Henry Greb]

Makhachev was much tighter than Dariush, in both his striking as well as his on-top ground control.

ROUND 1 (Dariush):
Even though Oliveira was on the bottom of both, Dariush "created space" ... and, within that space, Oliveira was able to rip elbows into Dariush, over and over again. When Dariush stood up, Oliveira came close with several up-kicks. Oliveira was also almost able to sink-in a heel hook. I thought Oliveira actually was the more effective striker from the bottom.

That same "space," and missed heel hook, allowed Oliveira to stand back up, bully Dariush into the fence, and then start beating on him again. Dariush's defense was weak, he got clipped, and he got KO'd.

ROUND 1 (Makhachev):
Again, Islam was tighter in his fist-fighting, and when it went to the ground (unlike Dariush), Islam did not create space, but pressured Oliveira giving him NO space. Oliveira was unable to strike effectively from the bottom, and although he launched attacks from his back, they were ineffective because he did not have the space.

Toward the end of Round 1, Islam gave Oliveira some space, attempting to ground-and-pound, etc. – and Oliveira immediately threatened with up-kicks, and literally almost had Makhachev in a triangle choke ... when the bell rang to save Makhachev.

ROUND 2 (Dariush):
Dariush didn't make it to Round 2; he was finished in round one.

ROUND 2 (Makhachev):
Oliveira comes out looking a little tired, expending more energy, flailing more in his punches; Makhachev comes out still tight, economical in his movements, more precise in his execution. Oliveira expends a lot of energy trying to take Makhachev down. Then he attempts a flying switch-knee kick – gets caught with a right hook, goes down. Makhachev dives in for Oliveira, almost gets caught with an up-kick, and then isolates Oliveira's arm up against his head, for the finishing move.

The exhausted Oliveira does not try to get out, basically accepts his demise.

The key difference in Makhachev versus Dariush was economy of movement, and tightness when in close, on the ground. When Makhachev separated from Oliveira on the ground – he too was in imminent danger. As long as he applied downward pressure, smothering Oliveira, he was at no risk.

As dynamic as Oliveira is on his feet, he wastes a lot of movement compared to Makhachev, who is calmer, tighter, and more accurate on the feet as well.

 

[Sincere Guy]

LOL@"exhausted Oliveira does not try"... The man got a knock down, totally wobbly, what do you want? It was absolutely normal getting submitted after a crack like that, you don't even know what you are talking about. Put almost any fighter with the same parameters that probably the end would be the same. Maybe you could do better, but said no one ever.

"Exhausted", really lol... Some people doesn't have any sense of reality.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

LOL@"exhausted Oliveira does not try"... The man got a knock down, totally wobbly, what do you want? It was absolutely normal getting submitted after a crack like that, you don't even know what you are talking about. Put almost any fighter with the same parameters that probably the end would be the same. Maybe you could do better, but said no one ever.

"Exhausted", really lol... Some people doesn't have any sense of reality.

Seriously Conor made it to the 4th round against khabib and people gave him shit for tapping

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

LOL@"exhausted Oliveira does not try"... The man got a knock down, totally wobbly, what do you want?

Wrong. Watch Oliveira's eyes when he falls down. It was almost an intentional "sit down," like he does with everyone else.

When Makhachev stood over him, Oliveira tried up-kick that came close to tagging Makhachev.

Makhachev then went down, and got a very tight hold, trapping Oliveira's arm. It was at that point, Oliveira gave up.

It was absolutely normal getting submitted after a crack like that, you don't even know what you are talking about. Put almost any fighter with the same parameters that probably the end would be the same. Maybe you could do better.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, soft-ass. I don't give "pardons" for hurt fighters, when I see they are clear-eyed.

I don't have to be able to "run faster than a racehorse" ... to recognize which of the two is going for the win, versus which of the two is "letting up" ...

Some people doesn't have any sense of reality, really.

Repeat that back in a mirror, soft-boy.

I know when a fighter has given it everything he has — versus a fighter recognizes he's in a bad spot and stops trying.

 

[guesswhoseback]

LOL@"exhausted Oliveira does not try"... The man got a knock down, totally wobbly, what do you want? It was absolutely normal getting submitted after a crack like that, you don't even know what you are talking about. Put almost any fighter with the same parameters that probably the end would be the same. Maybe you could do better, but said no one ever.

"Exhausted", really lol... Some people doesn't have any sense of reality.

Forgive people on here 99 percent of the people on here has never been in any sort of fight whether a friend or brother so they automatically think they can coach train and even fight

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Forgive people on here 99 percent of the people on here has never been in any sort of fight whether a friend or brother so they automatically think they can coach train and even fight

I agree, and I can tell that you are speaking from the "experience" of never having been in a fight or knowing any professional fighter

 

[fortheo]

Oliveira got up from underneath islam too, so I'd say his attacks were effective in that sense, even though I do agree that islam wss much tigher and better about staying heavy on charles' shoulders.

Islan is different fighter than dariush though, yeah. Not sure what the main point you're trying to convey is other than that

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Makhachev was much tighter than Dariush, in both his striking as well as his on-top ground control.

ROUND 1 (Dariush):
Even though Oliveira was on the bottom of both, Dariush "created space" ... and, within that space, Oliveira was able to rip elbows into Dariush, over and over again. When Dariush stood up, Oliveira came close with several up-kicks. Oliveira was also almost able to sink-in a heel hook. I thought Oliveira actually was the more effective striker from the bottom.

That same "space," and missed heel hook, allowed Oliveira to stand back up, bully Dariush into the fence, and then start beating on him again. Dariush's defense was weak, he got clipped, and he got KO'd.

ROUND 1 (Makhachev):
Again, Islam was tighter in his fist-fighting, and when it went to the ground (unlike Dariush), Islam did not create space, but pressured Oliveira giving him NO space. Oliveira was unable to strike effectively from the bottom, and although he launched attacks from his back, they were ineffective because he did not have the space.

Toward the end of Round 1, Islam gave Oliveira some space, attempting to ground-and-pound, etc. – and Oliveira immediately threatened with up-kicks, and literally almost had Makhachev in a triangle choke ... when the bell rang to save Makhachev.

ROUND 2 (Dariush):
Dariush didn't make it to Round 2; he was finished in round one.

ROUND 2 (Makhachev):
Oliveira comes out looking a little tired, expending more energy, flailing more in his punches; Makhachev comes out still tight, economical in his movements, more precise in his execution. Oliveira expends a lot of energy trying to take Makhachev down. Then he attempts a flying switch-knee kick – gets caught with a right hook, goes down. Makhachev dives in for Oliveira, almost gets caught with an up-kick, and then isolates Oliveira's arm up against his head, for the finishing move.

The exhausted Oliveira does not try to get out, basically accepts his demise.

The key difference in Makhachev versus Dariush was economy of movement, and tightness when in close, on the ground. When Makhachev separated from Oliveira on the ground – he too was in imminent danger. As long as he applied downward pressure, smothering Oliveira, he was at no risk.

As dynamic as Oliveira is on his feet, he wastes a lot of movement compared to Makhachev, who is calmer, tighter, and more accurate on the feet as well.

Yea I think the biggest difference is that Islam stayed tight and composed standing while most of Oliveira’s other opponents feel the pressure and get wild. Gaethje and Beneil both looked super uncomfortable even though they’d been able to land in Charles.

Also I agree that Charles did good damage off his back. BD wasn’t landing with much authority. Not saying I would give Charles the round (up to that point) but it was competitive.

 

[Saulo]

Oliveira got up from underneath islam too, so I'd say his attacks were effective in that sense, even though I do agree that islam wss much tigher and better about staying heavy on charles' shoulders.

Islan is different fighter than dariush though, yeah. Not sure what the main point you're trying to convey is other than that

On the ground, Islam works closed, like the brutes who created the gnp 30 years ago, with the addition of finishing techniques obviously.

 

[guesswhoseback]

I agree, and I can tell that you are speaking from the "experience" of never having been in a fight or knowing any professional fighter

Lol

 

[Randy Fandy Fo Fanders]

Makhachev was much tighter than Dariush

tell me more

 

[cburm]

I think Charles problem was he had no respect for islams striking

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Oliveira got up from underneath islam too, so I'd say his attacks were effective in that sense, even though I do agree that islam wss much tigher and better about staying heavy on charles' shoulders.

Islan is different fighter than dariush though, yeah. Not sure what the main point you're trying to convey is other than that

The point is, Oliveira's ability to be dangerous from his back relies on whether or not he is given the space to operate.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Yep, posted the same a few hours ago. Pretty much agree with your sentiment across the board.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-to-beat-islam.4295183/page-3#post-171309067

"I'm going to copy and paste this post probably 20 times until this inevitable rematch so apologies for that first. Second, Islam is right, there are levels to this. Unfortunately for Beniel he did not respect Charles's level off his back and that's what led to him taking about as much damage as he received when he was in Oliviera's guard and what frustrated him and brought the fight back to the ground with an exhausted Dariush.

As you can see in the images below, Islam immediately engaged in wrist control with Charles on the ground and never:

1) Gave Charles any space to counter-strike off the bottom
2) Never gave Charles any space even as Islam was preparing for or engaging in his own strikes
3) Always remained in a defensive shell any time Olivera's hands were not in wrist control

I'm not sure if Beniel underestimated Charles's level off his back or if Beniel just doesn't have the grind and control to his top game that Islam has. Or perhaps it's both as there's really no way to be sure. Anyways, here are the pics:

First time Charles/Islam go the ground immediately Islam starts fighting to control wrists/hands/positioning:

He takes his time, doesn't try any offense until he has the position and control he wants, and now he's ready:

Notice the technique. Charles is clenching behind Islam's head (identical vs Beniel as you will see later) but there's no room for any type of strike as Islam has head position and wrist control over Charles right hand until the moment he lets it go to strike and immediately goes back to controlling Charles's wrist.

To his credit, Charles is so damn good off his back that he does find his moments and he doesn't waste them. Literally every rewatch of this fight I'm so impressed that any second Charles can throw something off his back he instantly does. The trouble is, Islam is such a god damn defensive savant that he recognizes if he doesn't have wrist control w/ perfect head positioning that Charles is going to throw so look at this man....this is artistry right here. Charles w/ a tremendously leveraged elbow attempt only to be thwarted by the anticipation of Islam's preemptive block:

Now, here's Beniel within seconds of getting Olivera on the ground. I'm not going to sit here and tell you Beniel isn't great on the ground - of course he is. But this is all relative here. Between Charles, Beniel, and Islam they are all fantastic on the ground but there is a difference b/n elite and championship level (Khabib's words, not mine). Look how much space Beniel is giving Charles to work with as he tries to load up on shots instead of first securing positional dominance and control:

Mama Dariush didn't raise no fool though. He isn't giving up all that space and leaving himself open just to smile in Charles's guard. He was trying to do real damage.

But giving up so much space to Charles resulted in multiple dynamic and fluid transitions being forced which never lent themselves to the type of smothering top game that's required when you have an offensive BJJ and grappling wizard on his back. Here's a big shot Charles landed right on the chin as he forced Beniel to scramble to retain control (which, again, IMO was only possibly b/c Beniel went straight for offense and not positional dominance).

Here's that familiar Olivera clench behind the head as we saw against Islam earlier. I know Dariush is on top here but I swear for the next 3 seconds I'd rather be Charles 100/100. Charles is loading up a huge elbow and instead of recognizing the danger Beniel is fighting to keep his head up and attempt to gain leverage to strike himself:

And here's the next second where Charles lands a huge elbow flush:

So, honestly I'm not sure there's a lot Oliviera can do different off his back. It's more about the style he's facing. He has to get Islam out of his positional dominance/defensive-shell-until-perfect-time gameplan but that's so much easier said than done. I think if Charles can do some damage on the feet to Islam early or perhaps recognize that for the first 20-30 seconds or however long it takes all Islam is going to do is focus exclusively on establishing positional dominance. Charles needs to recognize that's HIS time to try as many sweeps or escapes as possible b/c he won't really be under duress from strikes coming his way. If Islam gets positional dominance on the ground it's going to be a repeat of the first fight where Charles feels he has to try super aggressive actions to close the distance and risks getting caught."

Appreciate your post, especially with visuals.

It seems like we concur on pretty much everything.

Dariush kept pulling his head back, creating the room for counterattacks.

Islam pretty much pulled his elbows in, got his head close, and didn't create those openings as much. Charles had to really work to do anything.

Again, toward the end of the round, Islam himself pulled back, and a whole bunch of kicking / submission efforts immediately vaulted out of Charles' arsenal.

It will be interesting to see how each adapts, if / when they rematch.

 

[Saulo]

Sim, postei o mesmo algumas horas atrás. Praticamente concordo com o seu sentimento em toda a linha.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-to-beat-islam.4295183/page-3#post-171309067

"Vou copiar e colar este post provavelmente 20 vezes até esta revanche inevitável, então peço desculpas por isso primeiro. Segundo, o Islã está certo, há níveis para isso. Infelizmente para Beniel, ele não respeitou o nível de Charles nas costas e isso o que o levou a levar quase o mesmo dano que recebeu quando estava na guarda de Oliviera e o que o frustrou e trouxe a luta de volta ao chão com um exausto Dariush.

Como você pode ver nas imagens abaixo, Islam imediatamente engajou no controle de pulso com Charles no chão e nunca:

1) Deu a Charles qualquer espaço para contra-atacar por baixo
2) Nunca deu espaço a Charles, mesmo quando o Islam estava se preparando ou se engajando em seus próprios ataques
3) Sempre permaneceu em uma concha defensiva sempre que as mãos de Olivera não estavam no controle de pulso

Não tenho certeza se Beniel subestimou o nível de Charles em suas costas ou se Beniel simplesmente não tem o grind e o controle de seu melhor jogo que o Islam tem. Ou talvez sejam os dois, pois não há como ter certeza. De qualquer forma, aqui estão as fotos:

Primeira vez que Charles/Islam vai ao chão imediatamente Islam começa a lutar para controlar pulsos/mãos/posicionamento:

Ele leva o seu tempo, não tenta nenhuma ofensiva até ter a posição e o controle que deseja, e agora está pronto:

Observe a técnica. Charles está apertando atrás da cabeça de Islam (idêntico vs Beniel, como você verá mais tarde), mas não há espaço para nenhum tipo de golpe, pois Islam tem posição de cabeça e controle de pulso sobre a mão direita de Charles até o momento em que ele a solta para atacar e imediatamente volta para controlar o pulso de Charles.

Para seu crédito, Charles é tão bom que encontra seus momentos e não os desperdiça. Literalmente, a cada revisão dessa luta, fico tão impressionado que a qualquer segundo que Charles consegue jogar algo em suas costas, ele o faz instantaneamente. O problema é que o Islã é um maldito sábio defensivo que reconhece se não tem controle de pulso com posicionamento perfeito da cabeça que Charles vai lançar, então olhe para este homem ... isso é arte aqui. Charles com uma tentativa de cotovelada tremendamente alavancada apenas para ser frustrada pela antecipação do bloqueio preventivo do Islã:

Agora, aqui está Beniel segundos depois de colocar Olivera no chão. Não vou sentar aqui e dizer que Beniel não é bom no chão - claro que é. Mas tudo isso é relativo aqui. Entre Charles, Beniel e Islam, todos são fantásticos no chão, mas há uma diferença entre a elite e o nível do campeonato (palavras de Khabib, não minhas). Veja quanto espaço Beniel está dando a Charles para trabalhar enquanto ele tenta carregar os tiros em vez de primeiro garantir o domínio e o controle posicional:

Mama Dariush não criou nenhum tolo. Ele não está abrindo mão de todo esse espaço e se abrindo apenas para sorrir na guarda de Charles. Ele estava tentando causar danos reais.

Mas ceder tanto espaço para Charles resultou em múltiplas transições dinâmicas e fluidas sendo forçadas, o que nunca se prestou ao tipo de jogo sufocante necessário quando você tem um Jiu-Jitsu ofensivo e um mago grappling nas costas. Aqui está um figurão que Charles acertou bem no queixo enquanto forçava Beniel a lutar para manter o controle (o que, novamente, a IMO era possível porque Beniel foi direto para o ataque e não para o domínio posicional).

Aqui está aquele conhecido aperto atrás da cabeça de Olivera, como vimos anteriormente contra o Islã. Eu sei que Dariush está no topo aqui, mas juro pelos próximos 3 segundos que prefiro ser Charles 100/100. Charles está carregando um enorme cotovelo e, em vez de reconhecer o perigo, Beniel está lutando para manter a cabeça erguida e tentar ganhar força para atacar a si mesmo:

E aqui está o segundo seguinte em que Charles acerta uma enorme cotovelada:

Então, honestamente, não tenho certeza se há muito que Oliviera possa fazer de diferente por conta própria. É mais sobre o estilo que ele está enfrentando. Ele tem que tirar o Islã de seu plano de jogo de domínio posicional/defensivo até o momento perfeito, mas isso é muito mais fácil dizer do que fazer. Acho que se Charles puder causar algum dano ao Islã no início ou talvez reconhecer isso nos primeiros 20 a 30 segundos ou no tempo que for necessário, tudo o que o Islã fará é se concentrar exclusivamente em estabelecer o domínio posicional. Charles precisa reconhecer que é a hora DELE de tentar o máximo possível de varreduras ou fugas, porque ele não estará realmente sob pressão de golpes vindo em sua direção.Se Islam obtiver domínio posicional no chão, será uma repetição da primeira luta, onde Charles sente que deve tentar ações super agressivas para diminuir a distância e corre o risco de ser pego."

Sim, postei o mesmo algumas horas atrás. Praticamente concordo com o seu sentimento em toda a linha.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-to-beat-islam.4295183/page-3#post-171309067

"Vou copiar e colar este post provavelmente 20 vezes até esta revanche inevitável, então peço desculpas por isso primeiro. Segundo, o Islã está certo, há níveis para isso. Infelizmente para Beniel, ele não respeitou o nível de Charles nas costas e isso o que o levou a levar quase o mesmo dano que recebeu quando estava na guarda de Oliviera e o que o frustrou e trouxe a luta de volta ao chão com um exausto Dariush.

Como você pode ver nas imagens abaixo, Islam imediatamente engajou no controle de pulso com Charles no chão e nunca:

1) Deu a Charles qualquer espaço para contra-atacar por baixo
2) Nunca deu espaço a Charles, mesmo quando o Islam estava se preparando ou se engajando em seus próprios ataques
3) Sempre permaneceu em uma concha defensiva sempre que as mãos de Olivera não estavam no controle de pulso

Não tenho certeza se Beniel subestimou o nível de Charles em suas costas ou se Beniel simplesmente não tem o grind e o controle de seu melhor jogo que o Islam tem. Ou talvez sejam os dois, pois não há como ter certeza. De qualquer forma, aqui estão as fotos:

Primeira vez que Charles/Islam vai ao chão imediatamente Islam começa a lutar para controlar pulsos/mãos/posicionamento:

Ele leva o seu tempo, não tenta nenhuma ofensiva até ter a posição e o controle que deseja, e agora está pronto:

Observe a técnica. Charles está apertando atrás da cabeça de Islam (idêntico vs Beniel, como você verá mais tarde), mas não há espaço para nenhum tipo de golpe, pois Islam tem posição de cabeça e controle de pulso sobre a mão direita de Charles até o momento em que ele a solta para atacar e imediatamente volta para controlar o pulso de Charles.

Para seu crédito, Charles é tão bom que encontra seus momentos e não os desperdiça. Literalmente, a cada revisão dessa luta, fico tão impressionado que a qualquer segundo que Charles consegue jogar algo em suas costas, ele o faz instantaneamente. O problema é que o Islã é um maldito sábio defensivo que reconhece se não tem controle de pulso com posicionamento perfeito da cabeça que Charles vai lançar, então olhe para este homem ... isso é arte aqui. Charles com uma tentativa de cotovelada tremendamente alavancada apenas para ser frustrada pela antecipação do bloqueio preventivo do Islã:

Agora, aqui está Beniel segundos depois de colocar Olivera no chão. Não vou sentar aqui e dizer que Beniel não é bom no chão - claro que é. Mas tudo isso é relativo aqui. Entre Charles, Beniel e Islam, todos são fantásticos no chão, mas há uma diferença entre a elite e o nível do campeonato (palavras de Khabib, não minhas). Veja quanto espaço Beniel está dando a Charles para trabalhar enquanto ele tenta carregar os tiros em vez de primeiro garantir o domínio e o controle posicional:

Mama Dariush não criou nenhum tolo. Ele não está abrindo mão de todo esse espaço e se abrindo apenas para sorrir na guarda de Charles. Ele estava tentando causar danos reais.

Mas ceder tanto espaço para Charles resultou em múltiplas transições dinâmicas e fluidas sendo forçadas, o que nunca se prestou ao tipo de jogo sufocante necessário quando você tem um Jiu-Jitsu ofensivo e um mago grappling nas costas. Aqui está um figurão que Charles acertou bem no queixo enquanto forçava Beniel a lutar para manter o controle (o que, novamente, a IMO era possível porque Beniel foi direto para o ataque e não para o domínio posicional).

Aqui está aquele conhecido aperto atrás da cabeça de Olivera, como vimos anteriormente contra o Islã. Eu sei que Dariush está no topo aqui, mas juro pelos próximos 3 segundos que prefiro ser Charles 100/100. Charles está carregando um enorme cotovelo e, em vez de reconhecer o perigo, Beniel está lutando para manter a cabeça erguida e tentar ganhar força para atacar a si mesmo:

E aqui está o segundo seguinte em que Charles acerta uma enorme cotovelada:

Então, honestamente, não tenho certeza se há muito que Oliviera possa fazer de diferente por conta própria. É mais sobre o estilo que ele está enfrentando. Ele tem que tirar o Islã de seu plano de jogo de domínio posicional/defensivo até o momento perfeito, mas isso é muito mais fácil dizer do que fazer. Acho que se Charles puder causar algum dano ao Islã no início ou talvez reconhecer isso nos primeiros 20 a 30 segundos ou no tempo que for necessário, tudo o que o Islã fará é se concentrar exclusivamente em estabelecer o domínio posicional. Charles precisa reconhecer que é a hora DELE de tentar o máximo possível de varreduras ou fugas, porque ele não estará realmente sob pressão de golpes vindo em sua direção.Se Islam obtiver domínio posicional no chão, será uma repetição da primeira luta, onde Charles sente que deve tentar ações super agressivas para diminuir a distância e corre o risco de ser pego."

A melhor forma do Charles é evitar o clinch, é através dele que o Islam consegue as quedas na maioria das vezes, assim que você pegar o Islam por cima ele vai te manter lá aplicando gnp até o final do round, quem trabalha fechado como ele não dá muita chance aos finalizadores, mesmo os de elite como Charles.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Makhachev was much tighter than Dariush, in both his striking as well as his on-top ground control.

ROUND 1 (Dariush):
Even though Oliveira was on the bottom of both, Dariush "created space" ... and, within that space, Oliveira was able to rip elbows into Dariush, over and over again. When Dariush stood up, Oliveira came close with several up-kicks. Oliveira was also almost able to sink-in a heel hook. I thought Oliveira actually was the more effective striker from the bottom.

That same "space," and missed heel hook, allowed Oliveira to stand back up, bully Dariush into the fence, and then start beating on him again. Dariush's defense was weak, he got clipped, and he got KO'd.

ROUND 1 (Makhachev):
Again, Islam was tighter in his fist-fighting, and when it went to the ground (unlike Dariush), Islam did not create space, but pressured Oliveira giving him NO space. Oliveira was unable to strike effectively from the bottom, and although he launched attacks from his back, they were ineffective because he did not have the space.

Toward the end of Round 1, Islam gave Oliveira some space, attempting to ground-and-pound, etc. – and Oliveira immediately threatened with up-kicks, and literally almost had Makhachev in a triangle choke ... when the bell rang to save Makhachev.

ROUND 2 (Dariush):
Dariush didn't make it to Round 2; he was finished in round one.

ROUND 2 (Makhachev):
Oliveira comes out looking a little tired, expending more energy, flailing more in his punches; Makhachev comes out still tight, economical in his movements, more precise in his execution. Oliveira expends a lot of energy trying to take Makhachev down. Then he attempts a flying switch-knee kick – gets caught with a right hook, goes down. Makhachev dives in for Oliveira, almost gets caught with an up-kick, and then isolates Oliveira's arm up against his head, for the finishing move.

The exhausted Oliveira does not try to get out, basically accepts his demise.

The key difference in Makhachev versus Dariush was economy of movement, and tightness when in close, on the ground. When Makhachev separated from Oliveira on the ground – he too was in imminent danger. As long as he applied downward pressure, smothering Oliveira, he was at no risk.

As dynamic as Oliveira is on his feet, he wastes a lot of movement compared to Makhachev, who is calmer, tighter, and more accurate on the feet as well.

The bell saved Islam?

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

The bell saved Islam?

Watch the end of Round 1: Islam gave Oliveira some space, almost got up-kicked, immediately after which Oliveira caught Islam in the beginnings of a triangle-choke. Then the bell rang.

Obviously, I cannot say for sure whether Oliveira would have finished Islam, but Islam was in a bad spot — against the best finisher in UFC history.

Really watched the tape.

 

[fortheo]

The point is, Oliveira's ability to be dangerous from his back relies on whether or not he is given the space to operate.

I know, and my point was that even though Islam doesn't leave much space, Charles still managed to make space and threaten enough to get back to his feet. This is my read on the first grappling exchanges in that fight:

Islam landed in half guard if I remember correctly, then charles re-gained guard, threatening an armbar to triangle transition. Islam postures out, goes to half guard again and applies heavy shoulder pressure, charles creates space, uses deep half to transition to a leg attack and comes up behind Islam on a body lock in order to get back to his feet.

He effectively used his offensive guard to threaten Islam enough in order to get back to his feet.

Islam and Charles match up well on the ground.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I know, and my point was that even though Islam doesn't leave much space, Charles still managed to make space and threaten enough to get back to his feet. This is my read on the first grappling exchanges in that fight:

Islam landed in half guard if I remember correctly, then charles re-gained guard, threatening an armbar to triangle transition. Islam postures out, goes to half guard again and applies heavy shoulder pressure, charles creates space, uses deep half to transition to a leg attack and comes up behind Islam on a body lock in order to get back to his feet.

He effectively used his offensive guard to threaten Islam enough in order to get back to his feet.

Islam and Charles match up well on the ground.

I would recommend watching both fights again, back-to-back.

Dariush is sloppy, pulled his head back, creates space.
Islam is tighter, keeps his head tucked close to Charles' body, gives virtually no space.

Same with punching technique.

 

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I would recommend watching both fights again, back-to-back.

Dariush is sloppy, pulled his head back, creates space.
Islam is tighter, keeps his head tucked close to Charles' body, gives virtually no space.

Same with punching technique.

Dariush didn't fear Oliveira's Bjj as much as islam, that's why. He also shut down Charles leg entries better than Islam did. Islam exposed his back to escape one of Charles leg attacks, which allowed Charles to get the body lock and come up from behind. Islam was tighter, I already agreed, but the end result of Charles being offensive enough to get back to his feet was the same with both guys.