Throwback Just Watched Oliveira x Makhachev Again ...

[Edward Henry Greb]

Dariush didn't fear Oliveira's Bjj as much as islam, that's why. He also shut down Charles leg entries better than Islam did. Islam exposed his back to escape one of Charles leg attacks, which allowed Charles to get the body lock and come up from behind. Islam was tighter, I already agreed, but the end result of Charles being offensive enough to get back to his feet was the same with both guys.

Will have to agree to disagree. You can think what you want.

At the end of the day (in my opinion), Dariush was sloppy, was pulling backward a lot — while Islam was cleaner, and moving forward and in to Oliveira, especially in the grappling.

Dariush appeared unnerved, and lost, and gave Oliveira too much space.
Islam appeared focused, and purposeful, giving Oliveira little room to breathe.

That's my take, and I am sticking to it.

 

[Luthien]

Charles gets it done this time

 

[fortheo]

Will have to agree to disagree. You can think what you want.

At the end of the day (in my opinion), Dariush was sloppy, was pulling backward a lot — while Islam was cleaner, and moving forward and in to Oliveira, especially in the grappling.

Dariush appeared unnerved and lost
Islam appeared focused and purposeful

That's my take, and I am sticking to it.

It's all good. We disagree often lol. You need to give space to throw decent gnp, though, and Dariush was just far more willing to do that than the always careful islam.

 

[Sincere Guy]

Seriously Conor made it to the 4th round against khabib and people gave him shit for tapping

Conor was pretty tired, he was really exhausted, much different than Charles. That individual TS said Charles got exhausted with that poker face like Charles never got wobbled because of the knockdown. This kid needs head treatment asap, casual af. But I got your point, Conor fought bravely, yes.

And still about Conor, you as a fan know that Conor's problem is like pride, not only him but many successful fighters. In his case, he always prefers to give necks than be ktfo by someone. I don't mind that behavior, one can be what he wants. After all, he was the one who tkoed everyone, it must be weird to him imagining getting the same treatment, I guess.

 

[Wonderfight]

Wrong. Watch Oliveira's eyes when he falls down. It was almost an intentional "sit down," like he does with everyone else.

When Makhachev stood over him, Oliveira tried up-kick that came close to tagging Makhachev.

Makhachev then went down, and got a very tight hold, trapping Oliveira's arm. It was at that point, Oliveira gave up.




I know exactly what I'm talking about, soft-ass. I don't give "pardons" for hurt fighters, when I see they are clear-eyed.

I don't have to be able to "run faster than a racehorse" ... to recognize which of the two is going for the win, versus which of the two is "letting up" ...



Repeat that back in a mirror, soft-boy.

I know when a fighter has given it everything he has — versus a fighter recognizes he's in a bad spot and stops trying.

When you see the are clear-eyed… Yeah now everything is clear. Man, he was hurt and submitted because of it, it is not the first time, we have seen ADDC winners tap out to people not even close to their level in BJJ by just being extremely tired and hurt… This is mma and have you ever even seen Islam attacka the submission before he tired out or hurt the opponent? Dagestani guys are not that good at BJJ. They will attack the sub only when there is a clear chance. Of course that is smart by them, but what you are saying is retarded. He got submitted because he was hurt really obviously.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

When you see the are clear-eyed… Yeah now everything is clear. Man, he was hurt and submitted because of it, it is not the first time, we have seen ADDC winners tap out to people not even close to their level in BJJ by just being extremely tired and hurt… This is mma and have you ever even seen Islam attacka the submission before he tired out or hurt the opponent? Dagestani guys are not that good at BJJ. They will attack the sub only when there is a clear chance. Of course that is smart by them, but what you are saying is retarded. He got submitted because he was hurt really obviously.

Calling me retarded is unethical on this forum. You might get a yellow card.

Anyone who has watched Charles' latest fights knows that he very often "falls back down" easily, after getting clipped. He does this to lure people in, remove the fistic threat while on his feet.

Charles was NOT hurt that bad.
People who are really hurt don't immediately throw up-kicks aimed directly at the chin, like Charles did. You have to have your wits about you to do this. And Charles did.

The truth is Charles was getting fatigued, and demoralized, as he had in so many previous fights – where he flagrantly "quit and gave up the ghost" ...

I am a Charles fan, but I am not blind.

This is basically what he did against Islam, as he had many times previously: got hurt, tired, and quit.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Wrong. Watch Oliveira's eyes when he falls down. It was almost an intentional "sit down," like he does with everyone else.

When Makhachev stood over him, Oliveira tried up-kick that came close to tagging Makhachev.

Makhachev then went down, and got a very tight hold, trapping Oliveira's arm. It was at that point, Oliveira gave up.




I know exactly what I'm talking about, soft-ass. I don't give "pardons" for hurt fighters, when I see they are clear-eyed.

I don't have to be able to "run faster than a racehorse" ... to recognize which of the two is going for the win, versus which of the two is "letting up" ...



Repeat that back in a mirror, soft-boy.

I know when a fighter has given it everything he has — versus a fighter recognizes he's in a bad spot and stops trying.

You don’t know shit. You embody Dunning-Kruger and spew your ignorance while trying to convince yourself that it’s fact.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

You don’t know shit. You embody Dunning-Kruger and spew your ignorance while trying to convince yourself that it’s fact.

I have forgotten more than you know, junior.

 

[Rank Squatter]

Seriously Conor made it to the 4th round against khabib and people gave him shit for tapping

panic wrestler he his

 

[Here's Johnny!]

My memory of the fight was that charles and Islam were pretty even in the grappling and Islam surprised charles by his clean striking literally rocking him in the first and second setting up the submission finish from a rocked surprised and defeated Charles... and I'm saying this as a Charles fan. P.s. I thought Islam beat Volk for the exact same reasons and I'm saying that as a volk fan. I'm not an Islam fan at all...

 

[Noraaq]

Oliviera doesn’t quit when he’s in a fire fight. He quits when his attacks are negated, the pace is slowed down, and doubt starts to creep in.

Islams team understand the psychology of Charles, whereas Dustin/Justin/Dariush got it completely wrong.

 

[legcramp]

Islam's grappling and control is as good as it gets.

 

[Poirierfan]

Forgive people on here 99 percent of the people on here has never been in any sort of fight whether a friend or brother so they automatically think they can coach train and even fight

Actually, a lot of the people on here have trained in one form or another, if not actually fought, including myself. However,.that doesn't make our opinions anymore more valid or right most of the time. Lol

 

[Steve Fox]

Watch the end of Round 1: Islam gave Oliveira some space, almost got up-kicked, immediately after which Oliveira caught Islam in the beginnings of a triangle-choke. Then the bell rang.

Obviously, I cannot say for sure whether Oliveira would have finished Islam, but Islam was in a bad spot — against the best finisher in UFC history.

Really watched the tape.

That is very true. Completely forgot about this, GIF for reference. The up-kick is around 8 seconds left to the end of the round.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

That is very true. Completely forgot about this, GIF for reference. The up-kick is around 8 seconds left to the end of the round.

Yes ... let the tape go a bit longer.

Makhachev was in imminent threat of a triangle, when the bell rang.

 

[Steve Fox]

Yes ... let the tape go a bit longer.

Makhachev was in imminent threat of a triangle, when the bell rang.

Even Khabib looks apprehensive when it happens.

Charles was controlling the left hand, Islam right arm was also in a shit position for pressure if the choke began, you are right! This was a killer setup.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Even Khabib looks apprehensive when it happens.

Charles was controlling the left hand, Islam right arm was also in a shit position for pressure if the choke began, you are right! This was a killer setup.

Yes, no one ever mentions this ...

And yet ... THE TOP submission killer (in the entire history of the UFC) had Islam setup for a triangle (after an up-kick to the face) ... but then the bell rang.

 

[Steve Fox]

Yes, no one ever mentions this ...

And yet ... THE TOP submission killer in the entire UFC had Islam setup for a triangle (after an up-kick to the face) ... but then the bell rang.

Dude! Spot on! Love it!

 

[Wonderfight]

Calling me retarded is unethical on this forum. You might get a yellow card.

Anyone who has watched Charles' latest fights knows that he very often "falls back down" easily, after getting clipped. He does this to lure people in, remove the fistic threat while on his feet.

Charles was NOT hurt that bad.
People who are really hurt don't immediately throw up-kicks aimed directly at the chin, like Charles did. You have to have your wits about you to do this. And Charles did.

The truth is Charles was getting fatigued, and demoralized, as he had in so many previous fights – where he flagrantly "quit and gave up the ghost" ...

I am a Charles fan, but I am not blind.

This is basically what he did against Islam, as he had many times previously: got hurt, tired, and quit.

Yes I did cross the line, no need for that.

But you have said it yourself, hurt and fatigued… That is all I am saying. His style is definitely not smart, win or lose, but there was a reason why the sub was so easy. He was HURT and TIRED against guy who has a style to finish fights when exactly those opportunities arise.
If you think that the sole reason he fell was so that he can lure someone down or something like that, well you mistaken. Difference is, Islam went after him instantly while he was rocked and tired, something his other opponents didn’t do, even though he was also hurt and they could potentially finish him. There was no ghost here, Islam was just a smarter fighter who was ready for Oliveira’s mistake when he is already tired. I see no other fighter escaping this situation unless they are fully present and with great grappling technique to boot.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Yes I did cross the line, no need for that.

But you have said it yourself, hurt and fatigued… That is all I am saying. His style is definitely not smart, win or lose, but there was a reason why the sub was so easy. He was HURT and TIRED against guy who has a style to finish fights when exactly those opportunities arise.
If you think that the sole reason he fell was so that he can lure someone down or something like that, well you mistaken. Difference is, Islam went after him instantly while he was rocked and tired, something his other opponents didn’t do, even though he was also hurt and they could potentially finish him. There was no ghost here, Islam was just a smarter fighter who was ready for Oliveira’s mistake when he is already tired. I see no other fighter escaping this situation unless they are fully present and with great grappling technique to boot.

I don't disagree with your argument.

There is actually a video out there, with Khabib himself showing how to get out of an arm-triangle.

Your observations are in alignment with my own. I am not disagreeing with the strategy or timeline sequences.

What I'm disagreeing with is when Islam's finishing attempt was made, Charles made NO EFFORT to get out. He accepted it.

There were a multitude of techniques available to Charles to get out of that submission effort ... but he attempted none of them.

In watching fights for over 40 years, I have seen plenty of fighters who will never stop trying to win.

Again, I am a fan of Charles, he is exciting and reckless. But he is a wildcard.

At any moment, where he is fatigued, dominated, and "assesses he can't win" ... he is liable to QUIT ... without any further effort.