Just realized something that'll piss yall off

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

if Fedor went to UFC in 03 he wouldn’t have dropped the belt until he fought Cain

 

[BowserJr]

And here I was thinking you couldn’t compare common opponents because “MMA math doesn’t work.”

Usually mma math not working is when people make claims like

martins>islam>Oliveira

Therefore Martins>Oliveira

Furthermore you can also look at styles, strengths, weaknesses, size and how many common opponents and those opponents styles to make an informed assessment beyond A>B>C

 

[PaulieVegas27]

If the top 3 HW from pride went to UFC in 2003, then Fedor would have been HW champ from 2003 - 2008 at worst.

He beat AA, Tim, Mir, CC, Nog.

Tim, AA, Mir, Randy were the champs through that time. Those are his contemporaries. It didnt change up until Brock and even then IMO Fedor likely TKOs him. But let's assume Brock wins being that Fedor lost that year.

Fedor would have been champ for 5+ yrs with 12 title defenses.

No way Gan, Eilers or Buentello beat him. He beat Monson. That leaves Randy and Gonzaga.

Fedor beat all common opponents with Randy more impressively. All indications is a win for Fedor

Thats leaves Gonzaga... I seriously doubt Gonzaga would win but I guess you never know.

Absolute worst case scenario Fedor still would have an insanely long title run with double digit defenses.

And yes I know some of those actual title fights that happened were rematches but the HW title fight cadence wouldn't be much different.

That doesn't piss me off at all. Prime Fedor beat prime everyone else in Pride, and then beat in Affliction the two best UFC HW fighters of the era.

Anyone who thinks Stipe, Cain, Jones, or Werdum are the best HW fighter of all time needs to be thrown off a cliff. Fedor is the HW goat. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong.

 

[Khaosan]

I'm literally shaking.

 

[snugglecakes]

Fedor would have been bodied by Brock. Bigfoot silva plooked fedor using nothing but weight bullying and zero skill. Fedor was a 230lbs cruiser weight is loser weight. Brock woulda come in at 280ish pounds like bigfoot did and impose his will. Beating up Zulu cans does not make fedor the david that slayed Goliath. Goliath musta been a total fucking can just like the Zulus and Hong mans that fedor beat.

Fedor got taken down by middleweight kevin randleman, middleweight chael sonnen, Light heavyweight Coleman, round 1 flattened twice by light heavyweight Bader, reversed and uppercut KOed by middleweight hendo, etc. Brock would have kept him down and got a gnp finish. What was the average size of fedor's pride competition?

Just because pride had a better heavyweight division for a bit, does not mean Pride's heavyweight division wasn't also garage. It was just less garbage than mid 2000s UFC. More people need to admit that all of heavyweight was shit at the time. Some orgs where just a little less shitty than others.

 

[Prazeres]

Fedor would have been bodied by Brock. Bigfoot silva plooked fedor using nothing but weight bullying and zero skill. Fedor was a 230lbs cruiser weight is loser weight. Brock woulda come in at 280ish pounds like bigfoot did and impose his will. Beating up Zulu cans does not make fedor the david that slayed Goliath. Goliath musta been a total fucking can just like the Zulus and Hong mans that fedor beat.

Fedor got taken down by middleweight kevin randleman, middleweight chael sonnen, Light heavyweight Coleman, round 1 flattened twice by light heavyweight Bader, reversed and uppercut KOed by middleweight hendo, etc. Brock would have kept him down and got a gnp finish. What was the average size of fedor's pride competition?

Just because pride had a better heavyweight division for a bit, does not mean Pride's heavyweight division wasn't also garage. It was just less garbage than mid 2000s UFC. More people need to admit that all of heavyweight was shit at the time. Some orgs where just a little less shitty than others.

don't forget that he had to grab the ropes to not get taken down by middleweight Matt Linland.

A big reason why there were less fat blobs in pride heavyweight division is that a significant portions of the guys that competed there and in openweight would be LHW or MW today.

Brock would very easily take Fedor down, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibily he finds a submission from his back since Brock really wasn't that better from the one dimensional specialist Fedor fought in Pride, just bigger and more athletic.
However, a real heavyweight with good wrestling and modern submission defence (somebody like Blaydes or Stipe) would be a nightmare for Fedor. Those are however very rare due to how shallow the division still is.

 

[BowserJr]

if Fedor went to UFC in 03 he wouldn’t have dropped the belt until he fought Cain

Thats how I see it.

And the 2 main reasons he'd lose to Cain is the amount of mileage and the combination of decent chin, cage wrestling, striking and size Cain had.

Randy had good cage wrestling too but lesser chin, striking, smaller. Lesnar had weaker sub defense, striking, and chin.

 

[BowserJr]

if Fedor went to UFC in 03 he wouldn’t have dropped the belt until he fought Cain

Thats how I see it.

And the 2 main reasons he'd lose to Cain is the amount of mileage and the combination of decent chin, cage wrestling, striking and size Cain had.

Randy had good cage wrestling too but lesser chin, striking, smaller. Lesnar had weaker sub defense, striking, and chin

Fedor would have been bodied by Brock. Bigfoot silva plooked fedor using nothing but weight bullying and zero skill. Fedor was a 230lbs cruiser weight is loser weight. Brock woulda come in at 280ish pounds like bigfoot did and impose his will. Beating up Zulu cans does not make fedor the david that slayed Goliath. Goliath musta been a total fucking can just like the Zulus and Hong mans that fedor beat.

Fedor got taken down by middleweight kevin randleman, middleweight chael sonnen, Light heavyweight Coleman, round 1 flattened twice by light heavyweight Bader, reversed and uppercut KOed by middleweight hendo, etc. Brock would have kept him down and got a gnp finish. What was the average size of fedor's pride competition?

Just because pride had a better heavyweight division for a bit, does not mean Pride's heavyweight division wasn't also garage. It was just less garbage than mid 2000s UFC. More people need to admit that all of heavyweight was shit at the time. Some orgs where just a little less shitty than others.

Do you think the UFC HW division was better circa 2017 compared to pride/ufc 2001-2008?

 

[BowserJr]

don't forget that he had to grab the ropes to not get taken down by middleweight Matt Linland.

A big reason why there were less fat blobs in pride heavyweight division is that a significant portions of the guys that competed there and in openweight would be LHW or MW today.

Brock would very easily take Fedor down, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibily he finds a submission from his back since Brock really wasn't that better from the one dimensional specialist Fedor fought in Pride, just bigger and more athletic.
However, a real heavyweight with good wrestling and modern submission defence (somebody like Blaydes or Stipe) would be a nightmare for Fedor. Those are however very rare due to how shallow the division still is.

I overall agree but Stipe is not known for great wrestling offense. He's well rounded and has decent tdd but he's not taking people down at will... neither is blaydes for that matter and Blaydes striking is not that great.

Prime Tim, Nog, CC, JDS, and AA likely beat Blaydes.

I also wouldnt be surprised if prime Barnett beats Stipe too

 

[Bojka]

The big question during Fedor's reign was how he would've done vs Ubereem, who was another contemporary of his.

 

[BowserJr]

The big question during Fedor's reign was how he would've done vs Ubereem, who was another contemporary of his.

He sort of was. But Overeem was young in Pride and he really hit his stride right after Pride ended. Same with Werdum. They were kind of the 1st of the new generation, with Cain, JDS, Carwin, Gonzaga being the younger guys of that next gen.

Reem was definitely the big match that never happened in Strikeforce