Just re-watched GSP vs Hendricks:

Any time your opponent is paying to have you tested, you better be super skeptical or you are a dumbass. It's why they have arms-length clauses typically used in contract law.

True, but it's even sketchier to say you'll do testing but only under specific testing, then act like the other person is suspect for trying to make sure that testing is actually legit. At least offering to pay for it can be perceived as a naive, well intended gesture.

GSP tapped Hendricks

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what are you even trying to imply? that hendricks tapped out after GSP already let go of a shitty guillotine from... top half guard?
 
True, but it's even sketchier to say you'll do testing but only under specific testing, then act like the other person is suspect for trying to make sure that testing is actually legit. At least offering to pay for it can be perceived as a naive, well intended gesture.



what are you even trying to imply? that hendricks tapped out after GSP already let go of a shitty guillotine from... top half guard?

That wasn't a shitty guillotine attempt. It was pretty damn tight at first and forced Hendricks to give up position and scramble to escape. It was actually a beautiful guillotine attempt, just rushed. But yeah, that definitely wasn't a tap.
 
I may be wrong but I remember Hendricks being weirdly uncomfortable with wanting to agree to stricter drug testing per GSPs request, I found it kinda weird then.

Scar Tissue is a legit excuse, look at any Nate, Bisping fight, sometimes guys just get opened up by anything, it doesnt have any correlation to how a fight should be scored.

I didn't have a problem with him balking at the testing issue. GSP already blew Hendricks off for the Diaz fight and then wanted to get all gung-ho about testing.
 
I may be wrong but I remember Hendricks being weirdly uncomfortable with wanting to agree to stricter drug testing per GSPs request, I found it kinda weird then.

Scar Tissue is a legit excuse, look at any Nate, Bisping fight, sometimes guys just get opened up by anything, it doesnt have any correlation to how a fight should be scored.
He was "uncomfortable" because GSP's attorney was asking for predetermined times for testing and wanted to know what exactly they were testing for, according to Hendricks' manager
 
Big Rigg retired GSP. The most complete WW ever
But he came back and defeated one of the best ever middle wieght champs in The Count Bisping. Silva would have kissed the mat all day of they ever fought. Izzy the girly boy would too. GSP too much of a man for that weebo.b
 
Big GSP fan here.

1. Pre-USADA Jonny Hendricks was a bad matchup for GSP.
2. GSP took Hendricks's best hits and kept moving forward.
3. I scored the fight even going into the 5th and at that point Jonny had nothing left.
4. The fight wasn't a robbery but we were all robbed of GSP vs. Hendricks 2.
 
1 Gsp has power but it isnt the focus of his MMA game..but hes dropped enough guys in his career to say he has decent power

2. Some.guys mark up easier then others...GSP is one of those guys...nick. condit and bj penn marked him up too but they all lost as well...

3.Im fairly confident hendricks was on something..or definitely heavily using IVs for sure because after those bans and regulations came into effect he fell off super hard..also he was really opposed to extra testing and oddly enough this was the first fight GSP ever mentioned testing as if he knew some inside info on hendricks and hendricks wanted no part of extra testing prior to the fight..seems suspect...but who knows

GSP fan..for sure more then hendricks..

GSP took rounds 1,3,5 ...all the damage GSP received was just in one round of 5...and that wont win u a fight ever..people just got surprised how well hendricks fought in comparison to other GSP opponents and got swayed into thinking he won..plus hendricks coasted a round 5 in a super close title fight as a contender...that right there is a recipe for disappointment

I do wish they fought again just so GSP can shut him down for good...GSP is phenomenall in rematchs and likely beats Hendrick soundly
 
Some still get upset by the decision but it's really not a bad one in the vast scheme of things and I'm one of the people who scored it for Hendricks on initial viewing.

Clear case of each of the guys taking 2 rounds apiece and the one round where it was tough to tell who took it was the determining round. I think Hendricks did well in the first but GSP assuredly had his moments too.

Then there's people who even though they think round by round (how fights are scored, you know, always) might have been arguable for GSP but Hendricks clearly "won" the overall fight- meaning he did way better in the rounds that he won than GSP did in the rounds that he took. I don't buy that one either.

In my view, Hendricks had one lopsided round- the one where he took GSP down- something virtually no one was doing at the time, and kep him grounded- even more rare. That was round 4. Round 2 is marked by hyperbole of Hendricks nearly knocked GSP out variety but it just wasn't how it played out. He landed a great combo that really rattled St.-Pierre and he went after him but he never dropped him, never had him close to stoppage and GSP had already started to change the momentum of the round in the latter half. Of course, Hendricks' early damage was the most significant aspect of the round so GSP's later control wasn't enough to turn the cards by any means but there's people who view that round as though it was a 10-8.

GSP showed the heart of a champ taking the round he needed to take deep in the fight.

Hendricks looked as good as he ever had and better. It was a hugely impressive performance but I think it was also one of those scenarios where the guy who was expected to get shut out (as good as everyone knew Hendricks was) looked great so it made the performance seem even more dominant because of the exceeding expectations.
 
That wasn't a shitty guillotine attempt. It was pretty damn tight at first and forced Hendricks to give up position and scramble to escape. It was actually a beautiful guillotine attempt, just rushed. But yeah, that definitely wasn't a tap.

right its a miscommunication because i wanted to be concise. the guillotine was great when he swept with it. it wasn't great at the point of the suggested "tap"
 
1) There's been talk of GSP lacking power, especially in that fight. Do you buy that?

No, it’s a ufc champion problem. Look at jones or even stipe he has finished only one fifty year old exhausted DC since 2016. Ufc champs don’t go for finishes they turn into point fighters



2) GSP face looked much worse than Hendricks. I heard old scar tissue can cause that. What are your thoughts?

With that logic bj penn beat GSP too


3) I thought Hendricks had been popped by USADA, but looking I cant find any records stating he has. Since speculation is illegal, ill ask it this way: Do you think the guys were on an even playing field supplement wise?


No they weren’t on an even playing field supplement wise. GSP even ten years later can come back in better shape than once upon a time in shape cause I was pharmaceutically enhanced Hendricks
 
Going off my memory I remember every time Johnny threw something GSP countered plus extras that Johnny couldnt. I remember standing up and saying GSP won because of that.

1. He doesnt lack power. He economized his striking to last the entire fight just like he always did.

2. No doubt his face looked worse but it is irrelevent to the outcome of the fight.

3. GSP

If i can find this fight ill watch it again and see if my memory is correct and if I was right tje first time.
 
Regardless who won the truth is if you didn't like it you didn't have a problem with the result, you have a problem with the 10-9 must system
 
1. GSP is not a power puncher but if he has to i believe he has decent enough power, just look at how he's built. you can't be that fucking big, a professional fighter let alone a champion and considered to be one of the greatest fighters of all time if you didn't have at least decent power.

2. GSP's face doesn't really matter, his faced was mauled when he fought BJ Penn too, but that was mostly from jabs and an eye poke. GSP won the fight.
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3. i don't know how you can measure this. they were using the same exact supplements? no i don't think so, but do i think it was fair? yes.

4. i can't really say i like either guy. i don't like Hendricks because he wasted his talent with his undisciplined attitude and i don't like GSP because i think he could've put on way more exciting fights but didn't because he was afraid to take the chance and go for finishes.
 
I barely remember it because GSP fights put me to sleep.

As for #5..... Johnny may have won BUT, the old rule of, “You must beat the champ”. applies.

Yoel beat Robert the 2nd time but unfortunately it wasn’t enough to take a belt away.

A fair rule in my opinion.

What is the reasoning behind that rule?

You score each round and then after the fight is over and it was close you go back and see which round you can take away from the challenger?
 
True, but it's even sketchier to say you'll do testing but only under specific testing, then act like the other person is suspect for trying to make sure that testing is actually legit. At least offering to pay for it can be perceived as a naive, well intended gesture....

Offering to PAY for testing is pure propaganda. Hendricks not accepting the unethical offer is very smart. End of story. Concluding st. pierre did it as a "naive, well intended gesture" is ignorant, powerful nuthuggery, or both... LMAO
 
He was "uncomfortable" because GSP's attorney was asking for predetermined times for testing and wanted to know what exactly they were testing for, according to Hendricks' manager

Predetermined times <> predetermined dates

And I'd take anything Hendricks manager says with a grain of salt.
 
Slow down, I know this thread has been done a 100 times. But 99 times out of those 100, its full of useless shit talking about if GSP is the GOAT or not. Looking for actual talk about the fight. Specifically:

1) There's been talk of GSP lacking power, especially in that fight. Do you buy that?

2) GSP face looked much worse than Hendricks. I heard old scar tissue can cause that. What are your thoughts?

3) I thought Hendricks had been popped by USADA, but looking I cant find any records stating he has. Since speculation is illegal, ill ask it this way: Do you think the guys were on an even playing field supplement wise?

Finally, to discern a bit of bias, do you like Hendricks or GSP more?


Hoping to have an actual answers here and not 10 pages of memes.
1) GSP does not lack power. But there were some in the division with more power than him.
2) while you are right and he shows more than Hendricks, you can't deny that this is because Hendricks hit him more, more often, and with more power.
3) Hendricks did not pop for anything. They both had a stupid debacle over more testing that burned BOTH of them. But obviously, being GSP, people tend to accuse Johnny far more and are more lenient towards how GSP looked bad for the things that were published at the time.

I like GSP more for all he did for MMA, for being a great champion and for the way he carried himself.
But however bias you might have, look at the end of the fight, their body language and how they reacted.
GSP knew he lost. Johnny knew he won. Judges gifted it to GSP and he knows it.
At the end of the day, it is what it is.
 
Razor thin fight. Both fighters took 2 rounds, round 1 was very close and debatable. People are just upset because Johnny's rounds were dominant with him landing some powerful shots, and George's rounds were closer but that's practically irrelevant to MMA scoring, especially at the time 10-8 scores were unheard of.

I personally gave r1 to Hendricks and think he should have got the nod but it was a razor thin round and depends on how you weigh takedown and submission attempts vs elbow strikes and takedown defense.

People seem to ignore the round by round scoring aspect, it was a very close fight from that perspective and certainly isn't the massive robbery people pretend.
 
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