Julianna Peña clearly won round 1

[Guy LeDouche]

I think the most interesting part about this whole Pena/Pennington debacle is just how Little anyone actually cares.

…myself included.

 

[Evangelion]

I thought round 5 was a close enough round where a judge watching ringside could score it for either fighter

Me too, I didn’t get the uproar. I also see how Pennington thinks she could of won.

Glad Pena won though cause she’s a more interesting fighter and personality.

 

[Poirierfan]

Hey Pena...

 

[Morning Star]

Watching live I thought the 1st round was pretty even. I watched at a bar that had live music and no volume on the fights until the main event. Was pretty surprised that everyone was acting like Pennington clearly won the 1st, stats don't even back that up. Kinda of a weird one to cry robbery over.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Fucking clown.

Your threads are for shit.

Stick to washing Shevchenko’s ovaries.

Because your opinions are FOR SHIT.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Pennington has always been decent as far as women's striking goes. She has been solid in straights and combos with good cardio and serviceable pop, and when you present that kind of threat against anyone who doesn't react well to getting hit, it can really build up.

Maybe she's always been decently effective. Her striking has always LOOKED atrocious.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

I can agree with your analysis. 2 & 3 were 100% Pena. 4 & 5 were 100% Pennington. I think calling the 5th close is a stretch. One fighter is advancing and landing heavy while the other is desperately hanging on trying to not get finished. Pena landed some solid shots and Pennington kept coming. When Pennington landed Pena was rattled and forced to retreat and was gasping for life.

On first (and only watch) I scored the 1st for Pennington. Seemed to me like she landed some impactful strikes and Pena did not. 17-25 for volume in Pena's favour as per the UFC stats but I wasn't counting shots just made my impression that Pennington took the first. I guess the controversy is that Pena gets a 10-9 for two clear rounds where she didn't do any damage. She was also outstruck in the 2nd 23-18 despite having 1 TD and 3 min of Control. While Pennington knocks her down in the 4th and outstrikes her 26-16 and gets the same score. That 4th round should be worth more then a standard 10-9 squeaked out a small margin round.

Maybe a knock down should be worth a point? I know it isn't boxing and you can lose a round in which you got a knockdown so I am not advocating an automatic 10-8. Score the round 10-9 or whatever but award a point (or deduct from the fighter who got dropped) .

It’s really quite simple - score fights as a whole based on totality of damage.

Control is a means to an end i.e. if you are controlling someone it gives you the ability to damage them or at least threaten damage (i.e. real submission attempts), if not it’s just a stall tactic i.e. running out the clock from advantageous position while not taking advantage of it.

Even if we still scored by rounds but on a damage spectrum using wider scores (or saying dominant control without damage is a slim margin of victory as well) it would be:

RD1 - 10-10 or 10-9 either way
RD2 - 10-9 Pena
RD3 - 10-9 Pena
RD4 - 10-6 Pennington
RD5 - 10-8 Pennington

Even if you gave Peña the first she’d still lose with three 10-9 rounds because 4 was worth more than all 3 combined.

I hate how they’ve gamified fights into something other than who hurt who more, the literal sole objective of a fight!

 

[Geniusss]

If it were clear there would not be a lot of controversy now, would there?

It still is because many ppl hate Julianna too much it seems

Pennington definitely seemed to be landing the harder and more meaningful punches. I thought Pena was going to steamroll her and remember saying to my buddy when the round ended "oh shit was I completely wrong? Did Pennington suddenly get good?"

Pennington was the favorite for the fight actually

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I'm not as arsed now about a robbery, but goddamn do I think Rocky actually looked consistently average vs Julianna looking inconsistently shitty, with just a bit of a grappling edge. Anyone (which was a lot of people frankly) who acted like Pena was some talent and Rocky was just a garbage champ can just eat all the ass after that fight.

Ricky was the favorite for that fight actually

I guess the controversy is that Pena gets a 10-9 for two clear rounds where she didn't do any damage. She was also outstruck in the 2nd 23-18 despite having 1 TD and 3 min of Control. While Pennington knocks her down in the 4th and outstrikes her 26-16 and gets the same score. That 4th round should be worth more then a standard 10-9 squeaked out a small margin round.

Maybe a knock down should be worth a point? I know it isn't boxing and you can lose a round in which you got a knockdown so I am not advocating an automatic 10-8. Score the round 10-9 or whatever but award a point (or deduct from the fighter who got dropped) .

MMA doesn't work like that

10-8 is only for the rounds that are one sided, like complete domination or destruction without a finish.

It doesn't matter if you win 1 round convincingly when you lost 3 close rounds, you are still lose the fight that's why when the commentators see it when they see they are 0-3 going to the championship rounds or 3-1 going to the last round, they say "he needs a finish now to be able to win this fight"

Fucking clown.

Your threads are for shit.

Stick to washing Shevchenko’s ovaries.

Because your opinions are FOR SHIT.

Get off my thick D

It’s really quite simple - score fights as a whole based on totality of damage.

Control is a means to an end i.e. if you are controlling someone it gives you the ability to damage them or at least threaten damage (i.e. real submission attempts), if not it’s just a stall tactic i.e. running out the clock from advantageous position while not taking advantage of it.

Even if we still scored by rounds but on a damage spectrum using wider scores (or saying dominant control without damage is a slim margin of victory as well) it would be:

RD1 - 10-10 or 10-9 either way
RD2 - 10-9 Pena
RD3 - 10-9 Pena
RD4 - 10-6 Pennington
RD5 - 10-8 Pennington

Even if you gave Peña the first she’d still lose with three 10-9 rounds because 4 was worth more than all 3 combined.

I hate how they’ve gamified fights into something other than who hurt who more, the literal sole objective of a fight!

If anything Pennington looked more hurt than Peña after the fight, look at their faces

 

[RockyLockridge]

I scored the fight for Pennington, but I don't think it was too crazy of a robbery or anything just a close fight


One of the reasons I love Pena SO much is how much she makes sherdog SEETHE, I forget some goofball with a picture of some ditry guy with a cowboy hat, and a green screen name, was talking to me, swore up and down that pena wasn't going to fight the winner of Pennington vs MBS (LOL) she attracts a special kind of derangement. Not sure if it's because she whooped Amanda Nunes ass SO badly that she tapped to a non choke like a pure quitter. Amanda has always been super overrated around here, Great Hammer, Awful Awful nail. Julianna Pena is the best nail in WMMA. (If you know what I mean )

Pena Breaks people, Both in the octogon and on sherdog. She'll always be my favorite for that.

 

[Trabaho]

they both landed with the same kind of intensity the whole round so when you see how much significant strikes they landed,

No two punches are ever the same

 

[humdizzle]

i can't believe people care this much

it was a garbage fight with poor IQ. Could have gone either way. we dont get the same view the judges do either.

im just happy Pena won because it makes Val look even better. she's pretty much a 2 division champ

 

[RockyLockridge]

No two punches are ever the same

Yes, the fighter who I likes punches are always worth more

 

[Trabaho]

Yes, the fighter who I likes punches are always worth more

Are you really gonna count who landed more to conclude a winner ?

Cruz outlanded Garbrant

You gotta use your eyes and mind. Can't make it a numbers game

I didn't see this fight btw (Pena Raechael)

 

[Trabaho]

Yes, the fighter who I likes punches are always worth more

Each punch is different. Simple to understand. Ofc each punch is more or less worth. They are not the same. Ever.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Each punch is different. Simple to understand. Ofc each punch is more or less worth. They are not the same. Ever.

you're missing the point, It creates a bias. I don't know if you can tell or not but many people don't like Pena for their ricki lake reasons.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

If anything Pennington looked more hurt than Peña after the fight, look at their faces

Because she had a bloody nose and a lump on her forehead?

Peña was at the post fight press conference with bruises all over her face, swollen lips, and big ass sunglasses to hide her swollen eyes.

I also don’t go off of visible damage only (since some people bruise/cut easier), so go off of reactive damage - Peña got dropped/hurt by the best punch of the fight and spent the next 7 minutes trying to survive off the back foot getting clearly outstruck consistently throughout.

Peña had far worse reactions to getting hit clean throughout (wincing, head snapping back, retreating after shots), even when Pennington got tagged hard she would immediately be the one pressing forward again so seemed less effected.

Sadly she’s so foot slow she can’t really pressure effectively unless the opponent is scared and/or gassed.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I scored round 1 for Rocky but I don't have a problem with Pena getting it. I feel that people have a bias against sloppy technique. In reality, it shouldn't matter if the technique is sloppy if it's overall effective; Pena was landing (not a ton, but neither was Rocky).

 

[dipstickjimmy]

MMA doesn't work like that

10-8 is only for the rounds that are one sided, like complete domination or destruction without a finish.

It doesn't matter if you win 1 round convincingly when you lost 3 close rounds, you are still lose the fight that's why when the commentators see it when they see they are 0-3 going to the championship rounds or 3-1 going to the last round, they say "he needs a finish now to be able to win this fight"

Yeah I know the scoring doesn't work like that. That's my point. The scoring doesn't work. It doesn't reward a fighter for winning a round by a wider margin then a razor thin could go either way round unless it is "Near Death" but they survived the round.

Imagine if in Baseball a solo home run counted the same as a bases loaded home run. Both involve the guy at the plate hitting a home run. MMA is subjective in its scoring but there are Objective things that can be scored like knockdowns. That was a clear knockdown, not a slip, not a punch that made her panic wrestle. She got punched effectively enough to cause her to fall to the ground. That should be worth more then a TD. Pena 3 minutes of control time in the 2nd and 2:20 in the 3rd but she threw ZERO ground strikes and had only 1 sub attempt. Makes no sense that those 2 rounds were 10-9 and the 4th was worth the same.