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Judo blackbelts in MMA
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Ronda's mom is not a legit source on anything.
Almost sounds like you're saying "your mom" LOL.
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Fuck man, really making me work here!
At least paste their names instead of pics, I gotta retype each guy manually!
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Ronda's mom is not a legit source on anything.
yeah she would know more about Judo like Stephen Hawking would know more about physics than you.
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Fedor is the guy who Firas said Judo guys should model themselves after coming into the UFC. Fedor competed in nationals twice, once under 100kg and once in openweight. He placed third in both, and the guy who won his weight class in 100kg would go onto win bronze in olympics and the guy who won his openweight class is Alexander Mikhaylin, three time world championship winner and two bronze, and silver olympic medalist.
Fedor himself stated that he was third behind Tmenov and Mikhaylin. Tmenov was silver and bronze olympic medalist, two time silver and two time bronze world championship winner. Between Tmenov and Mikhaylin, they have 13 european gold medals.
On top of that, Ronda's mom is 7th degree black belt in Judo, not to mention a world champion. To say "Ronda's mom is not a legit source on anything." when she said Fedor is the fourth degree black belt given his accomplishments and skills is as dumb as it gets on sherdog.
Fedor himself stated that he was third behind Tmenov and Mikhaylin. Tmenov was silver and bronze olympic medalist, two time silver and two time bronze world championship winner. Between Tmenov and Mikhaylin, they have 13 european gold medals.
On top of that, Ronda's mom is 7th degree black belt in Judo, not to mention a world champion. To say "Ronda's mom is not a legit source on anything.
" when she said Fedor is the fourth degree black belt given his accomplishments and skills is as dumb as it gets on sherdog.
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Well sure... OK, you got a link to her saying that at least?
Not easy to find sources...
Pawel is 6 dan, found it on PL Wiki, updated.
Takimoto and Ogawa - nothing.
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To quote Mikhaylin,
"...I remember Fedor Emelianenko as a very strong judoka. We constantly sparred with each other in training, and both of us held the upper hand at one time or another. We fought in a major competition only once, about seven years ago. I won against him in the final match of some international tournament then. ** However, right after that I won two gold medals in the world championships, one in the super heavyweight division and the other one in the absolute. My victory over Fedor Emelianenko was not easy, and that's understandable. He was a very tough opponent for anyone.
Today, I can't really evaluate all of the pluses and minuses of him as a candidate for the national team back then. I have also changed a lot since that time. However, his distinctive characteristic has always been the untamed desire to fight. Even when he lost the match, he fought until the very end, trying to use even the smallest opportunity to win. Many major sport teams would have wanted to have a strong heavyweight judoka like Emelianenko on the roster. However, the competition among the super heavyweights in the Russian national team has always been exceptionally strong. It would have been very hard for him to overcome it, especially when it was combined with sports politics. In that situation, Fedor, to put it bluntly, got fed up and transitioned to a different sport where he now has no equals....."
"...I remember Fedor Emelianenko as a very strong judoka. We constantly sparred with each other in training, and both of us held the upper hand at one time or another. We fought in a major competition only once, about seven years ago. I won against him in the final match of some international tournament then. ** However, right after that I won two gold medals in the world championships, one in the super heavyweight division and the other one in the absolute. My victory over Fedor Emelianenko was not easy, and that's understandable. He was a very tough opponent for anyone.
Today, I can't really evaluate all of the pluses and minuses of him as a candidate for the national team back then. I have also changed a lot since that time. However, his distinctive characteristic has always been the untamed desire to fight. Even when he lost the match, he fought until the very end, trying to use even the smallest opportunity to win. Many major sport teams would have wanted to have a strong heavyweight judoka like Emelianenko on the roster. However, the competition among the super heavyweights in the Russian national team has always been exceptionally strong. It would have been very hard for him to overcome it, especially when it was combined with sports politics. In that situation, Fedor, to put it bluntly, got fed up and transitioned to a different sport where he now has no equals....."
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Look, I am not questioning Fedor's amazing Judo skills. They are obvious. Not questioning Ronda or her mom's legitimacy either. I just don't feel comfortable updating this simply based on (with all due respect) some Sherdogger's post.Fedor is the guy who Firas said Judo guys should model themselves after coming into the UFC. Fedor competed in nationals twice, once under 100kg and once in openweight. He placed third in both, and the guy who won his weight class in 100kg would go onto win bronze in olympics and the guy who won his openweight class is Alexander Mikhaylin, three time world championship winner and two bronze, and silver olympic medalist.
Fedor himself stated that he was third behind Tmenov and Mikhaylin. Tmenov was silver and bronze olympic medalist, two time silver and two time bronze world championship winner. Between Tmenov and Mikhaylin, they have 13 european gold medals.
On top of that, Ronda's mom is 7th degree black belt in Judo, not to mention a world champion. To say "Ronda's mom is not a legit source on anything.
Maybe it's my professional deviation - I've worked in audit and financial markets all my life - a lack of sources in these areas of business simply does not fly.
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Thanks. Doing my best for the Sherbro community.
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Fuck man, really making me work here!
At least paste their names instead of pics, I gotta retype each guy manually!
Gono´s givin´ya the keys, find the door...
Tales of tape > means ya even got their Ht/Wt,Age...
Ah, the Sherdog Archivist has arrived!
Thanks man, but the problem with your contributions to both my threads is always the same - most of these guys are so fucking obscure it's almost impossible to find any legit sources for their style, rank and experience.
I found this for Edson Carvahlo - is that the same guy tho?
http://www.teamcarvalho.com/instructors.html
Maxim Tarasov - this guy?
https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/68743/Maxim_Tarasov/judo-results
Igor Zinoviev - no sources on rank, probably 1 Dan?
Rudyard Moncayo - no source on him doing Judo at all and a horrible can too.
Viktor Tatarkin - 1 Dan?
John Dixson - 1 Dan?
D Bobish - Is that Dan Bobish? If so, he never did much Judo to my knowledge.
Kareem Barkalaev - certainly an awesome grappler (ADCC gold!) but Judo? No sources. And is he aka Karimula Barkalaev? And he, like, disappeared all of a sudden after beating Pele? Mysterious shit.
Brian Gassaway - no source on him having any Judo belt and I'm looking for blackbelts only.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-death-master-stormed-into-the-vale-tudo-scene-24.3882431/
Karimula retired after back injury.
https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Maxim-Tarasov-1935
Dixson was a national champ IIRC...
Do your homework, now.
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To come back to your intended discussion about the usefullness of Judo:
Imo Judo is a great Martial Arts which has (like a lot of Gi based Arts) the problem of only partially transitioning to MMA. That doenst mean its bad or anything, e.g. Bjj does just fine (but also seems more willing to give up the GI atleast in the US).
That being said i believe a lot of fighters could benefit from Judo training. It definetly has its applications in the clinch and gives a grappling oriented fighter more options to work with.
Is it a must-have like wrestling or kickboxing? No. But imo it could work pretty well as a secondary base to the "standard" MMA skillset.
On the other hand achieving a black belt takes a lot of dedication that a mixed martial artist might not be willing to put in, if he hadnt started Judo as a child.
Also Judo seems to have its own problems like banning single and double legs (sorry i dont know te correct Judo term) from olympic level.
Imo Judo is a great Martial Arts which has (like a lot of Gi based Arts) the problem of only partially transitioning to MMA. That doenst mean its bad or anything, e.g. Bjj does just fine (but also seems more willing to give up the GI atleast in the US).
That being said i believe a lot of fighters could benefit from Judo training. It definetly has its applications in the clinch and gives a grappling oriented fighter more options to work with.
Is it a must-have like wrestling or kickboxing? No. But imo it could work pretty well as a secondary base to the "standard" MMA skillset.
On the other hand achieving a black belt takes a lot of dedication that a mixed martial artist might not be willing to put in, if he hadnt started Judo as a child.
Also Judo seems to have its own problems like banning single and double legs (sorry i dont know te correct Judo term) from olympic level.
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I knew you'd say something like that.
Still, no idea if Karimula / Kareem / Karim (however you spell it) did Judo, let alone held a black belt. Can't add him in good conscience.
I did research on all the other guys and added the majority. It's easiest with the Japs since they all started with Judo in school.
Either way, thank you for the contribution.
You certainly have made a name for yourself with all the history threads on this forum, you should get a "Sherdog Archivist" tag or something.
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I knew you'd say something like that.
Still, no idea if Karimula / Kareem / Karim (however you spell it) did Judo, let alone held a black belt. Can't add him in good conscience.
I did research on all the other guys and added the majority. It's easiest with the Japs since they all started with Judo in school.
Either way, thank you for the contribution.
You certainly have made a name for yourself with all the history threads on this forum, you should get a "Sherdog Archivist" tag or something.
Guys like Kopylov or Suloev were probably BB or BB-level....
Paulo Filho, Jacaré too
Paulo Filho, Jacaré too
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Good point about the gi and BJJ. No-gi BJJ is readily available and quite popular but no-gi Judo... simply doesn't exist! It's odd but may have to do with the fact that Judo orgs generally frown upon Judoka fighting in MMA. I recall that France banned their Judoka from ever competing in MMA!
Certainly many fighters could benefit from Judo training - it's a new skill which can surprise the opponent. Though I think it's better as a starting base (for kids especially) if wrestling isn't available (often the case in Europe). Judo teaches balance, discipline, effort and resilience - which are all essential traits for a fighter.
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