JonJones had his UFC debut 9th-August-2008 exactly 2 days ago it turned 16 years ago - Nobody is still in the UFC from the era when he became champion

[Mohawk Banditó]

Mike Tyson has admitted to raping women before?

You got a source or video for that?

This quote is pretty slim, but still not a great look

"(He) called me a 'rapist' and a 'recluse'. I'm not a recluse." -- Tyson on a column by then-New York Post writer Wallace Matthews

And in this video, the guy tries to throw Tyson a lifeline and defends him by saying, "Mike Tyson don't need to violate any woman at any point in any time, literally."
To which Tyson replies "I'm not above violating a woman. But I didn't violate that woman. That's just keeping it real. That's just keeping it real. Especially back then, back then I wasn't above violating and taking pussy and stuff, but I didn't take hers."



And Desiree Washington, for all the criticism she gets, isn't the only woman who has accused him as he was just sued last year too under the Adult Survivors Act

 

[Brigfa2]

That's why he should fight against Aspinall, him losing would have zero effect on his legacy

 

[RedDevilFan]

ZERO difference from the boat Alex is currently floating in.​

Both had a girl Willingly Go to their hotel rooms late AF in the night of a major event.

NEITHER girl said "No" at the time of their consensual "shared intimacy".

That is why these athletes need to be careful. The law states a person must give enthusiastic consent/ explicit approval before any form of sexual activity. Another rule is that once a woman says no, during anytime of the sexual encounter, you must stop or it can be considered rape in certain states. Others have different definitions of that encounter.

I adore mike Tyson but the girl mentioned that Tyson pulled her to the bed, and pinned her down. There were some issues in her testimony, like how her panties came off and why she took them off but at the end of the day, his law team did not do enough to secure an acquittal. This is not an indictment of Tyson, just that many athletes have questionable behavior issues and people still adore them.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

ZERO difference from the boat Alex is currently floating in.​

Both had a girl Willingly Go to their hotel rooms late AF in the night of a major event.

NEITHER girl said "No" at the time of their consensual "shared intimacy".

Oh shit, they already convicted Alex of rape?

 

[Superzorro]

There's no reality where anyone could seriously claim Jon wasn't good. Im certainly not a fan but he's undoubtedly one of the most gifted fighters ever.

Still lame to go out without unifying and instead fighting an old and inactive Stipe coming off a KO. I don't think anyone could argue that Jon going out by beating Tom would not be the most impressive way to retire

I disagree with everything you said. History disagrees. I’ve seen it happen before, time and time again with great fighters who are unpopular with MMA fans. The moment they lose, they were never good. There are already people saying Aspinall has a better resume.

Yeah, there was never this much pushback from GSP fighting Bisping then disappearing or Bisping fighting Dan Henderson over Yoel Romero or Robert Whittaker. MMA fans will go through great lengths to discredit anyone who isn’t Alex Pereira, Islam or Tom Aspinall right now.

 

[Superzorro]

Aldo, Olivera, Edson, RDA, Dustin was in WEC, etc. There's still guys doing what Jon is, except they're actually much more active. Jonny has been averaging under 1 fight a year for the past decade and only 1 in the last 5 years. With how little damage he's accumulates on top of the average age at HW being much higher, Jon could keep doing this for long while if he wanted.

He just isn't interested in losing the mystique he's held onto for all this time

I have just two questions. 1)Where was his energy for Khabib? And 2) weren’t you one of the people saying Khabib was greater than Jones?

 

[Superzorro]

"Now that Jones lost, we can finally say Fedor is better because of that"

“Aspinall is the current GOAT (for some reason) but Prime Fedor would never lose to a guy with only 20 fights and three losses!”

 

[jeff7b9]

This quote is pretty slim, but still not a great look

"(He) called me a 'rapist' and a 'recluse'. I'm not a recluse." -- Tyson on a column by then-New York Post writer Wallace Matthews

And in this video, the guy tries to throw Tyson a lifeline and defends him by saying, "Mike Tyson don't need to violate any woman at any point in any time, literally."
To which Tyson replies "I'm not above violating a woman. But I didn't violate that woman. That's just keeping it real. That's just keeping it real. Especially back then, back then I wasn't above violating and taking pussy and stuff, but I didn't take hers."



And Desiree Washington, for all the criticism she gets, isn't the only woman who has accused him as he was just sued last year too under the Adult Survivors Act

Indeed that is not a good look.

Hey, fuck him if he did rape or SA any women.
I am in no way condoning such actions...

But also, there are definitely women and judges and lawyers that have no problem destroying a man's life, reputation and dignity for a buck.


I find it WILDLY corrupt that the fact the Desiree Washington had prior false rape allegations was intentionally and knowingly omitted from a rape case consisting primarily of her word against his regarding a night she went to the hotel room of a grown man after 1:30am.

 

[TheBulge]

This quote is pretty slim, but still not a great look

"(He) called me a 'rapist' and a 'recluse'. I'm not a recluse." -- Tyson on a column by then-New York Post writer Wallace Matthews

And in this video, the guy tries to throw Tyson a lifeline and defends him by saying, "Mike Tyson don't need to violate any woman at any point in any time, literally."
To which Tyson replies "I'm not above violating a woman. But I didn't violate that woman. That's just keeping it real. That's just keeping it real. Especially back then, back then I wasn't above violating and taking pussy and stuff, but I didn't take hers."



And Desiree Washington, for all the criticism she gets, isn't the only woman who has accused him as he was just sued last year too under the Adult Survivors Act

Guy was a full blown rapist. To add to that cringy video, there's also that old interview where Tyson says "Well now I really do wish I raped her and her mf'ing mother"

Like you said numerous women have accused him of the same thing, some of those stories were from a very long time ago and are almost forgotten but it will start to paint a picture of this guy's history with women. Going all the way back to when he was a teenager grabbing Teddy Atlas' niece down there which made Teddy almost put a bullet between his eyes.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I have just two questions. 1)Where was his energy for Khabib? And 2) weren’t you one of the people saying Khabib was greater than Jones?

Khabib even at his worse was never that inactive and he was out due to injury, not popping for peds multiple times (or in many cases, for no reason at all). Bizzare comparison. Cruz would have been a better comparison and I was very critical of him.

And no, Ive said Khabib isn't in my top 5 dozens of times. Ive said MM and GSP over Jon, because they are. But Jon isn't even on my list because of repeated ped usage.

Why are you bringing up Khabib angrily for no reason lol?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I disagree with everything you said. History disagrees. I’ve seen it happen before, time and time again with great fighters who are unpopular with MMA fans. The moment they lose, they were never good. There are already people saying Aspinall has a better resume.

Yeah, there was never this much pushback from GSP fighting Bisping then disappearing or Bisping fighting Dan Henderson over Yoel Romero or Robert Whittaker. MMA fans will go through great lengths to discredit anyone who isn’t Alex Pereira, Islam or Tom Aspinall right now.

History disagrees with you. Fedor and GSP are still seen as the best despite multiple losses. Same with MM and Silva. Fuck even BJ still gets put in the GOAT convo.

People are saying Tom has a better Heavyweight resume, which is true.

Idk what you're smoking but people on here were mad as hell about GSP vs Bisping. They were even more pissed when he didn't defend the belt.

I feel like you're seeing what you want to see homie

 

[Superzorro]

History disagrees with you. Fedor and GSP are still seen as the best despite multiple losses. Same with MM and Silva. Fuck even BJ still gets put in the GOAT convo.

People are saying Tom has a better Heavyweight resume, which is true.

Idk what you're smoking but people on here were mad as hell about GSP vs Bisping. They were even more pissed when he didn't defend the belt.

I feel like you're seeing what you want to see homie

It absolutely does not. Fedor and GSP weren’t hated like Jones. Silva, MM and BJ get under appreciated and underrated all the time on here compared to when they were on top.
If Jones loses, this forum will be flooded with “was Jones resume really that good?”
“Does Jones beat any of his opponents in their prime?”
“Aspinall and Pereira beat everyone on Jones resume.”
“Jones lost to the first good fighter he faced.”

It didn’t last long, because now GSP is pretty much universally considered to be the number one pound for pound. But like I said, GSP is one of the most well received fighters of all time. And he went out on a win.

 

[Superzorro]

Khabib even at his worse was never that inactive and he was out due to injury, not popping for peds multiple times (or in many cases, for no reason at all). Bizzare comparison. Cruz would have been a better comparison and I was very critical of him.

And no, Ive said Khabib isn't in my top 5 dozens of times. Ive said MM and GSP over Jon, because they are. But Jon isn't even on my list because of repeated ped usage.

Why are you bringing up Khabib angrily for no reason lol?

I can list like five times off of my head where Khabib pulled out of fights. And he was out two years for injury. And the comparison was you saying Jones would be retiring early to avoid stiff competition. Jones was in the UFC in 2008. Jones is retiring close to 40 years old. Khabib retired at a fresh 30 with three title defenses. So everything you said with that post verbatim in regards to Jones applies way more to Khabib’s career.
And I just don’t recall seeing that same level of scrutiny when it comes to him. You’re like a big Khabib guy iirc, which makes that post ironic.

 

[BowserJr]

Stipe

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I can list like five times off of my head where Khabib pulled out of fights. And he was out two years for injury. And the comparison was you saying Jones would be retiring early to avoid stiff competition. Jones was in the UFC in 2008. Jones is retiring close to 40 years old. Khabib retired at a fresh 30 with three title defenses. So everything you said with that post verbatim in regards to Jones applies way more to Khabib’s career.
And I just don’t recall seeing that same level of scrutiny when it comes to him. You’re like a big Khabib guy iirc, which makes that post ironic.

Jon while perfectly healthy has fought on 9 times in the past 10 years and only twice in the last 5. No one has been less active than him at the championship level outside of maybe Cruz. Despite retiring 4 years ago, Khabib has fought the same amount Jon in that 5 year period which is insane. When they're retiring is also irrelevant to Jon avoiding a hard fight. You're just trying to change the topic instead of addressing valid criticism.

Jon is much more inactive despite being healthy and trying to deflect to Khabib just makes no sense. The situations are completely different. When they were both in the ufc at the same time from 2012-2020, Khabib fought more despite multiple injuries. Facts are just facts.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

It absolutely does not. Fedor and GSP weren’t hated like Jones. Silva, MM and BJ get under appreciated and underrated all the time on here compared to when they were on top.
If Jones loses, this forum will be flooded with “was Jones resume really that good?”
“Does Jones beat any of his opponents in their prime?”
“Aspinall and Pereira beat everyone on Jones resume.”
“Jones lost to the first good fighter he faced.”

It didn’t last long, because now GSP is pretty much universally considered to be the number one pound for pound. But like I said, GSP is one of the most well received fighters of all time. And he went out on a win.

Lol alright dawg. You clearly really want to believe this and I don't care enough to prolong this argument. Nobody on here is ever going to think Jon wasn't good. At worst they'll say he was never gonna be able successful long term at HW.

But who cares. He's getting his gimme retirement fight so we'll never know anyway

 

[Superzorro]

Jon while perfectly healthy has fought on 9 times in the past 10 years and only twice in the last 5. No one has been less active than him at the championship level outside of maybe Cruz. Despite retiring 4 years ago, Khabib has fought the same amount Jon in that 5 year period which is insane. When they're retiring is also irrelevant to Jon avoiding a hard fight. You're just trying to change the topic instead of addressing valid criticism.

Jon is much more inactive despite being healthy and trying to deflect to Khabib just makes no sense. The situations are completely different. When they were both in the ufc at the same time from 2012-2020, Khabib fought more despite multiple injuries. Facts are just facts.

From 2012 to 2020, Jones fought better fighters. From 2008 to 2012, Jones fought better fighters. And in spite of being less active, Jones achieved four times what Khabib has and retired later. Facts are just facts.

 

[Superzorro]

Lol alright dawg. You clearly really want to believe this and I don't care enough to prolong this argument. Nobody on here is ever going to think Jon wasn't good. At worst they'll say he was never gonna be able successful long term at HW.

But who cares. He's getting his gimme retirement fight so we'll never know anyway

Yeah, I’m not sure if you’re being purposefully ignorant, you’re pretending or you haven’t been around for long enough. If you know MMA fans, you know what they do.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

From 2012 to 2020, Jones fought better fighters. From 2008 to 2012, Jones fought better fighters. And in spite of being less active, Jones achieved four times what Khabib has and retired later. Facts are just facts.

Again, not what's being discussed lol. Your refusal to acknowledge his inactivity only proves my point lol

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Yeah, I’m not sure if you’re being purposefully ignorant, you’re pretending or you haven’t been around for long enough. If you know MMA fans, you know what they do.

I know mma fans very well, and I see exactly what you've been trying and failing to do in this thread lol