Jones pay

[Skellz]

I’m not a Jones fan , but in his defense, he is the most accomplished in his industry’s history. And this would be one of the biggest fights in his industry’s history.

Yea im so sure you arent a jones fan.. Well let me remind you we all know hes a steroid cheat, and this fight isnt even that big/exciting. Francis isnt skilled hes just big and strong. and JJ hasnt been exciting lately.

Honestly would be semi lackluster

 

[oscerthegrouch]

Jon wins 50 million but if he loses he doesnt get dilly!

 

[avenue94]

You increase the overall revenue of the company.

I mean, possibly? It's unlikely given since any increased revenue is earmarked for WME. That's a big ask given how the UFC handles its profits. It also isn't an exceptional property in terms of revenue. What makes it so profitable is the 20 percent cap on athlete expenses.

His PPV numbers are lower than you would expect. Everyone has the right to negotiate including the UFC, yes I am captain obvious. The frustrating thing about Jon is, he has done his best to destroy his fanbase which is directly tied to money, he has been given second and third chances by the UFC and still continued to mess up. He himself has implied the UFC is dishonest about their PPV numbers so he does not trust them to pay him honestly on the PPV part. He is shitting on the UFC so they will shit on him. Is the UFC greedy? of course. But Jon makes it very hard to root for him and that is his downfall.
https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-event-figures/ppv-pay-per-view-buys-buyrate

Jones is either the 2nd or 3rd largest draw the UFC has. Everyone else is gone. And come on, are you going to really pretend the UFC doesn't shit on all its stars? You don't have to root for Jones, just root for fighters in general.

Yea im so sure you arent a jones fan.. Well let me remind you we all know hes a steroid cheat, and this fight isnt even that big/exciting. Francis isnt skilled hes just big and strong. and JJ hasnt been exciting lately.

Honestly would be semi lackluster

This fight is the biggest non-Mcgregor fight they can put on right now. If the UFC can't squeeze a million buys out of it, that's on them being shit at their job.

 

[Matthew Fedler]

Except he straight up said 10 million was no where near enough... thats nonsense.. And jones doesnt want a Union??? What would he get out of it? Lower Wages... boy you people dont think

Those Player Associations (aka unions) sure did lower the wages for the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. Good point.

 

[Skellz]

Those Player Associations (aka unions) sure did lower the wages for the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. Good point.

OH right, the sports where athletes play every week.... compared to UFC fighters who work 1 or 2 days a year.... yea not apples to oranges bro.... also you think JJ wants to give a portion of his 10 million to the guys making 20k?

 

[Matthew Fedler]

OH right, the sports where athletes play every week.... compared to UFC fighters who work 1 or 2 days a year.... yea not apples to oranges bro.... also you think JJ wants to give a portion of his 10 million to the guys making 20k?

Is this an April fool?

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Yea I didnt expect them to give him half bit if they did they would still make a bunch of money. There is room to negotiate. So maybe Jon has an opportunity to get another 5 million than what they are offering but "fans" want him to just leave that on the table. At the end of the day we miss out on another big fight because the UFC doesnt care about the sport as much as money. It's the "fans" job to demand the big fights. The great part about having one promoter have all the power in mma was that we get the big fights but it doesnt play out that way. If Dana cant make money off Jones maybe they should release him and see if a better promoter can figure out a way.

Except that he is guaranteed PPV points already. It's in his contract. If he sells the fight and the fight does, say, 2 million buys, he's making north of $15 million.

Except he's demanding $50 million.

How can a guy making more than any other active fighter be complaining about his pay? If anyone should be complaining it's the fighters making $10k/$10k or whatever the minimum is.

Jones is literally making 1500 times that amount and still complaining.

The truth is that he doesn't want the fight. That's it. It's really that simple. They could offer him $50 million and he'd ask for $100 million. He's intentionally pricing himself out to duck the fight. Pretending otherwise is absurd.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Yea im so sure you arent a jones fan.. Well let me remind you we all know hes a steroid cheat, and this fight isnt even that big/exciting. Francis isnt skilled hes just big and strong. and JJ hasnt been exciting lately.

Honestly would be semi lackluster

Haha, I actually am very not a jones fan

 

[tamoe]

I mean, possibly? It's unlikely given since any increased revenue is earmarked for WME. That's a big ask given how the UFC handles its profits. It also isn't an exceptional property in terms of revenue. What makes it so profitable is the 20 percent cap on athlete expenses.

Jones is either the 2nd or 3rd largest draw the UFC has. Everyone else is gone. And come on, are you going to really pretend the UFC doesn't shit on all its stars? You don't have to root for Jones, just root for fighters in general.

This fight is the biggest non-Mcgregor fight they can put on right now. If the UFC can't squeeze a million buys out of it, that's on them being shit at their job.

You are so right, the UFC is known to be shit at what they do.
Just like an MMA fight, you can't blame anyone for operating within the rules of the game. Oblique kicks to the knee may be called dirty but they are legal. Eyepokes are not allowed but you can get away with one or two. Jon Jones complaining that someone is fighting dirty within the rules is pure hypocrisy

 

[avenue94]

You are so right, the UFC is known to be shit at what they do.
Just like an MMA fight, you can't blame anyone for operating within the rules of the game. Oblique kicks to the knee may be called dirty but they are legal. Eyepokes are not allowed but you can get away with one or two. Jon Jones complaining that someone is fighting dirty within the rules is pure hypocrisy

Not sure what you're saying here? All I got was that you think the UFC lowballing fighters is the equivalent f oblique kicks to the knee? Or that dirtier fighters should be paid less? I honestly don't know.

 

[Mbowes]

How do you know that ? Are you a psychic.

A psychic is a person who claims to use extrasensory perception to identify information hidden from the normal senses, particularly involving telepathy or clairvoyance, or who performs acts that are apparently inexplicable by natural laws. This thread post is inexplicable by natural law unless jones called you.

The question is how do you know what you posted, investigation, psychic abilities? How the heck do you know that he would be fine with 10 mil to fight stipe ?

You realize TS wasn't making a statement but asking a question , right?

 

[Deleted member 499399]

Except that he is guaranteed PPV points already. It's in his contract. If he sells the fight and the fight does, say, 2 million buys, he's making north of $15 million.

Except he's demanding $50 million.

How can a guy making more than any other active fighter be complaining about his pay? If anyone should be complaining it's the fighters making $10k/$10k or whatever the minimum is.

Jones is literally making 1500 times that amount and still complaining.

The truth is that he doesn't want the fight. That's it. It's really that simple. They could offer him $50 million and he'd ask for $100 million. He's intentionally pricing himself out to duck the fight. Pretending otherwise is absurd.

I bet he would take that fight for 50 million.

 

[agibmxmma]

He said he was making about $2 million per fight in his 20s which was 5-10 years ago and now thinks that $10 million is too low? Wow. Don't we all wish we could get that kind of pay raise? Let's see....If the average worker was making $60k per year 10 years ago, I guess they should be making $300K now? I know I won't make anywhere near $300k per year even in my wildest dreams. For those of you who made $20 per hour 10 years ago, are you now making $100 per hour? Jones is out of his mind. Didn't Bisping/GSP in Nov 2017 each get about $1-2 million? My friends and I were more excited about that than we have ever been about a Jones fight. No way is he worth $10 million

+1

 

[Deleted member 499399]

Read it again

From an earnings perspective he not the biggest name in the sport.
His PPV numbers are lower than you would expect. Everyone has the right to negotiate including the UFC, yes I am captain obvious. The frustrating thing about Jon is, he has done his best to destroy his fanbase which is directly tied to money, he has been given second and third chances by the UFC and still continued to mess up. He himself has implied the UFC is dishonest about their PPV numbers so he does not trust them to pay him honestly on the PPV part. He is shitting on the UFC so they will shit on him. Is the UFC greedy? of course. But Jon makes it very hard to root for him and that is his downfall.
https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-event-figures/ppv-pay-per-view-buys-buyrate

Jones loses fans with his out of the ring antics but hes still the best guy in the sport today. I think this fight would sell just like a Mayweather fight where half the buys are people who want to see him lose. It's the biggest fight the UFC can make right now and it's a huge loss to the fans if they cant make it happen.

 

[Captain Herb]

you know it's not up to just him... investors, WME ect. They just went a whole year without ticket sales. I'm pretty sure we aren't going to see the UFC leaping to throw money at guys any time soon.

You gotta spend your way out of a pandemic

 

[Deleted member 499399]

Sure, that's valid. But how do you raise their pay? The UFC will do a token inflation adjustment every now and then, but they will never pay prelim fighters more since they are the most replaceable of the fighters. Raising champion pay is the only shot since they have more money and it puts pressure on the UFC to raise wages further down the card. It's a longshot, but the only way forward.

But people will tell you that Dana is the greatest promoter ever even though he couldn't even put GSP vs Silva together lol.

And GSP vs Khabib. Brock vs Fedor. There are a few. They are pretty good about making fights but they miss out on some of the biggest ones because they dont want to pay.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

I bet he would take that fight for 50 million.

He absolutely wouldn't.

He's ducking the fight. Period. If he takes it and loses, which he almost did vs Santos and vs Reyes, he couldn't say he's undefeated anymore. He'd lose a lot of his prestige and, frankly, his ego can't handle a loss. He spouts so much Christian nonsense on Twitter and then constantly cheats on his wife, does recreational drugs, cheats in all his fights...the guy is a sociopath and a narcissist. He doesn't like his chance vs Ngannou.

If he won the Ngannou fight, he could pretty much write his own checks after that. Money wouldn't be an issue. He would make Conor jealous with his paychecks.

But he really, truly doesn't believe he can do it. And he's on the wrong side of 30 after 10+ years of professional cage fighting. His prime is wasting away the longer he sits out. If he wants to get paid, he has to fight. Period.

This is not about money and never has been.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

He absolutely wouldn't.

He's ducking the fight. Period. If he takes it and loses, which he almost did vs Santos and vs Reyes, he couldn't say he's undefeated anymore. He'd lose a lot of his prestige and, frankly, his ego can't handle a loss. He spouts so much Christian nonsense on Twitter and then constantly cheats on his wife, does recreational drugs, cheats in all his fights...the guy is a sociopath and a narcissist. He doesn't like his chance vs Ngannou.

If he won the Ngannou fight, he could pretty much write his own checks after that. Money wouldn't be an issue. He would make Conor jealous with his paychecks.

But he really, truly doesn't believe he can do it. And he's on the wrong side of 30 after 10+ years of professional cage fighting. His prime is wasting away the longer he sits out. If he wants to get paid, he has to fight. Period.

This is not about money and never has been.

Then they should call his bluff.

 

[avenue94]

He absolutely wouldn't.

He's ducking the fight. Period. If he takes it and loses, which he almost did vs Santos and vs Reyes, he couldn't say he's undefeated anymore. He'd lose a lot of his prestige and, frankly, his ego can't handle a loss. He spouts so much Christian nonsense on Twitter and then constantly cheats on his wife, does recreational drugs, cheats in all his fights...the guy is a sociopath and a narcissist. He doesn't like his chance vs Ngannou.

If he won the Ngannou fight, he could pretty much write his own checks after that. Money wouldn't be an issue. He would make Conor jealous with his paychecks.

But he really, truly doesn't believe he can do it. And he's on the wrong side of 30 after 10+ years of professional cage fighting. His prime is wasting away the longer he sits out. If he wants to get paid, he has to fight. Period.

This is not about money and never has been.

Jones takes the fight for $50 million. The idea that champion's are somehow cowards is fucking baffling. And your logic is backwards. After Ngannou, there are only mundane HWs and he'll have a champion's clause again. This is the biggest fight to be made north of Conor, for a couple years. He's already slipping out of his prime, this is his shot to cash in.

 

[tamoe]

Not sure what you're saying here? All I got was that you think the UFC lowballing fighters is the equivalent f oblique kicks to the knee? Or that dirtier fighters should be paid less? I honestly don't know.

Don't be mad when your opponent does everything within the rules to win. I get it, you don't get it