Jones is statistically a better striker than Adesanya

There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies and statistics. As far as the question, no disrespect but check my sig.
 
I have a hard time comparing both careers, Jones obviously is a far better MMA fighter and UFC champion than Izzy, who lost twice when Jones is still virtually indefeated. What I can give to Adesanya is that is a super active champ, but Jones was too.
 
People seem to forget that Jon Jones has been working on his striking for like 15 years. He's an elite level fighter with the best fight IQ in the sport, probably in the sport history, so I doubt he's getting outstruck in MMA. If he does, it's never by a crazy wide margin.
 
ragreynolds said:
That's now how that stat works. It's a percentage that represents how many incoming strikes you avoid. If you take an opponent down and they're not throwing strikes at you, then that percentage does not change in either direction.

Also, comparing Jon's style to that of Khabib or even GSP is absurd. Aside from Gane, Jon has been almost entirely kickboxing with most of his opponents for years.
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Like I mentioned, just fighting a grappler makes you more hesitant to throw strikes or careful when you do. Yes it's true Jones is well rounded and has spent most time on his feet lately, he's still taken down every single UFC opponent besides Santos and Jake O Brian.
 
If Strickland with his very basic (sound, but basic) boxing can flatten Izzy, then Jones with his varied arsenal of standup techniques would maul Izzy. Even with no wrestling he kills him.

And based on how Jan beat him, I can't believe anyone would ask the question.

A better question would be, if Jones were a middleweight instead of LWH would that make things closer? And yes it would make it closer.
 
If you put them in a kickboxing ring I'd take Izzy for sure. Jones has very good MMA striking but you have to take it in the context of an MMA match. He's an insanely good grappler - that changes the way you can stand with him and opens up a lot more. Being such a good wrestler means they have to be alert to things other than just his strikes, because if they mis-step there is a good chance they get the Machida treatment.
 
Jon would strike until he no longer felt like it then would proceed to takedown and destroy Izzy.
 
Fighting ain't basketball
Most of those numbers are shit and all of them have no context.
Jones is probably a better striker, but your argument is SHIT
 
ragreynolds said:
That's now how that stat works. It's a percentage that represents how many incoming strikes you avoid. If you take an opponent down and they're not throwing strikes at you, then that percentage does not change in either direction.

Also, comparing Jon's style to that of Khabib or even GSP is absurd. Aside from Gane, Jon has been almost entirely kickboxing with most of his opponents for years.
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He was kickboxing guys he had a huge reach advantage against, was far faster than and a far more dangerous clinch/takedown game. Even the guys he fought who could match him in one area (Reyes in size, Santos in speed, DC in clinch/takedown game) were lacking in others so overall not as effective in implementing that attack (though those 3 did better than any of his opponents - what do they all have in common? Could match him in at least 1 of those 3 areas).

When you have an extra 4+ inches of height + reach, are naturally faster, and have opponents scared of getting taken down or stuck in the clinch with you all of a sudden your kickboxing looks way more effective.

That doesn't necessarily mean you have elite kickboxing or elite striking defense; what it does mean is that in an MMA context your kickboxing game is very effective because of all the other elements of your game.

TLDR = Correlation does not equal causation.

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Kampfpanzer said:
Jones and Adesanya are the same height and similar reach. But for all Adesanya's kickboxing accolades and experience, Jones is statistically better everywhere standing.

Per the UFC site - Jones has much better defence. Adesanya absorbs twice as many significant strikes per minute as Jones, 3 vs 1.5. He has an overall striking defence rate of 56% compared to 67% for Jon.

Jones also has higher striking accuracy and a more much more diverse range of attacks. (Knees, spin kicks, elbows, oblique kicks)

Intangibles like cardio and chin also go to Jon.

Both in their primes, how would you see a stand up fight between them at LHW playing out?

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No,.. no hes most certainly not. He's a more effective fighter, but his striking is not even close.
 
Don’t worry, buddeh. After Stipe knocks Jones the fuck out..

He can just slither away. like the disgrace he is. Fucking white belt Jones ball washer starting a thread about that lowlife.

Then you can return from whence you came, too. Nobody will give a shit, alright.

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I mrs. you’re fucking stupid if you think Jones is a better striker. That said, he is a better (and much bigger) fighter. He would fuck up Izzy in MMA and Izzy would knock him out in K1
 
Fighting isn’t baseball, no matter how much things like fightmetric and compubox try to make it.
 
Not a big surprise, Jones is a way better MMA fighter overall, with an elite grappling/wrestling game that benefits his striking, with way more accomplishments in MMA, more title defenses, etc.

Better pure striker? Not so sure, but his game as a whole is the real deal. He's good everywhere

Love him or hate him, Jones is S tier, Adesanya is A tier at best
 
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