Jones is an easier fight than Aspinall

[Benoitthegr8]

Reading the posts to this thread make me feel terribly ashamed for some of you, similarly to being on a sinking vessel and instead of taking the life preservers you choose allegiance, then punch new holes in the hull in defiance, it’s truly bizarre.

 

[SuperAlly]

Reading comprehension skills = zero. You need to go back to grade school buddy.

That was an example of the logical entailment of his argument.

It was an example of an argument lacking any form of logic.

Lol at this cretin suggest any one else go back to school after these are the fallacious arguments he concocts.

 

[SuperAlly]

By the time Jon/Stipe happened Tom had been the interim champion for a year and even defended the belt....

Moron will also have been pro Jon jumping over the rankings and ignoring the interim champ prior to his retirement in disgrace

 

[dipstickjimmy]

UFC seem to make everyone who moves up vacate now, Islam, Topuria, so it probably wouldn't be an issue

Yeah except Alex already said "It won't be necessary" regarding vacating because he fights so often. While now putting the LHW belt on ice for 8 months and that is if he defends it in June as that is the next date he proposes he will fight. I don't trust the UFC to force him to vacate and I could see him holding the belt while trying to fight Jon.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I didnt make the rankings.

Those are the UFCs rankings
And the UFC had Gane#1 and Stipe#2 this is just facts.

Jones, infact no HW champ, was going to call out the #7 who just got beat by Curtis Blaydes.

Alex and Jones want superfights against established super stars.

Right now, theyre the only two somewhat in the game.

You simply keep ignoring that Aspinall is the HW champion. He was the Interim Champion when Jon Ducked him. You keep jumping around claiming Aspinall had just got beat by Blaydes. That isn't when Jones Ducked him. You also are acting like Blaydes beat him when it was a freak injury.

As a fan I don't get why you are arguing for "What Alex and Jones want". As a fan you really want to watch the former HW champ blatantly duck unifying with the Interim, retire for 2 weeks and then come back to fight another LHW that is on paper a perfect style match up for him?

I would love to hear you actually respond directly to my points but I am happy to put you on ignore if you want to gaslight yourself some more.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

My assumption would be if Alex moved up he'd vacate. No he shouldn't hold up the belt. He has a broken foot, TBH if his intention is Jones at HW, just vacate now. He's been active as hell so maybe would be the guy who WOULDN'T hold up a division, but he's 38 so if he's gonna move to HW just do it permanently for your last few fights.

I only care about Jones in the context of him being a cool fight for Pereira. Otherwise, nah.

I don't see it the same way. Alex will most certainly not vacate willingly right now and declare a permanent move to HW. He makes a lot more money as the UFC champion doing appearances and tik tok shit. It also gives him much more leverage with the UFC in negotiating fights.

Now that the PPV model is dead I think it will be a lot harder moving forward for fighters to get paid big money.

 

[Superzorro]

By the time Jon/Stipe happened Tom had been the interim champion for a year and even defended the belt....

Jon and Stipe was booked when Aspinall was ranked seventh. Are you suggesting they burn the contract that was already written for Jones and Stipe to fight?

 

[Superzorro]

It was an example of an argument lacking any form of logic.

Lol at this cretin suggest any one else go back to school after these are the fallacious arguments he concocts.

So you’re saying that about the guy I was talking to, not me. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Lmao at TS’s AV

That is a doctored photo to try and make Ank look bad. The reality is he is a two sport superstar.
Here is the real Full photo

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Jon and Stipe was booked when Aspinall was ranked seventh. Are you suggesting they burn the contract that was already written for Jones and Stipe to fight?

Yes. I am indeed suggesting that a champion shouldnt be defending his belt against a challenger who hasnt won a fight in over 4 years instead of the interim champion that everyone is telling him to fight. Crazy I know.

 

[mkess101]

I don't see it the same way. Alex will most certainly not vacate willingly right now and declare a permanent move to HW. He makes a lot more money as the UFC champion doing appearances and tik tok shit. It also gives him much more leverage with the UFC in negotiating fights.

Now that the PPV model is dead I think it will be a lot harder moving forward for fighters to get paid big money.

The ppv model being gone actually makes it MORE likely Alex would vacate imo. No more ppv points for champions clauses in contracts. He is a big enough name that the belt likely won't affect his outside income and marketability.
He's 38 and the UFC (even in the post ppv era) would like him for a few more fights before he's done. He knows it. That's his leverage and has little to do with him having a belt.

 

[Killer Whale]

I see Aspinall beating Jones, Jones beating Pereira, and Pereira beating Aspinall.
Stylistically that’s how I see it.

 

[icemun]

Ah yes, Stipe in the top 10 over 4 years after he last won a fight. Blaydes "beating" Tom by standing still and getting kicked. You're definitely not playing dumb here. At least I hope its just playing.

Listen
What you presumably Tom stans or Jones hater REALLY struggle with are the facts pertaining to rankings

Whether you feel Stipe should be lower or Tom shoukd be higher after losing to Blyades on an undercard, is irrelevant

Those are the UFC fight rankings, the actual organization and what fighters strive to climb

No champion is any organization is going to call out a #8 ranked fighter who just LOST.

there are no participation trophies in mma and youre feelings dont matter

 

[icemun]

You simply keep ignoring that Aspinall is the HW champion. He was the Interim Champion when Jon Ducked him. You keep jumping around claiming Aspinall had just got beat by Blaydes. That isn't when Jones Ducked him. You also are acting like Blaydes beat him when it was a freak injury.

As a fan I don't get why you are arguing for "What Alex and Jones want". As a fan you really want to watch the former HW champ blatantly duck unifying with the Interim, retire for 2 weeks and then come back to fight another LHW that is on paper a perfect style match up for him?

I would love to hear you actually respond directly to my points but I am happy to put you on ignore if you want to gaslight yourself some more.

These are the facts-

When Jones beat #1 Gane (Interim champ) Stipe was #2 and Tom was #7 having lost Curtis Blaydes

No champion is going to call out a barely ranked fighter who just lost.

Tom got the interim belt, Jones retired saying he only wants super fights


Alex Perriera is the only super fight other than Jones in the sport.

These are the facts


Personally Id be pleased to see Jones fight Tom or Alex. But the reality is Jones beats Tom, its no different than beating Gane. "Oh Tom was a nobody and not hat good"


Alex vs Jones is a true superfight everyone will watch

 

[JBJ was here]

Jon and Stipe was booked when Aspinall was ranked seventh. Are you suggesting they burn the contract that was already written for Jones and Stipe to fight?

Stipe was completely toasted when the fight with Jones was originally signed. It was pretty clear in his last two fights with Cormier, even though he won, that Stipe had no knees left and could no longer effectively wrestle or defend against strikes. The fight with Ngannou confirmed that. Regardless of ranking, it was clear that Stipe had absolutely no chance against Jones.

Of course, when the Jones/Miocic fight was first signed there wasn't any kind of a clear #1 HW contender or even a fairly deserving contender who wasn't a clear #1, so the booking wasn't completely crazy; might as well put a big name in the headliner if you can't put a worthy fighter there. Sticking with the booking after Jon was injured wasn't, on it's own, completely crazy either; there's potential value in letting fighters know that they won't lose their title shots just because the champ got injured, even if other fighters have new wins that make them more deserving contenders. What was, however, totally insane was sticking with the originally signed match while also establishing an interim HW title; either Stipe should have had to fight Aspinall for the interim title or forfeited his title shot once the decision to establish an interim title was made.

 

[Superzorro]

Stipe was completely toasted when the fight with Jones was originally signed. It was pretty clear in his last two fights with Cormier, even though he won, that Stipe had no knees left and could no longer effectively wrestle or defend against strikes. The fight with Ngannou confirmed that. Regardless of ranking, it was clear that Stipe had absolutely no chance against Jones.

Of course, when the Jones/Miocic fight was first signed there wasn't any kind of a clear #1 HW contender or even a fairly deserving contender who wasn't a clear #1, so the booking wasn't completely crazy; might as well put a big name in the headliner if you can't put a worthy fighter there. Sticking with the booking after Jon was injured wasn't, on it's own, completely crazy either; there's potential value in letting fighters know that they won't lose their title shots just because the champ got injured, even if other fighters have new wins that make them more deserving contenders. What was, however, totally insane was sticking with the originally signed match while also establishing an interim HW title; either Stipe should have had to fight Aspinall for the interim title or forfeited his title shot once the decision to establish an interim title was made.

So then your problem is with the validity of UFC rankings and the premature issuing of an interim title, not Jon Jones.
Stipe is a legend, he shouldn’t be forced to do anything in favor of the new guy. He's earned his right to be treated fairly.

 

[Superzorro]

Yes. I am indeed suggesting that a champion shouldnt be defending his belt against a challenger who hasnt won a fight in over 4 years instead of the interim champion that everyone is telling him to fight. Crazy I know.

Take it up with the UFC and their ranking systems and protocols then. Because you can’t say that those weren’t their official rankings, or that any of the previous posts contain false information.

 

[Primenal]

Take it up with the UFC and their ranking systems and protocols then. Because you can’t say that those weren’t their official rankings, or that any of the previous posts contain false information.

As a legend I don't think many cared that Stipe got a fight/ payday, but everybody expected Jones to defend against the the deserving interim champ right after. Instead he held the belt for as long as he could, dropped the belt and ran away

 

[Superzorro]

As a legend I don't think many cared that Stipe got a fight/ payday, but everybody expected Jones to defend against the the deserving interim champ right after. Instead he held the belt for as long as he could, dropped the belt and ran away

Why would you expect him to do something that he was on record saying he wouldn’t do, over a year before? Thats what I don’t understand. You guys expect Jones to go out of his way to bow down and pay you favors, when all you’ve done throughout his entire career is shit on him. He owes you nothing. He said he was retiring after Stipe before he fought Gane.

 

[mkess101]

Listen
What you presumably Tom stans or Jones hater REALLY struggle with are the facts pertaining to rankings

Whether you feel Stipe should be lower or Tom shoukd be higher after losing to Blyades on an undercard, is irrelevant

Those are the UFC fight rankings, the actual organization and what fighters strive to climb

No champion is any organization is going to call out a #8 ranked fighter who just LOST.

there are no participation trophies in mma and youre feelings dont matter

Rankings are arbitrary and don't even determine title shots. Alex defended against Rountree who was ranked 4th or 5th. Acting like rankings are some utterly objective determinant of anything is completely false.