Jones haters in absolute shambles

[BFoe]

Shooto is one of, if not THE, oldest MMA orgs in the world. It absolutely was the premier org for lighter weights at the time, friend. Sakurai was the #1 WW and the #1 p4p. That title had value and substance. Yes, there could be fighters (like Miletich) who were ranked but not fighting in Shooto. He was, after all, the UFC WW champ. Hughes was ranked high too once he got the WW title, but Sakurai was the top guy. Kind of like how PRIDE champs were typically ranked higher than UFC champs at one point.

Shooto paved the way for PRIDE, guy. They were around for years before and after PRIDE existed.

RINGS tourney titles are meh to me personally. Fucky rules and questionable shit. That's irrelevant anyway...

Let's talk more on how you want to disregard Silva as a 2 weight champ because "Shooto". Please elaborate.

No, let’s talk more about how important being #1 in a weight class and #1 P4P means to you when it happens in Shooto but not in Affliction.
And this is just classic, classic Fioretti:

RINGS tourney titles are meh to me personally. Fucky rules and questionable shit. That's irrelevant anyway...

Lmao Shooto didn’t have any fucky rules? They had a knockdown rule. They allowed strikes to the back of the head until like 2008 or 2009. They didn’t have championship rounds, title fights were still 3 rounds @ 5 mins each. Some classes of fighters couldn’t land ground strikes to the head, just like RINGS. Fucking hell man…

I acknowledge all belts in some way, shape, or form. But not all belts are equal: I generally don’t weight RINGS, Shooto, Cage Rage. Bellator, WAMMA, Strikeforce, DREAM, EliteXC, ONE, WSOF/PFL titles as heavily as I do for UFC and PRIDE belts.

The fact that you give me shit for taking those titles into some kind of account, but then do the exact same thing for your favorite guy—while simultaneously disregarding those other titles for other fighters—is hilarious.
Fioretti gonna Fioretti, I guess.

 

[Fioretti]

No, let’s talk more about how important being #1 in a weight class and #1 P4P means to you when it happens in Shooto but not in Affliction.
And this is just classic, classic Fioretti:

Lmao Shooto didn’t have any fucky rules? They had a knockdown rule. They allowed strikes to the back of the head until like 2008 or 2009. They didn’t have championship rounds, title fights were still 3 rounds @ 5 mins each. Some classes of fighters couldn’t land ground strikes to the head, just like RINGS. Fucking hell man…

I acknowledge all belts in some way, shape, or form. But not all belts are equal: I generally don’t weight RINGS, Shooto, Cage Rage. Bellator, WAMMA, Strikeforce, DREAM, EliteXC, ONE, WSOF/PFL titles as heavily as I do for UFC and PRIDE belts.

The fact that you give me shit for taking those titles into some kind of account, but then do the exact same thing for your favorite guy—while simultaneously disregarding those other titles for other fighters—is hilarious.
Fioretti gonna Fioretti, I guess.

Shooto was nowhere near as fucky as RINGS. They adjusted their rules, like UFC, over time.

You try to count WAMMA "defenses" for Fedro. Shit's weak. The concept is cool, but it was executed poorly. Had he beat the current UFC champion for the title, it would have been executed as intended. He didn't. He didn't beat the #1 ranked guy for the title as Silva did. It was a made up belt, not an established one.

Tell me again how Silva isn't a 2 weight champ. Bfoe gonna dick dangle. Is normal.

 

[STRAWBOSS]

Mark Hunt is fuming

Hunt has gone off the rails.

 

[RJ43]

The guy is a tool but he’s been the best fighter ever for a long long time. He has literally no real weaknesses and despite being a headcase outside of the cage he is bulletproof inside.

 

[underdog68]

Damn hunt lmao

His butt hurt rants are always pure comedy

And he's entitled to feel that way.

I wish the wonderland of clean sports were a thing but sadly that's not the world we live in.

All our favorite athletes are using something and that's just a reality that needs to be accepted imo.

Not true. Khabib, Mcgregor, Dustin are natural.

 

[Xanzito]

Im laughing my ass off here...

Yesterday: "Jones never fought a guy as big, fast, talented in striking, with amazing footwork as Gane"

Today: "Gane was tailor-made for Jones, outwrestled by Frank, never that good"

Come on, i didn't believe he could do it either, just put some ketchup and eat your crow.

 

[Th3 Gr38 1]

they are connor newbs. anyone who watched jones and gane previously knew gane was getting destroyed.

The problem was that Jones had been out for three years and looked like absolute shit with a big gut and little arms. No one knew if he would be the same Jones we knew all these years ago.

I was wrong as it turned out. Ring rust isn't the same with all time greats it seems.

 

[BFoe]

Shooto was nowhere near as fucky as RINGS. They adjusted their rules, like UFC, over time.

You try to count WAMMA "defenses" for Fedro. Shit's weak. The concept is cool, but it was executed poorly. Had he beat the current UFC champion for the title, it would have been executed as intended. He didn't. He didn't beat the #1 ranked guy for the title as Silva did. It was a made up belt, not an established one.

Tell me again how Silva isn't a 2 weight champ. Bfoe gonna dick dangle. Is normal.

We’re not talking about what happened over time, we’re talking about 2001. We’re talking about the time period in which Silva won a Shooto title.
Did Shooto have rules different from modern MMA in 2001, or not?
The answer is yes, of course they did.
RINGS—the original RINGS promotion, I mean—didn’t really get a chance to evolve over time, it closed up shop in like 2002 or so.

And to answer the dumb question you keep repeating, I have never denied Silva being a 2 weight champ—but his Shooto title win is not on par with a UFC HW title win. If one doesn’t care about PEDs, Jones is clearly ahead of Silva, and he was ahead of Silva before last night as well.

What’s got me laughing is that you won’t take Fedor’s WAMMA titles into any consideration at all, meanwhile you claim Jones has to get a UFC HW title defense to surpass Silva—because Silva won a fucking Shooto belt. <45>
I’ll bet if Jones does that, you’ll find some other goofy reason to keep ranking your favorite guy ahead of him.

This shit here:

The concept is cool, but it was executed poorly. Had he beat the current UFC champion for the title, it would have been executed as intended. He didn't. He didn't beat the #1 ranked guy for the title as Silva did. It was a made up belt, not an established one.

Is beyond stupid.
Made up belt? How do titles come to be? How did the Shooto title come to be? Orgs make it up. In fact, there was like a several year gap where the Shooto MW title wasn’t even defended. Mach Sakurai won it by fighting for a vacant belt.
Fedor himself was the #1 HW in the world, durr. The WAMMA belt was created the same way the Shooto belt was, the PRIDE belt was, the Strikeforce belt was, the DREAM belt was, and on and on. Even the UFC HW belt was created somewhat similarly, as they had two guys with other belts fight and called the winner the UFC Heavyweight Champion. That’s literally how title lineages in most orgs begin.
Sure the UFC was never gonna let the WAMMA belt be defended in the UFC, but Strikeforce did. The WAMMA belt was defended in multiple orgs.

Fedor-Arlovski for example, was a title fight in a major org, an org with legit talent, between the #1 and #2 HWs in the world. But you discount it wholesale, while propping up Silva’s Shooto title win. Truly amazing.

 

[Diederik]

That sound he made at the end of the octagoon interview makes more sense now, he was subtly claiming to be the goat.
At first I thought he was subtly insulting Khabib.

 

[TrueFightFan]

@TrueFightFan @snackgod

Enjoy your victory, little brother.

 

[Shidlord]

Lol....Silva never moved up and became champ...gsp did....Jon did...Silva is 4th behind the khabib gsp Jon trio

hold on khabib never moved up either lol

 

[Fioretti]

We’re not talking about what happened over time, we’re talking about 2001. We’re talking about the time period in which Silva won a Shooto title.
Did Shooto have rules different from modern MMA in 2001, or not?
The answer is yes, of course they did.
RINGS—the original RINGS promotion, I mean—didn’t really get a chance to evolve over time, it closed up shop in like 2002 or so.

And to answer the dumb question you keep repeating, I have never denied Silva being a 2 weight champ—but his Shooto title win is not on par with a UFC HW title win. If one doesn’t care about PEDs, Jones is clearly ahead of Silva, and he was ahead of Silva before last night as well.

What’s got me laughing is that you won’t take Fedor’s WAMMA titles into any consideration at all, meanwhile you claim Jones has to get a UFC HW title defense to surpass Silva—because Silva won a fucking Shooto belt. <45>
I’ll bet if Jones does that, you’ll find some other goofy reason to keep ranking your favorite guy ahead of him.

This shit here:

Is beyond stupid.
Made up belt? How do titles come to be? How did the Shooto title come to be? Orgs make it up. In fact, there was like a several year gap where the Shooto MW title wasn’t even defended. Mach Sakurai won it by fighting for a vacant belt.
Fedor himself was the #1 HW in the world, durr. The WAMMA belt was created the same way the Shooto belt was, the PRIDE belt was, the Strikeforce belt was, the DREAM belt was, and on and on. Even the UFC HW belt was created somewhat similarly, as they had two guys with other belts fight and called the winner the UFC Heavyweight Champion. That’s literally how title lineages in most orgs begin.
Sure the UFC was never gonna let the WAMMA belt be defended in the UFC, but Strikeforce did. The WAMMA belt was defended in multiple orgs.

Fedor-Arlovski for example, was a title fight in a major org, an org with legit talent, between the #1 and #2 HWs in the world. But you discount it wholesale, while propping up Silva’s Shooto title win. Truly amazing.

Silva beat the #1 WW/p4p fighter to win his first championship. Is he a two weight champ or no?

 

[BFoe]

Silva beat the #1 WW/p4p fighter to win his first championship. Is he a two weight champ or no?

Re-read the post you’re quoting of mine, and you’ll have your answer. I answered the question directly, I’m not sure why you keep pretending I didn’t. Oh I know why— to distract from your blatant favoritism, and contradictory ranking criteria.

So are you going to directly answer my questions like I did yours, or keep trying to distract and deflect?

 

[Fioretti]

Re-read the post you’re quoting of mine, and you’ll have your answer. I answered the question directly, I’m not sure why you keep pretending I didn’t. Oh I know why— to distract from your blatant favoritism, and contradictory ranking criteria.

So are you going to directly answer my questions like I did yours, or keep trying to distract and deflect?

It's a yes or no question, bud. You questioned me calling Silva a 2 weight champ. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[BFoe]

It's a yes or no question, bud. You questioned me calling Silva a 2 weight champ. Do you agree or disagree?

That’s not what I questioned, actually. I questioned you taking his Shooto belt into account but not doing the same for other fighters who won belts in other orgs. That’s what I questioned, and what you refuse to answer.

This is some sad, sad shit. Look at you, dude. Twisting your ranking criteria to suit your favorites, counting things as achievements for Silva that you wouldn’t dare count for other fighters because you know you’d have to rank them ahead of Anderson all time. You’ve been reduced to sad deflections, constantly pretending I haven’t answered a question I answered very directly and clearly, so that you won’t have to answer mine. This is a pitiful display, bud.

 

[Fioretti]

That’s not what I questioned, actually. I questioned you taking his Shooto belt into account but not doing the same for other fighters who won belts in other orgs. That’s what I questioned, and what you refuse to answer.

This is some sad, sad shit. Look at you, dude. Twisting your ranking criteria to suit your favorites, counting things as achievements for Silva that you wouldn’t dare count for other fighters because you know you’d have to rank them ahead of Anderson all time. You’ve been reduced to sad deflections, constantly pretending I haven’t answered a question I answered very directly and clearly, so that you won’t have to answer mine. This is a pitiful display, bud.

You've been refusing to answer it directly since you first replied to me. Is he a 2 weight champ or no?

 

[BFoe]

You've been refusing to answer it directly since you first replied to me. Is he a 2 weight champ or no?

Dude, this is just sad. Adjust your bi-focals and read the words I said:

And to answer the dumb question you keep repeating, I have never denied Silva being a 2 weight champ—but his Shooto title win is not on par with a UFC HW title win. If one doesn’t care about PEDs, Jones is clearly ahead of Silva, and he was ahead of Silva before last night as well.

I’m not the one who has issues taking titles into account. I account for anyone’s titles won in any org when I’m ranking fighters. You’re the one who won’t count titles for fighters other than your fanboy crush Silva. It’s a Shooto belt, bud. Like RINGS, a lot of good fighters went through there, and it’s important to the history of the sport—but it’s hardly a major MMA title. The fact that you’re clutching to this Shooto title but won’t consider fighters’ RINGS titles is hilarious. The orgs existed at the same time, and had many of the same weird rules, but of course you find some sad excuse to care about Shooto belts, but not RINGS belts, or especially the WAMMA belt, which was actually defended in a major org in modern times against elite competition.

Each time we have a debate like this I uncover some goofy illogical shit that you cling to. You like to give Fedor fans shit for excuses, but you’re probably the worst offender for sad excuses on this site.

 

[Fioretti]

Dude, this is just sad. Adjust your bi-focals and read the words I said:

I’m not the one who has issues taking titles into account. I account for anyone’s titles won in any org when I’m ranking fighters. You’re the one who won’t count titles for fighters other than your fanboy crush Silva. It’s a Shooto belt, bud. Like RINGS, a lot of good fighters went through there, and it’s important to the history of the sport—but it’s hardly a major MMA title. The fact that you’re clutching to this Shooto title but won’t consider fighters’ RINGS titles is hilarious. The orgs existed at the same time, and had many of the same weird rules, but of course you find some sad excuse to care about Shooto belts, but not RINGS belts, or especially the WAMMA belt, which was actually defended in a major org in modern times against elite competition.

Each time we have a debate like this I uncover some goofy illogical shit that you cling to. You like to give Fedor fans shit for excuses, but you’re probably the worst offender for sad excuses on this site.

That's a lot of extra words, buddy. This was your initial response to me in this thread:

You count Silva as a 2-division champ because he won the Shooto title?

Yes, I count him as a 2 weight champion because he is a 2 weight champion. Do you? It's yes or no.

 

[BFoe]

That's a lot of extra words, buddy. This was your initial response to me in this thread:



Yes, I count him as a 2 weight champion because he is a 2 weight champion. Do you? It's yes or no.

My initial response was because you don’t do the same thing for other fighters. I think it’s hilarious that after refusing to acknowledge the WAMMA HW title or RINGS titles as having any significance, your reasoning for clinging to Silva over Jones as GOAT is because of Silva’s Shooto title. Classic Fioretti, making excuses and moving goalposts as needed.

 

[Fioretti]

My initial response was because you don’t do the same thing for other fighters. I think it’s hilarious that after refusing to acknowledge the WAMMA HW title or RINGS titles as having any significance, your reasoning for clinging to Silva over Jones as GOAT is because of Silva’s Shooto title. Classic Fioretti, making excuses and moving goalposts as needed.

Lots of projections, bud. Is he a 2 weight champ or not? Just say yes or no.