Jones' glaring weakness: boxing and punching power

[mommas homeboy]

Jones is very good at everything and this is better than being close to perfect at any one thing, including being gifted with power. So take a guy who is really good at everything, is very relaxed in the octagon, and marry that with a ridiculously high fight IQ and this dude is what you get. Was beating Stipe awe inspiring? No. Jon still has what it takes though and I hope he and Aspinall can fight within a year. Aspinall is the only guy I can see having a chance. Young, technical, strong, and savvy.

Yeah, I hadn't even watched any of Aspinall's fights until like a week ago. But he is fucking dangerous. If Jones beat him, it would be hard to argue against him being the GOAT, even with past PED use.

 

[Captain Herb]

It's his long-ass limbs that make him so dangerous. He keeps you at a distance with his reach (punches and kicks), and if a kick lands, it could end the fight right then and there. And if you get too close, he'll wrap you up and take you down with his octopus arms and his incredible wrestling. In order to beat him, you have to have excellent TDD, and be a quality boxer with serious power. You'd also have to be able to dodge spinning elbows, and all kinds unpredictable kicks.

Will that happen before he retires? Seriously doubt it. One thing is for sure, Pereira has no chance in hell of not getting beat down. He has excellent stand up, but none of the qualities you'd need to avoid Jones' most dangerous weapons.

If you get Jones going backwards, he is susceptible to a good boxer with reach and speed, which is what Aspinall is. The Reyes fight is a blueprint to beat Jones. TDD required though.

 

[Black Blood]

GOAT MMA fighter will be debated forever, and I disagree, largely because of the PED factor. But let's not get into that here, okay buddy?

There have already been about 7,284 threads on that topic.

Fair enough. One of the greatest MMA fighters ever than.

So good that we're left nit-picking to find flaws in his technique/skillset.

 

[BangBang]

Glaring weakness is speed (compared to Aspinall)

 

[mommas homeboy]

Because it's not a huge flaw. It's just the weakest part of his game, but he's good at everything

It is a huge flaw though. I mean, how can being a bad boxer with no KO power not be considered a huge flaw in MMA?

 

[mommas homeboy]

Fair enough. One of the greatest MMA fighters ever than.

So good that we're left nit-picking to find flaw in his technique/skillset.

I also think something he may not get enough credit for is his chin. I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen him in trouble due to getting punched in the face or kicked in the head.

It's quite possible that that is the most unsung quality he has, and almost nobody talks about it.

 

[613]

It is a huge flaw though. I mean, how can being a bad boxer with no KO power not be considered a huge flaw in MMA?

Because he isn't a bad boxer and this is mma. His boxing defence is elite and he never gets hit that hard. His kicks means he almost never has to fight in boxing range. When people get into boxing range he forces them back with knees or throws them. You are acting like he is Maia with his boxing.

 

[Black Blood]

I also think something he may not get enough credit for is his chin. I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen him in trouble due to getting punched in the face or kicked in the head.

It's quite possible that that is the most unsung quality he has, and almost nobody talks about it.

Jones is like the final boss in an old-school fighting game made flesh. He's bigger than you, stronger, faster, with more moves, more stamina, more health. On top of that he's an asshole lol.

 

[613]

I also think something he may not get enough credit for is his chin. I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen him in trouble due to getting punched in the face or kicked in the head.

It's quite possible that that is the most unsung quality he has, and almost nobody talks about it.

His chin had never been tested because he rarely gets hit hard. When he does, he rolls with it well (which is a part of boxing he is elite at)

 

[Tweak896]

Jones almost put Stipe out with boxing, incredible how much hate he gets for dominating the guy in every facet.

 

[Clark Rogers]

It sure seems to be affecting his success rate.

Next revelation, Dana White is rich but he keeps making money.

 

[mommas homeboy]

Jones almost put Stipe out with boxing, incredible how much hate he gets for dominating the guy in every facet.

That's absolute nonsense. He had a clean shot after stunning Stipe with an eye poke, and couldn't finish the job.

But for pom pom dancing cheerleaders like you, anything less than "Jones is the greatest gladiator in world history, and has zero flaws" is considered "hate".

 

[wh4tttt]

He dusted one of his training partners eons ago. Granted it was probably one of new mexicos finest meth heads but nonetheless still some power there lol.(meth heads known for their uncanny ability to take damage)

 

[contrail]

Doesn't need it. He has a great jab and has spent a career nullifying guys who hit harder than he does. His boxing defense is fairly sound, obviously massive reach to fence out/parry, and if someone can mitigate all that enough to connect effectively, he has an iron chin on par with the best we've seen in MMA. Francis had the best chance but that's a moot point now. Aspinall can knock him out of course but I think Jones is too savvy to make the mistakes necessary for that to happen.

Also, Jon barely trained for the first Gus fight; he was partying throughout that "camp" and paid for it with a much harder fight than necessary.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

As phenomenal a fighter as Jones is, his boxing and power in his punches are by far his biggest weakness. Does anybody disagree?

If you look at all the ways he wins, it's almost never been due to powerful punches or quality boxing. If you recall, he got badly outboxed by Gus, could not get the takedown, and was only able to turn the fight around with a spinning back elbow. Against DC, it was a kick that got him the finish, and in the first fight it was takedowns. Against Stipe, a kick. Against most of his opponents, including Gane, he gets them down and either chokes them out or gets the GnP. He has exceptional reach so he can keep fighters at bay with half decent boxing, but they know he's no threat to them using his fists.

So I'm not suggesting he's not a great fighter and incredibly hard to beat, but is there any doubt that his boxing is bad and he has very little power in his punches? Even last night when Stipe seemed to have gotten poked in the eye and stood there stunned. Jones landed a clean punch right to the face and it wasn't a KO, nor did it lead to a finish immediately thereafter.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? You are not very bright and you have way too much time on your hands to write that novel of a shit post.

 

[mommas homeboy]

Jones is like the final boss in an old-school fighting game made flesh. He's bigger than you, stronger, faster, with more moves, more stamina, more health. On top of that he's an asshole lol.

I used to hate him, but now I admire him like I admired John Gotti. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, and nobody can say or do gosh damn thing about it. Teflon Jon.

 

[Tweak896]

That's absolute nonsense. He had a clean shot after stunning Stipe with an eye poke, and couldn't finish the job.

But for pom pom dancing cheerleaders like you, anything less than "Jones is the greatest gladiator in world history, and has zero flaws" is considered "hate".

I'm saying he's good everywhere. It's crazy dude gets a W from so many types of fighters, yet people cling on to his "weaknesses". I don't like the outpointed fingers shit, but it's part of the meta until refs start handing points.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

He wishes he had the hands of Ben Askren.

 

[mommas homeboy]

I'm saying he's good everywhere. It's crazy dude gets a W from so many types of fighters, yet people cling on to his "weaknesses". I don't like the outpointed fingers shit, but it's part of the meta until refs start handing points.

I'm not clinging to anything. I'm just pointing out how amazing it is. I mean, if I had said like 20 years ago that one of the future GOAT contenders will be a bad boxer with almost no KO power, but will be so outstanding everywhere else that it won't matter, people probably wouldn't have believed me.

 

[Gamer2k4]

What does punching power matter when he can crumple heavyweights with rib-cracking kicks to the body?