Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

[BFoe]

Well this was in reference to Dan Henderson knocking Fedor out. Neither of them participated in USADA testing and theres nothing to fail if there is no testing.


The excuse that a forty year old MW knocked Fedor out because he was on test, is ridiculous.

In Pride steroids were encouraged, Fedor all of a sudden cant compete with forty year old MWs OUTSIDE of Pride?

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You’re just repeating the same dumb shit I’ve already torn apart and pissed on, and posting the same tired pics you always post. Go sleep it off.

 

[The Last King]

Any other excuses? I'm waiting.

You're waiting because you're low iq

DC beat Bigfoot 2 years and 9 fights into his career.

Cain beat Bigfoot 10 fights and 6 years into his career.

Fedor lost to Bigfoot 35 fights and 11 years into his career.

Cain and DC were both retired 10 years into their careers.

 

[chs140]

Except it didn’t happen that way at all. Fedor first fought in the U.S. in 2006, and won that fight; fought in the US again in 2008 and won that fight; fought 2 more times in the US in 2009 and won those fights; it wasn’t until 2010 that he was beaten in the US.

Tbh, with people like Jones, Anderson, Werdum, and other guys that have PED failures, it’s pretty useless to talk about Father Time. Same with Hendo and TRT. It’s very difficult to judge the effects of time on people who take steroids to negate that exact thing.

I'm sure Fedor was the only one isln pride that was super clean.

 

[Lightning Victor]

I'm sure Fedor was the only one isln pride that was super clean.

The only clean guy in PRIDE was Sakuraba.

 

[ferrisjso]

The only clean guy in PRIDE was Sakuraba.

I think the only clean one was Rampage because hes the only one who improved after leaving Pride.

Saku could have been clean but he wasn't really relevant the last few years of Pride. I'm talking the stars.

 

[BFoe]

I'm sure Fedor was the only one isln pride that was super clean.

I don’t know if he was, or wasn’t. What we do know is:

• Fedor has denied using steroids.
• Fedor has never been seriously accused by anyone, including opponents, teammates, coaches, his crazy brother, or other fighters, of using steroids.
• Fedor has never had a physique or done superhuman things outside the realm of what is natural.
• Despite fighting under and being tested by a variety of U.S commissions, including events where other fighters pissed hot, Fedor has never failed a test.

Those are facts. It’s a far cry from Jones and his myriad of failures and suspicious tests.

 

[mraa1]

They bring up Hunt but never mention Vitor, a guy that's really only known for striking damn near tearing Jon's arm off.
Its always funny reading these threads because you can tell most of them didn't watch Fedor, but highlights or gifs sir lol.

Probably because they aren't comparable at all and suggesting that they are is laughable. Vitor may have always been known in MMA for his striking but the guy is a bjj bb under Carlson Gracie. What's Hunt's grappling background/lineage?

 

[Lightning Victor]

I think the only clean one was Rampage because hes the only one who improved after leaving Pride.

Saku could have been clean but he wasn't really relevant the last few years of Pride. I'm talking the stars.

Good point. I think rampage had an interview with Helwani and he said he turn down PEDs from some pride officials, and was not happy with fighters using PEDs in PRIDE.

 

[StonedLemur]

Probably because they aren't comparable at all and suggesting that they are is laughable. Vitor may have always been known in MMA for his striking but the guy is a bjj bb under Carlson Gracie. What's Hunt's grappling background/lineage?

2 different weight classes too, yet nobody is talking about Jon nearly getting beat by the smaller man.

 

[BowserJr]

Any version of Bones murders any version of Fedor 10 outta 10

Prime v Prime Fedor subs or KOs Jones

Jones is too slow. Fedor is too explosive, too good lateral move, too strong, too fast and so much more

 

[johny ringo]

I’ll add my 2 cents. Fedor is the best HW ever. Jones is the GOAT. Huge fan of both. I could see either man getting the win. Fedor has been submitted, taken down and KO’d. While Jones has won or dominated everyone he fought.

 

[Prefect]

Any version of Bones murders any version of Fedor 10 outta 10

Fedor was Fedor. Don't take anything away from him but the game has gotten better. Both Bones and Fedor though have incredible fight IQ's and were and are able to make amazing improvizations. Fedor would be better too if he started in this era. Bones is no joke and is up there with the best.

 

[Yellowcrab]

And here we go again, as if Fedor was still relevant

 

[Reffson]

Jones wins a fixed fight and all of his fans have him beating prime Fedor. LOL
Fedor out-grappled and submitted better wrestlers than Jones, plus one clean shot and Jones is lights out.

 

[Yellowcrab]

You’re just repeating the same dumb shit I’ve already torn apart and pissed on, and posting the same tired pics you always post. Go sleep it off.

No, everything he said is completely and totally relevant and you never addressed a single of his points except with bullshit and made up arguments.

Fedor was supposed to be clean and was undefeated in Japan with the worst juice abusers (no testing) yet he lost against an old MW that should have been already retired only because of legal TRT. Someone can use TRT with a perfectly normal testosterone level.

This is a complete nonsense and not a single person in his right mind will believe such a bullshit.

You have no evidence Henderson ever abused TRT as you like to say we have no evidence Fedor ever cheated in Japan.

Trust me, you don't convince anyone outside of Fedor's fanatics and you live in a bubble.

 

[Glass Heart]

Jones submitted an overhyped kickboxer and now he's the HW Goat?

Just Sherdog things, I guess. You fucking retards never cease to amaze me.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Jones wins a fixed fight and all of his fans have him beating prime Fedor. LOL
Fedor out-grappled and submitted better wrestlers than Jones, plus one clean shot and Jones is lights out.

Everyone submits Randleman and Coleman lol


Hunt sidemounted Fedor....twice

 

[BFoe]

No, everything he said is completely and totally relevant and you never addressed a single of his points except with bullshit and made up arguments.

Fedor was supposed to be clean and was undefeated in Japan with the worst juice abusers (no testing) yet he lost against an old MW that should have been already retired only because of legal TRT. Someone can use TRT with a perfectly normal testosterone level.

This is a complete nonsense and not a single person in his right mind will believe such a bullshit.

You have no evidence Henderson ever abused TRT as you like to say we have no evidence Fedor ever cheated in Japan.

Trust me, you don't convince anyone outside of Fedor's fanatics and you live in a bubble.

Why are you such a dishonest shitposter?

At NO TIME have I said “Fedor lost to Hendo because Hendo used TRT.” And I sure as fuck have never said it’s the only reason. In fact, there’s almost never just one reason that fights go the way that they do. What I did actually say, is that the version of Hendo that Fedor fought was in good form due to being in TRT. You like to pretend that Hendo was some decrepit old man, when he was actually coming of a Strikeforce title win in the fight prior to Fedor, and would go on to have his legendary war with Shogun in the next fight.

—The old, decrepit Hendo is the one off TRT, that Cormier and Moose fought. I’m a Hendo fan, but every accolade he ever achieved in the sport was on TRT. Off TRT, he went 2-6.
Those are facts, bud.

The way you fixate on this fight is just bizarre. Losing to Hendo isn’t anything that any fighter, in any weight class, should be ashamed of. Hendo is Top 10 all time AFAIC. Jones may well be lucky UFC 151 was cancelled.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Why are you such a dishonest shitposter?

At NO TIME have I said “Fedor lost to Hendo because Hendo used TRT.”

Meanwhile : —The old, decrepit Hendo is the one off TRT, that Cormier and Moose fought. I’m a Hendo fan, but every accolade he ever achieved in the sport was on TRT. Off TRT, he went 2-6.
Those are facts, bud.

I mean literally even in this message

And once again, it is the worst possible argument as i've already said.

Without TRT his illness wasn't treated anymore, so obviously it could have an impact on his performances (assuming being off TRT is the actual reason) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogonadism

It still doesn't mean he ever abused TRT, you still don't understant that simple point...

You like to pretend that Hendo was some decrepit old man, when he was actually coming of a Strikeforce title win in the fight prior to Fedor, and would go on to have his legendary war with Shogun in the next fight.

Please, he lost against Jake Shields in 2010 yet beat Fedor in 2011

The way you fixate on this fight is just bizarre. Losing to Hendo isn’t anything that any fighter, in any weight class, should be ashamed of. Hendo is Top 10 all time AFAIC. Jones may well be lucky UFC 151 was cancelled.

Because not a single great fighter, NO MATTER THE FIGHTING SPORT, ever lost in the same conditions than Fedor :

- Against a smaller guy coming from a lower weight class
- By KO in the first round
- Against a fighter as old as Hendo + with such an age difference in favor of Fedor

Do you understand ? Not a single great fighter... there's no possible excuse for such a bad loss except for being completely overrated by some fanatics.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Without TRT his illness wasn't treated anymore, so obviously it could have an impact on his performances (assuming being off TRT is the actual reason) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogonadism

It still doesn't mean he ever abused TRT, you still don't understant that simple point...

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