Jon Stewart On Political Correctness

[mcgoatp4p#1]

didnt watch, but i will note that its really easy and common for prejudiced people to use the pc card as a way to excuse their own prejudices. thats not to say there aren't times when political correctness goes overboard. for example, someone i know gets mad when you say mentally retarded instead of developmentally handicapped, which i think is silly, but i dont think its a huge deal and its a pretty dumb thing to get angry about.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Bad Santa, There's Something about Mary, The Big Lebowski, Trading Places... All hilarious and politically incorrect. Unless someone is making fun of my religion (Christianity) I generally don't get offended.

 

[mcgoatp4p#1]

stewart was right for the most part. the only thing i'll take exception to is the alleged systemic racism of black folks part. that may have been true in the past, but it's not the case today. black folks who are poor and uneducated don't place importance on education, and that is what is keeping them down today.

how do you back a statement like that up? i mean it could be true, but unless you start a nationwide poll that asks poor black people if they value education its gonna be really hard to prove and you're just going by some personal conjecture. what is true is that the education system is broken, especially in poor black neighborhoods and its incredibly hard to break through it if you live in poverty.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I miss Jon Stewart. He is spot on.
The new Daily Show is mediocre at best, and the same for Colbert's new platform. Why oh why did he ever leave the Colbert Report, to go to a sterile network channel, to interview who-gives-a-fuck celebrities.

Last week Tonight is filling up a big void though. But we need you back on TV Stewart!

That whole smug leftist political comedy scene sucks ass. Stewart, Colbert and Oliver all repeat the same smug, self-righteous jokes. If it were not for Fox news, those smug bastards would not have even had jobs in the first place.

John Stewart: "Did you hear that stupid thing that one Fox commentator said last night. (shows video clip) Hello, it's 2015. What an idiot."

College Student: "HAHAHAHAHA! What a sick burn. Jon Stewart is a God!. Fox News Sucks. Woooh"

Christopher Hitchens wrote a wonderful article taking down the smug humor of self-righteous assholes like Stewart, Colbert and Oliver.

Cheap Laughs

The smug satire of liberal humorists debases our comedy—and our national conversation.

 

[IIIIIIII]

how do you back a statement like that up? i mean it could be true, but unless you start a nationwide poll that asks poor black people if they value education its gonna be really hard to prove and you're just going by some personal conjecture. what is true is that the education system is broken, especially in poor black neighborhoods and its incredibly hard to break through it if you live in poverty.

everyone has a right to free education in this country. there is no excuse to not have at least a high school diploma. that is enough to secure a full-time job and to have a roof over your head and food in your stomach. of course it's true that there could be extenuating circumstances for certain people that may prevent them from attending high school, but i'm talking about the majority. the education system is not broken to where someone cannot receive an education. the problem with poor black people is the lack of a healthy family structure. most black men in prison came from broken families, or did not have a father figure in their life. it's the same of folks from every race. it's just that you see it more with black folks.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

There are two components of the PC criticism. The first part is sensitivity. Sensitivity is learned, by a large part. For example, different gestures are considered offensive in different cultures. Our beliefs are what's causing us to get offended. The gesture itself is irrelevant, it's our interpretation of the gesture that matters. The word "cracker" isn't what's making people to get upset. They have an internal rule that says it's unacceptable to to say that word. Breaking that rule is what's upsetting them.

People are criticizing the sensitivity part, sure, but that's usually not the main focus of it. People are criticizing pc culture because pc people are trying to change how other people behave. That's the bad part. I would like people to be less sensitive, but if they don't change, that's ok by me. I don't think anybody is saying they have to change. Nobody is forcing them to change.

On the other hand, there are real consequences now if you say stuff other people don't like. You don't hold the same beliefs as I do? You're evil and we must get you fired and ruin your life. That's scary.

People are criticizing pc culture because pc people are trying to change how other people behave. That's the bad part.

This is exactly the problem with PC culture. People are tired of it because you have hysterical grievance groups running around trying to ban everything they disagree with and dictating how people should think and feel. Certainly, the religious right does this as well, but people are currently focused on the left because leftists are the ones causing all of the problems at the moment.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

That whole smug leftist political comedy scene sucks ass. Stewart, Colbert and Oliver all repeat the same smug, self-righteous jokes. If it were not for Fox news, those smug bastards would not have even had jobs in the first place.

John Stewart: "Did you hear that stupid thing that one Fox commentator said last night. (shows video clip) Hello, it's 2015. What an idiot."

College Student: "What a sick burn. Jon Stewart is a God!. Fox News Sucks. Woooh"

Christopher Hitchens wrote a wonderful article taking down the smug humor of self-righteous assholes like Stewart, Colbert and Oliver.

Cheap Laughs

The smug satire of liberal humorists debases our comedy—and our national conversation.

They are just attacking the low hanging fruit that is Fox News and the majority of right wing politicians. Ever notice how all the late night comedians attack the right? Not usually the left because the ammunition on the right is abundant while left wing politicians are far more sane and normal people.

Why is there no conservative Jon Stewart? Are they not funny or is the left just too normal? The right brings us the likes of Bush Jr, Sarah Palin, Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Cheney. I mean the list goes on and and on and on. Who on the left is a complete embarrassment to their party?

If you look at the republican party now they are in absolute chaos. It's a joke and they are just living up to what many Americans know to be true.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

They are just attacking the low hanging fruit that is Fox News and the majority of right wing politicians. Ever notice how all the late night comedians attack the right? Not usually the left because the ammunition on the right is abundant while left wing politicians are far more sane and normal people.

Why is there no conservative Jon Stewart? Are they not funny or is the left just too normal? The right brings us the likes of Bush Jr, Sarah Palin, Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Cheney. I mean the list goes on and and on and on. Who on the left is a complete embarrassment to their party?

If you look at the republican party now they are in absolute chaos. It's a joke and they are just living up to what many Americans know to be true.

Why is there no conservative Jon Stewart?

With the exception of Milo Yiannopolous and Stephen Croder, nobody on the Right is smug or self-righteous enough to pander smug jokes to immature college kids.

 

[ehtheist]

I really wish this guy wasn't given the platform that he is. This guy is hand in hand with the major news networks for lowering the political IQ of the youth.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

Nobody on the Right is smug or self-righteous enough to pander smug jokes to immature college kids.

Maybe they just aren't smart or funny enough. btw Jon Stewart, Colbert and the like are hilarious. Made a ton of money doing it and were right more often then they were wrong. You shouldn't be so smug and closed minded.

Maybe the right should stop providing endless amounts of material and comedians would have nothing to go after but the drum beat carries on.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

I really wish this guy wasn't given the platform that he is. This guy is hand in hand with the major news networks for lowering the political IQ of the youth.

Raising the political IQ I think you mean. He calls out the right wing nonsense and exposes their ideas as laughable which they are.

 

[SMEAC]

Maybe they just aren't smart or funny enough. btw Jon Stewart, Colbert and the like are hilarious. Made a ton of money doing it and were right more often then they were wrong. You shouldn't be so smug and closed minded.

Maybe the right should stop providing endless amounts of material and comedians would have nothing to go after but the drum beat carries on.

Hank Johnson thought an island would tip, don't act so smug like anything is exclusive. Some just seems to get more traction via what the voices choose

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Maybe they just aren't smart or funny enough. btw Jon Stewart, Colbert and the like are hilarious. Made a ton of money doing it and were right more often then they were wrong. You shouldn't be so smug and closed minded.

Maybe the right should stop providing endless amounts of material and comedians would have nothing to go after but the drum beat carries on.

I would be embarrassed to openly admit that Stewart, Colbert and Oliver are hilarious. I think it is a credit to the Right that there are not any Stewart, Colbert, Oliver, Trevor Noah clones.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I find Stewart's argument to be hypocritical. He also confuses objecting to things as being too PC. If this were the case, he is being "too PC" in this very video.

He gives the Merry Christmas/Happy holidays example. It's politically correct to say Happy holidays because alluding to Christmas offends people. Objecting to this by saying it's too PC is not in itself being too PC, that's an inane argument. If that were true, he's being too PC by pointing out that those who argue that things are too PC are too PC.

No one is trying to censor people from saying Happy holidays. People are trying to censor Merry Christmas. How do you not see the difference there?

i think he was alluding to the point that some people on the right openly object "happy holidays" and view it as an attack on christmas. Its a trigger word for many right wing christians. Like how they got riled up over starbucks cups.

 

[lifelessheap]

I hate political correctness because it is just bullshit to control language, and if you want to control language you want to control human thought. I abhor the thought of a group of agenda driven assholes trying to control my thoughts.

Fuck you. Fuck your political correctness. Everyone needs to stop being humongous pussies and realize that words aren't fucking bullets or missiles. I have a daughter and I am teaching her what my parents taught me. Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt you.

If someone gets offended by something someone says then they are a weak, disgusting piece of shit. People can say whatever they want about me, but I have the ability to give no fucks. I give no fucks, because if I cared what you had to say that would mean I am giving you power over me. Sorry, but I refuse to give you power over me.

On another forum some girl was constantly pissed about my plain language and conservative leaning views. She got mad that I called a girl fat. The girl was trying to get a job at Twin Peaks (like Hooters) but she was a tub of fat goo. The girl on the forum was also fat and she said it hurt her feelings to see me characterize people in a demeaning way. I had to let her know that she was fat, and the girl trying to work at TP was fat and that was reality, so fucking deal with it. She hit me up with a personal message on the board to tell me that I was making her depressed and made her cry. I kindly explained that I am a fucking stranger on the internet and that my words should have zero impact on her. I asked her why she was letting me have power over her to make her feel bad. I explained that I am just a random asshole and to block me or ignore me. I pleaded with her to understand that my random words on a forum should be meaningless to her life. I have no idea if she got thicker skin because I have a perma ban on IGN.com

lol

I also hate political correctness because it could have ruined one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Patrice Oneal and Louis CK talking about the origins of racist names. Fucking RIP Patrice.

Spoiler

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Raising the political IQ I think you mean. He calls out the right wing nonsense and exposes their ideas as laughable which they are.

He calls out Fox News and low hanging fruit who hardly represent the majority of serious conservatives. If the Right made the same show, then they would just make fun of feminists and SJWs for an hour and call them stupid while the audience cheered mindlessly. Fortunately, as I said earlier, the Right does not care to make a smug show focused on mocking fringe leftists.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

I would be embarrassed to openly admit that Stewart, Colbert and Oliver are hilarious. I think it is a credit to the Right that there are not any Stewart, Colbert, Oliver, Trevor Noah clones.

lol so you advocate not being able to poke fun at politicians... Why so serious? Are we not supposed to make fun of the Vice President shooting someone with a shotgun? Having Trump as your nominee? An entire party that opposes climate change? ALL of Fox News? If it weren't funny then nobody would be laughing but you have half the population laughing at you. There must be something there

 

[mike sherry]

how do you back a statement like that up? i mean it could be true, but unless you start a nationwide poll that asks poor black people if they value education its gonna be really hard to prove and you're just going by some personal conjecture. what is true is that the education system is broken, especially in poor black neighborhoods and its incredibly hard to break through it if you live in poverty.

We can use available metrics like high school graduation rates to make a decently informed opinion

 

[dontsnitch]

i think he was alluding to the point that some people on the right openly object "happy holidays" and view it as an attack on christmas. Its a trigger word for many right wing christians. Like how they got riled up over starbucks cups.

Openly objecting to political correctness is not political correctness. I can grant you that it would be hypocritical for anyone to coerce you to not say happy holidays.

The actual objection is that people are trying to coerce you into not saying merry Christmas because it offends people. It should be you say what you want, and I'll say what I want.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

lol so you advocate not being able to poke fun at politicians... Why so serious? Are we not supposed to make fun of the Vice President shooting someone with a shotgun? Having Trump as your nominee? An entire party that opposes climate change? ALL of Fox News? If it weren't funny then nobody would be laughing but you have half the population laughing at you. There must be something there

I never said that people should not make jokes. My issue is with the smug, condescending, self-righteous tone in which liberal political comedians like Jon Stewart and his clones perform their so-called jokes.