Jon Jones will win the HW title and not because of he is the better fighter....

[Vegesus44]

have at boys.

Have at boys!

<{ByeHomer}>

 

[TempleoftheDog]

All im saying is give the man his credit... For his fighting skill ...


Hes definitely earned the P.O.S part for his antics outside the cage and roids...but hes also earned some respect on his name for his in fight skills...and the fact hes actually fighting at HW after everyone said he wouldnt or couldn't

People need to keep the personal views about him away from what he can do in cage...

Yeah, but uhhhh.. PEDS?

How do I give somebody cred for their “performance” when it starts in a lab? There’s no suspicions, or supposition on my part.

It’s well documented man. And I don’t understand any person with a clean athletic background giving guys like him credit for anything.

That’s never changing for me. Because seriously nobody believes that Jones was ever clean do they?

0 - 1 - 27.. That’s his record in my eyes.

I like you, man. But I don’t get it.

 

[weaponzero2k2]

Sir, lay off the meth ok?
If you think it's fixed don't watch, and if all you're going to do is attack everyone that thinks you're an asshole because you can't write... don't post.

You have the right to believe what you want, but at least convey it in a better fashion, like a normal person perhaps?


The thousand O's you put on LMBO tells me all I need to know about you.
I'm sorry that you're a fuckin raving lunatic, but don't blame me for that son.

I did it because I honestly bust out in laughter by your response. sorry if that offended you

 

[Ozze]

Yeah, let's build a star out of a semi retired fighter who is always in trouble and not around the young prospect with the looks and charisma to be a future star for years to come.

 

[weaponzero2k2]

Yeah, but uhhhh.. PEDS?

How do I give somebody cred for their “performance” when it starts in a lab? There’s no suspicions, or supposition on my part.

It’s well documented man. And I don’t understand any person with a clean athletic background giving guys like him credit for anything.

That’s never changing for me. Because seriously nobody believes that Jones was ever clean do they?

0 - 1 - 27.. That’s his record in my eyes.

I like you, man. But I don’t get it.

Jon was never clean and won't be clean at HW....he waiting this long so he could juice gain weight and find a way not to get caught or the UFC pays off who they need to ....the sad part is I am not trying to hate on Jon by making this statement.

 

[StonedLemur]

I did thank because I honest bust out in laughter by your response. sorry if that offended you

It has fuck all to do with me being offended, you don't bother me.
I think the way you communicate sucks, and you'd get further by learning how to do it correctly.

Now run along son.

 

[weaponzero2k2]

The OP ending with “have at boys!” has me rolling <Lmaoo><45>

because I knew what was coming but it had to be said LOL

 

[weaponzero2k2]

It has fuck all to do with me being offended, you don't bother me.
I think the way you communicate sucks, and you'd get further by learning how to do it correctly.

Now run along son.

the fact that you gave it enough attention means it bothered you otherwise you would have never responded....stop it

 

[weaponzero2k2]

Thank you for these revalations.

you are right .....I should get paid for telling the truth....but people would still want to believe fairy tales about the sport they love every when they insult your intelligence LOL

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Jon was never clean and won't be clean at HW....the waiting this long so he could juice gain weight and find a way not to get caught or the UFC pays off who they need to ....the sad part is I am not trying to hate on Jon by making this statement.

I don’t believe he’s ever been clean. It’s not hate when you have legit reasons.

Like hating O’Malley because he has pink hair, an open relationship with his gf, or that he smokes weed.

Those are personal choices, that are completely separate from the sport.

Being busted for peds, and all kinds of in fight fouls, are a different matter.

I agree with you.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Yeah, but uhhhh.. PEDS?

How do I give somebody cred for their “performance” when it starts in a lab? There’s no suspicions, or supposition on my part.

It’s well documented man. And I don’t understand any person with a clean athletic background giving guys like him credit for anything.

That’s never changing for me. Because seriously nobody believes that Jones was ever clean do they?

0 - 1 - 27.. That’s his record in my eyes.

I like you, man. But I don’t get it.

As much as im against PEDS and my stance has been solid on this throughout my stay on Sherdog ...and i am a 100% clean martial artist myself ..

What jones has accomplished and what i/weve seen him do in the cage isnt simply because of some needles...did it help absolutely and does it throw his legacy into turmoil absolutely but lets not pretend everyone he fought was a clean whistle and lets not pretend that Jones isnt quite abit ahead of everyone else...just natural talent speaking wise...


Hes forever scarred his legacy for the PED use and its something that urks me about him as well as his choices outside of the cage and the breaking of laws/endangerment of others...

But just from a pure fighting view...he should be respected and shouldn't be looked at like he was never that good ...

Hes not my favorite fighter...im just able to separate the drama from the skill...u put his skills in anyone elses body and id have respect for them kind of thing too...and because they arent Ped users would likely be my favorite fighter...but the PEDS keeps Jones out of that spot for me ...and he cant be officially the GOAT cuz of it...im.always careful to word his greatness wisely because of the *

 

[TempleoftheDog]

But just from a pure fighting view...he should be respected and shouldn't be looked at like he was never that good ...

NO..

I’ve NEVER said he was not that good.

I’m 100% positve Ben Johnson was faster than almost any human that ever existed. But it was peds that made him the fastest EVER in human history.

How do I give him credit for cheating? No matter what any of his opponents did.. He got busted. That’s all she wrote.

There are specific reasons Ben Johnson, and Lance Armstrong were deleted from the official record books.

I don’t hold anybody to standards I just disregard for myself. The highest I ever placed in International competition was 4th. You have NO idea how badly I wanted a medal. But even winning bronze would have meant FUCK ALL to me, if I knew I cheated to get it.

I’m fine with my stance. And it’s NEVER changing. And nothing personal.. I don’t believe a single athlete is clean if they support a proven ped cheat.

In other words.. EVERY single mma fighter that has said Jones is the GOAT since he got busted the FIRST time.. Let alone subsequent times. Is using peds.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Are you retarded he said that he thinks about worst case scenario and that if he pass 1st round that he will annnilate Frank, not that he don't care about ngannou koing him

lol copium

the UFC NEEDS Jon Jones to win and they will ensure it .

then they would just give him the belt. it's not like they haven't done shit like that before.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

As much as im against PEDS and my stance has been solid on this throughout my stay on Sherdog ...and i am a 100% clean martial artist myself ..

What jones has accomplished and what i/weve seen him do in the cage isnt simply because of some needles...did it help absolutely and does it throw his legacy into turmoil absolutely but lets not pretend everyone he fought was a clean whistle and lets not pretend that Jones isnt quite abit ahead of everyone else...just natural talent speaking wise...


Hes forever scarred his legacy for the PED use and its something that urks me about him as well as his choices outside of the cage and the breaking of laws/endangerment of others...

But just from a pure fighting view...he should be respected and shouldn't be looked at like he was never that good ...

Hes not my favorite fighter...im just able to separate the drama from the skill...u put his skills in anyone elses body and id have respect for them kind of thing too...and because they arent Ped users would likely be my favorite fighter...but the PEDS keeps Jones out of that spot for me ...and he cant be officially the GOAT cuz of it...im.always careful to word his greatness wisely because of the *

he was the best at LHW. keyword WAS. today? he might still be the best LHW but HW is a different story. taking 10 yrs to prove it is a huge reason why i don't believe in him. if he believed he could do it he would've done it like Adesanya and gone up after a few defenses. waiting this 10 yrs is just another coping mechanism for Jon. he gave us a glimpse into how he thinks when he told Rogan that he parties the week before big fights so in case he loses he can look himself in the mirror and say that wasn't me at my best.

that's exactly what he's doing here. he waited 10 yrs until his prime is practically gone and in case he loses at HW he can say, but i wasn't at my best.

 

[GrantB13]

But Jones isn’t even that big of a draw.

 

[tbulls123]

Jones will win this. I don't think it'll be close. I jsut think he's that good. The only question is, will he beat the piss challenge? lol.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

there is definitely method to the madness.... if gane wins, then if makes Francis superior. if jones wins, they will set the stage for the GOAT and market jones as the unstoppable HW Champ - and set up stipe match where he will more than likely win, unfortunately, and then it will be that jones beat the champ that beat ngannou setting up mma math!

 

[Paolo Delutis]

NO..

I’ve NEVER said he was not that good.

I’m 100% positve Ben Johnson was faster than almost any human that ever existed. But it was peds that made him the fastest EVER in human history.

How do I give him credit for cheating? No matter what any of his opponents did.. He got busted. That’s all she wrote.

There are specific reasons Ben Johnson, and Lance Armstrong were deleted from the official record books.

I don’t hold anybody to standards I just disregard for myself. The highest I ever placed in International competition was 4th. You have NO idea how badly I wanted a medal. But even winning bronze would have meant FUCK ALL to me, if I knew I cheated to get it.

I’m fine with my stance. And it’s NEVER changing. And nothing personal.. I don’t believe a single athlete is clean if they support a proven ped cheat.

In other words.. EVERY single mma fighter that has said Jones is the GOAT since he got busted the FIRST time.. Let alone subsequent times. Is using peds.

I hear u.. he's not GOAT for me either ..

Ur alittle harder on this stance then me and i can respect that....im all for clean combat sports , i dont care so much about other sports...i still consider it cheating ofcourse but combat sports ur fighting people and injuring them so to me u shouldn't be aided in doing that..at all


But im not gunna say Jones is garbage without PEDs...hes probably one of those guys who didnt even need Roids but took them for the shortcut , mental advantage and the fact hes impulsive by nature..which hes proven with other actions...

But jones aint gunna be Goat ...just like those others uve mentioned

 

[Paolo Delutis]

he was the best at LHW. keyword WAS. today? he might still be the best LHW but HW is a different story. taking 10 yrs to prove it is a huge reason why i don't believe in him. if he believed he could do it he would've done it like Adesanya and gone up after a few defenses. waiting this 10 yrs is just another coping mechanism for Jon. he gave us a glimpse into how he thinks when he told Rogan that he parties the week before big fights so in case he loses he can look himself in the mirror and say that wasn't me at my best.

that's exactly what he's doing here. he waited 10 yrs until his prime is practically gone and in case he loses at HW he can say, but i wasn't at my best.

He hasnt taken 10 years... He never formally moved anywhere....till recently when he did infact move up ..

He was just testing the waters for that Brock Lesnar money back in the day..

Like ive said in many threads now since the fight has been announced...Jones has been a HW his entire career... But had to think about weight cuts and weight management to stay at LHW ...now he doesnt ...just conditioning and skills for a full camp ..thats a massive difference

Realistically this could be the best jones ever...time will tell ..

But it hasnt been 10 years lol...just cuz a fighter said something about fighting another division doesn't make it an attempt

 

[weaponzero2k2]

lol copium



then they would just give him the belt. it's not like they haven't done shit like that before.

got make it look good....can't just give him the belt that way....he has to look impressive first so people will buy the Francis fight.