Jon Jones vs Tom Aspinall

[Kreative1]

Okay so I'm a newbie here and to the whole sherdog forum thread posting but I wanted to give my take on the whole situation because honestly I can't be the only person that can see that a certain somebody is scared shitless of being steamrolled by a fighter who is IMO in every aspect the better striker, grappler and overall greater martial artist. I literally have sat for the last few hours learning terminology/technicalities of what being an interim champion is, what were the longest times between a champion defending a title and basically internet chitter chatter on why TF Jones hasn't been stripped or made to defend his belt like any other fighter that we all can see is ducking the demise as a champion but his ufc career.

So what do I mean by that? Aspinall is going to be to Jones what Chris Weidman was to Anderson Silva (Silva did exactly what Jones is doing not accepting to fight a no.1 contender). Quote this post and what I'm saying post-fight if there even is one considering Dana's last comment was Jones accepted than you have Jon chat shit saying "I'm so good at what I do it just isn't ever enough" like cunt are you actually taking the piss right now? It will never be enough after testing positive for P.E.D's claiming it was due to erectile dysfunction meds (dude you're 29 at the time fuck you need viagra for?) than another positive reading after coming off a mandatory year suspension, the hit-and-run charges and vacating light heavyweight title?

Basically to summarise everything as a whole in this entire situation also where I'm going with this topic is that like I was once told by the person who introduced me to ufc who's opinion I hold in high regard said wayyyyyy back in 2012 "Yo' Kre8iv remember that prospect Jon Jones I told you about, he's gonna be the next p4p champ just watch" but I think it was when jones started getting dui's and fucking up outside of ufc eg. cocaine usage as well as him gloating to dc about it the same person tells me around 2014-2015 "Jon will go on to become the greatest mma fighter ever and his potential is limitless if it weren't for the only person that can and tbh always has defeated Jones which is himself". Right now it's showing clear as day Jon Jones was and continues to be his own biggest downfall/rival in his career because every instance he looked on track to be the undisputed greatest ufc fighter of his generation/era he fucks it up be it drug usage, dirty fighting tactics in the cage or vacating titles because he fears taking the L and having to bounce back the right way eg. train at/in what aspect defeated you like every fighter has to eventually not go change division or fucking retire due to an ego/pride issue with losing (Mr. 28 and 1 No contest that we all know/count a loss)......

So this concludes my fantasy matchup thread if I am wrong or maybe overlooked anything that may sway my opinion in Jones' favour please dont hesitate to comment/message me in a educating and factual manor, basically don't be riding his meat in my comments/messages coz your personal preference.

 

[Subline]

I wouldn't say Tom is a more skilled striker than Jones and he definitely isn't a better grappler. But, he is big + strong, fast, a good grappler nonetheless and has KO power. Jones is afraid because of how risky of a fight it is.

Also, please use paragraphs.

 

[Kreative1]

I wouldn't say Tom is a more skilled striker than Jones and he definitely isn't a better grappler. But, he is big + strong, fast, a good grappler nonetheless and has KO power. Jones is afraid because of how risky of a fight it is.

Also, please use paragraphs.

More skilled at striking and grappling in this weight division as Jon is accustomed to a more "lean, slender and wiry build" at 205 pounds being a distance/reach striker as well as more agility whereas Tom has predominantly been a HW all of his career/life,
Jones is terrified brother you can see it here like him saying "What do I gain from fighting tom? what's in it for me?" uhhh... A successful title defence and prolonging your reign as HW champion as well as silencing people like me lol


My bad I'll keep that in mind thank you for pointing out paragraphs didn't realise until now it was a clusterfuck of a thread.

 

[Subline]

More skilled at striking and grappling in this weight division as Jon is accustomed to a more "lean, slender and wiry build" at 205 pounds being a distance/reach striker as well as more agility whereas Tom has predominantly been a HW all of his career/life,

I can see that argument for striking because Jones looked super slow and a lot more stiff against Stipe. But his grappling has looked great since his HW move, his wrestling is still elite, his GNP is still nasty and his jiu jitsu/submission game isn't just nonexistent because he moved to HW.

Jones is terrified brother you can see it here

I agree, I don't think anyone would deny that Jones is scared to take this fight at this point besides delusional Jones' fans. I just think it's the physical attributes of Tom that make him a scary fight, moreso than him being more skilled than Jones. Obviously Tom is still skilled but that's not what differentiates him from Jon's previous opponents, it's more about the size, strength, speed, KO power.

 

[Kreative1]

I can see that argument for striking because Jones looked super slow and a lot more stiff against Stipe. But his grappling has looked great since his HW move, his wrestling is still elite, his GNP is still nasty and his jiu jitsu/submission game isn't just nonexistent because he moved to HW.

Definitely not saying he isn't a great BJJ/clinch/grappler because the man obviously has 28 wins for a reason it's just that in majority of his fights his opponents have either less height or reach than jones so he could bully them either wrestling wise sprawl/TD defense and overall GNP while also having a long distance so to speak offensive striking so he uses his reach but Tom physically matches him

I agree, I don't think anyone would deny that Jones is scared to take this fight at this point besides delusional Jones' fans. I just think it's the physical attributes of Tom that make him a scary fight, moreso than him being more skilled than Jones. Obviously Tom is still skilled but that's not what differentiates him from Jon's previous opponents, it's more about the size, strength, speed, KO power.

Potentially could go down as one of the greatest ufc heavyweight fights in history either way Tom has nothing to lose and everything to gain which is unpredictable but pardon me when I say Jones needs to get that pity dick out his mouth realise he can potentially seal his legacy going out on a win than by all means vacate it if he still considers retirement boom longlivejonbonjonesy

 

[Luffy]

Nah. It may be a very tough fight, but if anyone wins, it's JJ... Even if it's as tough as Gus 1 or Reyes, JJ ain't losing. JJ accepted the fight and he isn't going there if he thinks he's losing, he's someone who would diem in the octagon to win. And with Tom, all the ducking meme stuff , JJ is going there not for the $ but to win. If there's someone who isn't gonna retire losing, that is JJ. Like Mayweather. Or Khabib. JJ will be one of those too

 

[Kreative1]

Nah. It may be a very tough fight, but if anyone wins, it's JJ... Even if it's as tough as Gus 1 or Reyes, JJ ain't losing. JJ accepted the fight and he isn't going there if he thinks he's losing, he's someone who would diem in the octagon to win. And with Tom, all the ducking meme stuff , JJ is going there not for the $ but to win. If there's someone who isn't gonna retire losing, that is JJ. Like Mayweather. Or Khabib. JJ will be one of those too

No doubt he has got that instinct as well as receipts to back it up don't get me wrong JJ is that guy I 100% agree, well I did that is until this whole ordeal because taking into account that this is one of the if not the greatest "OG generation fighter" still active who mopped out the LW division best of the best as well as 2 who were p4p fighters at the time yet never displayed the behaviour he has with this call out situation. He should have no hesitation from the second he was called out like any champion/great fighter not bitch and moan about it, just get in there defend the title back your credentials DONE but not this time so yeah. Anyway if he accepted let's all get ready for a great match

 

[Luffy]

No doubt he has got that instinct as well as receipts to back it up don't get me wrong JJ is that guy I 100% agree, well I did that is until this whole ordeal because taking into account that this is one of the if not the greatest "OG generation fighter" still active who mopped out the LW division best of the best as well as 2 who were p4p fighters at the time yet never displayed the behaviour he has with this call out situation. He should have no hesitation from the second he was called out like any champion/great fighter not bitch and moan about it, just get in there defend the title back your credentials DONE but not this time so yeah. Anyway if he accepted let's all get ready for a great match

Watch Khabib's coach interview talking about the JJ vs Tom match. He said JJ accepted the fight — and that's why they aren't taking the belt from him, because they know this is all part of the play so the match is building and delivered with an ideal new platform. If JJ really refused, ofc he'd be stripped... Just like Dana said that once JJ said "I'll fight Nagnnou, show me the money" , Dana answered with a "huh, if I were JJ, after seeing what Ngannou just did to Miocic, I'd drop to 185 hehehe"" — ppl laughing in the back. Dana didn't know how good JJ truly was. He kept consistency even in face of matches the public wasn't interested as they took his win for granted, like vs Santos, Reyes. And they were very dangerous back then... But fighting dangerous guys with no one recognizing they were this dangerous (Reyes' record was better than Tom's, as he was undefeated, Reyes also finished most of his matches in round 1 and his hand speed is slightly higher than Tom's) surely made JJ lack a little of that huge anxiety.

Khabib even commented that he think JJ won the last two fights fair, but that they were closer because he was fighting very good guys but hai matches had no stakes from the audience... He was seen as the winner by a landslide, which, to Khabib, makes it hard for JJ to keep the same motivation.

Jon Jones had said when he went to Saudi Arabia last year when people asked who was the goat, he said "I've never lost a fight, and I predict I will beat Stipe, I predict that I'll beat Tom Aspinall and Francis Ngannou"...

So he is in there with the anxiety he has before hugely challenging matches, but not with a resignation tune. He noticed in a podcast that after he beat Gane, people were already speaking how Gane sucked, and that he chose a weak opponent when Ngannou left, with JJ being annoyed as, per himself (and true) he signed the deal to fight Francis... Francis left. But when Dana saw the way he quickly beat Gane, who went the full distance with JJ, it was visible he was stunned.

Then vs Miocic... Miocic wasn't just an old men like ppl say. In low views interviews (purposely hidden by YouTube), Stipe said he feels better than in his last 3 fight — as, per himself, allowing his body time to recover and focusing it all to fight someone he always wanted to fight, brought way more out of him in the camp and in the proper body condition than before when he admittedly felt phases of being unmotivating ... He'd play a forgetful old man in the media like pretending his wife would help him wear his clothes, to put the pressure on JJ, who now isn't fighting Stipe's but "a geriatric old man" as fans put out. But experts analysts viewed Stipe as very sharp and not bothered by father time — his first punches before the takedown had similar timing and speed to his output vs Ngannou first fight... And he dodged with head movement JJ's jabs who were calculated to be as quick as his jabs from the Gus 2 fight... And that in round 2 after the pummeling he got in round 1, showing his condition was huge. Jon Jones dominated Miocic, one of the then best HWs (better than Gane, who didn't last a round)... And that puts JJ able to potentially beat anyone.


Aspinall is a big challenge because he's young, very fast, and powerful, and has a solid takedown defense and ground game. He's like a Ngannou improved version. The fact the odds from Bodog (which are more accurate as they don't take fans money unlike drafting, which is slightly less accurate due to fans influencing it) shows JJ and Tom are basically 50/50...

Tom also has a pattern in which he lunges into his punches. He mostly strikes in straight lines without the specific movement Reyes did that caught JJ off, like that v type movement. That's easier for JJ to anticipate with his reach and accurate jab and set up counterattacks based on Tom very heavy used striking pattern — jab-jab-cross-hook — ... He hides the posture of his body with his hand speed, but for fighters whose timing mat be fading a little, noticing his body movements, like overextending shoulders, and going too forwards, leaning up and leaving himself open for counters, as his chin isn't so well protected, make timing counters like circling outside and elbow very viable for JJ. And his clinch game to wear Tom down. Tom was showing signs of fatigue when he was in round 2 vs Arlovski, so testing his cardio and weathering the storm is very feasible. Since JJ has a stone chi — never wobbled, even when Miocic was fresh and landed clean, JJ was never showing hurt sings... Makes it possible to absorb punches too.

I don't think it's gonna be easy, but I think, like Khabib's coach said — if JJ accepted it's because he thinks he can win. So my money would be on him. But it's not easy. It'd be a very tough and slight advantage... Considering his championship grit and overall obsession to winning, he likely gets a last round finish or a very close but well earned decision imo. Khabib's father said JJ is #1 ... And that he would wipe out the HWs from them except for two, who he was uncertain (likely Miocic and Ngannou as they were about to have their first fight)... JJ beat Miocic dominantly and that Ngannou, whom was dominated by Miocic, would also likely be dominated by JJ all the same... Now he's 50/50 vs a HW who's further above what Khabib's father expected of HWs back then, and to still be slightly ahead... JJ has just an abnormal talent that could be 100mif disciplined but even still, he's the closest to the perfect fighter as possible — said by Tom. Tom said JJ is the strongest unarmed men who one could ever fight against.

 

[Kreative1]

Well he didn't wanna fight Tom and risk his legacy so now this actually will go down as a fantasy fight FML.... What an actual scumbag it shouldn't have been strung out this long holding up an entire division fucking up livelihoods that rely upon fighters getting matches all in thr end just retire, FUCK JONES AND HIS LEGACY.