Jon Jones vs Reyes — biggest misconception

The three of them combined have scored over 1000 UFC fights going back to November 2001.

How can Chris Lee be so fucking terrible at judging fights then? The other 2 I'd need to look into their records but Lee has been brutal, repeatedly.

And scoring a lot of fights doesn't necessarily mean they understand the sport all that well. They show up, mark shit down, move on. No repercussions to them when they turn in an egregious scorecard. At least in Australia they yanked that idiot judge from the rest of the card when he turned in an awful one early in the night. The AC's here don't give a shit. Just shrug and move on.
 
Reyes was on Usman's podcast 2 days ago and he said "That fight against JJ is still... I know I won the first 3 round... He landed 2 punches on me in those first 3 rounds. Only 2 punches is what he did. I shut him down completely. And in the last rounds, he got takedown and I was up in one second, so... I dominated that fight. And we will be together trapped in the same zone forever. We will be forever close in the same space. JJ is a genius fighter, he wants you to play his game. So I studied him to obsession to know his patterns. And one thing JJ isn't very good with is space. He has a very long reach but he can't use it that well. I mean, he has the longest reach, but how many KO does he have? What is his striking accuracy? He isn't that good in range management. And I proved that. Many people glaze him but he could be a much better fighter. I know how to use range better, I am smarter"


I mean.... Reyes has nightmares about the fact he lost lmao ... The first 30 minutes he only spoke about JJ. He talked about JJ retiring, saying it was annoying that JJ wouldn't tell ppl what was up. And he said only about JJ for 30 minutes.... Reyes is still competing, right? Because every podcast he is in, he speaks about JJ, how JJ isn't that good, etc... He said "JJ went to HW, because he didn't want to rematch me. Guys there at HW, even the ones there now, they are easier for JJ than I was back then, than LHWs are. HWs are more less tested, they go for that one shot but that doesn't work vs guys who are big and elite. That's why he went to HW" ... He may be right that HW is easier, I agree... But Reyes is obsessed lol. JJ wasn't scared to rematch him, he only said he'd like more money. He was getting paid shitty for the champion that he was, so he won once vs Reyes. Ok want JJ to win again? Pay him more as he has given his brain life for the UFC a lot already... Easy... JJ would beat him again, but this time it'd be like Jiri did...
Whether you think Jon or Reyes won, saying it’s clear for either man just isn’t true.
 
One of the most universally agreed fights where the vast majority thought Reyes won and you claim "it's as clear as it gets, Jones won". Even if you don't think Reyes won, it was still debatable so to call it a clear outcome is not serious.
This is a deeply unserious thread
 
What's funny is that you're accusing the ENTIRE MEDIA of having a bias against Jon for some fucking idiotic reason that you're pulling out of your head when you are the clearly obsessed fangirl. You're completely obsessed with Jon Jones, write love letters each and every day about him on Sherdog, and then defend his honor to the death to each and every response. If Jon Jones walked into the room, you'd be all over his dick faster than a Republican at a Trump rally.

Also, the theory that everyone wanted Jones, a PPV draw, to lose to a complete nobody like Reyes.... is literally retarded. You're seriously dumber than shit and everbody around you is dumber for just having met you. You might actually be the dumbest fucking retard on Sherdog. You are not 6'5 260lbs of pure muscle with a 23 inch dong (around) and a 180 IQ like us real Sherdoggers at all. Now go put on your American Eagles and practice your downward dog poses for in case you ever get to meet your hero.

gayass fangirl
Lol 😂 🤣 the amount of hatred is amazing. Hey, take a chill pill and come back when you aren't crying of anger. Relax. You aren't Reyes, are you? Because the way we write, it sounds way more like you were one of the fighters who lost to him than whatever your rant tries to hide a sorrow feeling from never seeing JJ lose.
 
@Luffy taking people to school here, Jones won. It was closer than most of his fights but he still won.
This. The typical users arguments are "fan girl", "JJ fan obsessed"... I've laid out my points quite clear enough that should put the narrative of "this win was controversial" to rest. Controversial would be if Paulo Costa had defeated Sean Strickland. Or if Sean Strickland won vs DDP 2 by SD... Or if Thiago Santos had won a SD vs Ankalaev. Heck, Jan Blackowski vs Ankalaev being a draw is controversial too. To be controversial is to say the win is questionable to the point that people don't even consider that a legit win, that is, that "did he win?" ... If you can ask a did he really win, then that's controversial. It wasn't, it was a close fight, rounds 2 and 3 Reyes had more volume, that is, landed more strikes, but Jones kept his composure and his strikes visibly affected Reyes more.

It's the same as Pereira vs Ankalaev round 3. Alex Pereira was ahead in the strikes by 21-15... Basically, same number of additional strikes. But Ankalaev won because his strikes had visibly more impact, even if slightly. Like JJ here. Did Reyes land good strikes, like that flush clear uppercut? Yes. But how did JJ react? JJ barely took a step back, he kept his composure, didn't retreat, his legs didn't give up, he wasn't rocked. Meanwhile, JJ's jabs and hooks threw Reyes out of balance, made him circle outside... When JJ kicked his body, Reyes touched the fence and gave wooof grimace. Those are what impactful strikes mean, how each fighter reacts, not how clean they land. Reyes was slowing down, the oblique kicks was sapping his energy mid round 3, he was moving backwards precisely because Jon Jones strikes were taking a bigger toll. So much so that in round 4, Reyes was already on shaky legs. He was on survival mode in those lad 20 seconds with his legs wobbling. All that is effect of cumulative damage, meaning he wasn't taking JJ's strikes as well, JJ took Reyes' strikes but his toughness covered any good optics, unlike Reyes.

Again, number of significant strikes = volume. Volume alone doesn't win fights. Impact > volume, always. Round 3 was close enough in volume that the impact was clear to argue for JJ's round. Same as round 2. Reyes had more volume, but effective strikes aren't jabs while retreating, those are counted as significant in the stats but they don't reflect visuals under effectiveness since there was no visible impact... Impact > volume, rule #1. Within that, rounds 2 and 3 were swing rounds. Rounds 4 and 5 were clear for JJ both in volume and on impact. Round 1 was clear for Reyes.

When we have 2 rounds that are swing ones (again, don't show # of strikes landed, observe how the opponent reacted), 2 clear ones for Jones and 1 clear for Reyes... The standard rule is to split the close rounds to each fighter, as they are in the realm of "close, depends on how one sees it". Giving both to one fighter is not so reasonable... can happen specially when judging live, which is what one judge did... But the standard rule is to award each one for each fighter as they are arguable. In which case, we still get the score 2 judges agreed on and that is the most reasonable, official, non-controversial and fair and square

Jon Jones 48 - 47 Reyes

.... That's it. It was close. Ppl should say "Reyes got close, he and Gus were the one's that got the closest to beating JJ that we know of, but Jon Jones thrives in pressure and remained one step ahead". That's it. Not a "JJ didn't win that" —> this makes it a controversial thing when it was never controversial. It was close, but not to the point the wrong person won... The right call was always 48-47, fans expecting that to be one sided and being surprised, the media dog piling (which is real... I mean, how many times do they fuel this in comparison to other close fights? Just the fact we have many robberies for this fight alone is proof of a biased induced behaviour) and fans buying all that because they love to imagine a loss that never happened just so they can be more at peace fuels it. I'm just bringing facts that besides it being official, it was also not even controversial to the point people misremember it through highlights.
 
So I watched it and my score is 48-46 Reyes.
1 Reyes
2 Reyes
3 Reyes by 2 points for Jon throwing a deliberate big knee to the tigh after he hears the buzzer and Reyes stops fighting. Psychopathic. Cheating to get away with it. Smart breaking the rules.
4 Jon
5 Jon

I could only score this for Jon if I give him round 1. The knockedown was off balance and the punch flurry probably didn't land.

Overal Jon was actually stronger but it's round point based and I give Reyes 1-3. Dom moved too much and got tired. Jon just stalked. If there were 10 rounds I think Jon wins. But even rounds 4 & 5 Dom landed hard shots. Dom just was tired.

Dom is my score. Jon didn't sound convinced at his victory speech.


Visually Reyes was tired but he landed more.
Well, I respect that, the fact you re-watched the fight and gave an opinion having re-watched it fully. That I like. What makes you think rounds 2 and 3 were Reyes clear though? Do you agree they were close? I always look at R2 and R3 as swing rounds. R1 as clear Reyes'. R4 and R5 as clear Jones'. So with that, I give it 3-2 JJ, awarding each fighter a swing round. Much like Alex vs Ank.



Anyways, I'd like that more ppl re-watched it so we could have a discussion, not a hatred rant like that Epstein dude who threw a fit
 
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I don't know how there are so many people now who think Jon won when it was clear as day then that Reyes won before Jon was getting unending hate.
Jiri Prochazka when about to face Reyes said "JJ won the fight clearly and I will defeat Reyes too" ...because the reporter framed that as "you're facing someone who many think beat JJ, and Jiri just corrected that as no, JJ won clearly and I'll beat him as well.
 
Huh? I've watched every Jones fight since he entered the UFC. I've followed the sport longer, trained, fought, coached, cornered. I know this sport FAR better than you my guy. Why would you use my name of all people LMAO? (And no, don't reply with a thousand words to try to explain why you think you know better. Ya don't). 😃
You missed the context. It was an example of me pointing out the culture of hatred that is stronger than any bias you perceived from me, which would be clear if you had read the message.

You understand aspects of coaching and fighting better. However, when it comes to the topics that I am a part of constantly, no. I think I have a far bigger understanding overall than you. When it comes to predicting hypothetical fights as well that I am interested in and then I study them, yes, I also think I know more than you.
 
Jiri Prochazka when about to face Reyes said "JJ won the fight clearly and I will defeat Reyes too" ...because the reporter framed that as "you're facing someone who many think beat JJ, and Jiri just corrected that as no, JJ won clearly and I'll beat him as well.
Jiri thinks Jon won, I dont... Most other fighters were tweating at the time how they thought Reyes won so now who do we believe?
 
Jiri thinks Jon won, I dont... Most other fighters were tweating at the time how they thought Reyes won so now who do we believe?
I believe the guy in your avatar. He didn't think it was clear as day Reyes won, he said it was the opposite.
 
I believe the guy in your avatar. He didn't think it was clear as day Reyes won, he said it was the opposite.
Well I guess I have to disagree with the guy in my AV because I think Reyes won 1,2,3 clearly.
 
Well I guess I have to disagree with the guy in my AV because I think Reyes won 1,2,3 clearly.
Well I guess we have to disagree because officially Jon Jones won 48-47. So what "we" think is not what actually happened. Which is, Jon Jones won rounds 3, 4 and 5.

Either way, JJ won 3 rounds. We may think imaginary things, but it's wrong.
 
Well I guess we have to disagree because officially Jon Jones won 48-47. So what "we" think is not what actually happened. Which is, Jon Jones won rounds 3, 4 and 5.

Either way, JJ won 3 rounds. We may think imaginary things, but it's wrong.
Its all in the past now but that doesnt change the fact judges have consistently awarded the win to the fighter most feel was undeserving.
 
Its all in the past now but that doesnt change the fact judges have consistently awarded the win to the fighter most feel was undeserving.
Which wasn't the case here. I don't know which instances you're thinking, but Jon Jones won and he deserved it.
 
Wasnt the fan score like 85% to Reyes? I think this was the case
Idk, fans don't matter, they hold no authority when they haven't even explained why they scored it that way. Again, Jon Jones won. And it was fair and square. There's no controversy or "fans voting " when those fans didn't give any analysis, didn't explain their thought process, nothing. It means 0.
 
Wasnt the fan score like 85% to Reyes? I think this was the case
But I'd be interested in your thoughts if you watch the fight I posted above. Watch it with no narration (because it can influence how we see it) and give me your opinion justifying what you think.I'd appreciate that and appreciate whatever score you have if you explain why you got to that. I just want to debate with people that give me their inputs rather than feeding members throwing fits (not you tho ofc) and making comments that are useless and only meant for likes.I appreciate the way you approached it from the start though, I am all in for a nice exchange of ideas.
 
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Lol 😂 🤣 the amount of hatred is amazing. Hey, take a chill pill and come back when you aren't crying of anger. Relax. You aren't Reyes, are you? Because the way we write, it sounds way more like you were one of the fighters who lost to him than whatever your rant tries to hide a sorrow feeling from never seeing JJ lose.

I don't hate you at all. I just think you're abnormally retarded and have an obsessive homosexual crush on Jon Jones.
 
I don't hate you at all. I just think you're abnormally retarded and have an obsessive homosexual crush on Jon Jones.
Refrain from posting here. This is a forum, not a trash discord channel made for memes. Let's act like adults a little.
 
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