Jon Jones' UFC career officially over?

[DanAndroid]

bookmarking this thread for when jon wins the hw belt like everyone knows he will.

 

[DS66]

If Gane takes apart Frank--and I believe he will--Jones' UFC career will be officially over imo. Before you start saying 'I knew he wasn't coming back anyway', yeah, I know, I was probably saying that before you, but there was still that 0.5% chance that he might surprise everyone and make good on his word to fight Francis for the belt. At least with Ngannou, he has a narrow path to victory--run around the cage for a few rounds and hope Francis gasses enough to use some grappling without too much risk. But with Cyril, he has no chance of victory. None. Zero. Gane is proven at heavyweight and matches Jones strength for strength and does it all much better. Even if Jones tried some Hail Mary take downs, he would almost certainly get shrugged off and lit up. There's no way Jon wins that fight, he knows it and it will be the nail in the coffin for his HW "dreams". I predict that shortly after Gane's victory, if that is what happens, he will announce his retirement. After all, he never said he would fight Gane, just Ngannou, so with Francis out of the title picture, it would be a great time to slip out the back door with a least some of his pride still intact.

I agree with you that Gane would be the favorite if him and Jones fought, and that he's a tougher matchup for Jones than Francis would be. But to say that Jon Jones has "no chance of victory. none. zero" against anyone is a bit ridiculous, considering he has never lost an MMA fight and has been in there with a who's who of legends of the sport. He of course has a chance against any human on the planet. Not to mention Gane is still a bit unproven at this point. We've never seen what happens when a high level wrestler tries to grapple Gane, and we've never seen what happens when he gets dragged into deep waters in a 5 round championship fight. We've certainly never seen what happens when he fights one of the greatest MMA fighters in history.

As I said, I'd still ultimately pick Gane to win, but you're just being delusional if you say Jones doesn't have any chance in an MMA fight against another human.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

He's had the option to fight this entire time. He hasn't, what's changed since then?

His suspension will end.

 

[HHJ]

Gane will destroy bones lol

He don't want it either way.

 

[Schaub]

Gane will destroy bones lol

He don't want it either way.

I don't like Jon but that's crazy talk. Gane's best win is Derek Lewis, Jon has at least 10 wins over better opponents.

 

[icemun]

If Gane takes apart Frank--and I believe he will--Jones' UFC career will be officially over imo. Before you start saying 'I knew he wasn't coming back anyway', yeah, I know, I was probably saying that before you, but there was still that 0.5% chance that he might surprise everyone and make good on his word to fight Francis for the belt. At least with Ngannou, he has a narrow path to victory--run around the cage for a few rounds and hope Francis gasses enough to use some grappling without too much risk. But with Cyril, he has no chance of victory. None. Zero. Gane is proven at heavyweight and matches Jones strength for strength and does it all much better. Even if Jones tried some Hail Mary take downs, he would almost certainly get shrugged off and lit up. There's no way Jon wins that fight, he knows it and it will be the nail in the coffin for his HW "dreams". I predict that shortly after Gane's victory, if that is what happens, he will announce his retirement. After all, he never said he would fight Gane, just Ngannou, so with Francis out of the title picture, it would be a great time to slip out the back door with a least some of his pride still intact.

You need to look up the definition of "officially"

 

[icemun]

hard to say... the guy still trains and lifts heavy.

maybe he's just waiting for his GSP moment when some dunce gets the strap and he can jump in ? maybe he thinks stipe can get the belt back?

Lol.
You calling Bisping, a dunce?

 

[Captain Herb]

surprise he may.
Matter of fact, I don't think ANYONE can claim one way or another, since no one saw him fight at HW.
But to claim he has no chance? That's just stupid.
You are talking about a fighter that is in 90% of anyone's GOAT Lists for a reason.

He'd be on my GOAT list for sure if he won a few fights at HW--any fights in the top 5, really. But he hasn't done it and it doesn't look like he will

 

[Captain Herb]

You need to look up the definition of "officially"

You need to read the OP

 

[HHJ]

I don't like Jon but that's crazy talk. Gane's best win is Derek Lewis, Jon has at least 10 wins over better opponents.

That don't change a thing.

 

[Dionysian]

It was over 2 full years ago. He's just posted pics of his weight gain while retired and people have been jerking off to a delusion of a move to HW ... from the guy that said he'd move to HW 9 years ago. It is ridiculous how long this shit is still going and people are still buying it

 

[ExxA]

Honestly always believed Gane to be a harder match up for Jones. Gane is like how Jones was back when he was more "fresh" and less sluggish/old like he is now.
Almost like a mirror match. But what do i know.

His career was over the moment when he retired from LHW. It was alright when he was fighting guys who were too small and past it, but once he actually started fighting better guys around his own size, things got too close. He isn't going to come back to that.

And he never is coming up to HW. He never even planned to. The whole thing was just him speaking shit and pretending he wanted to while trying to spin the media his way. That didn't work.

He's retired from fighting.

I think Jones got busted for something again and thats why he's not fought in such a long time. The whole "moving up to HW" was just a smoke cover for it all. My thoughs on him fighting again is very slim if at all.

 

[HitWithAFlare]

I think Jon would of beat Francis, had he not had this huge lay-off.

His chances of winning are diminishing by the day.

 

[Captain Herb]

I agree with you that Gane would be the favorite if him and Jones fought, and that he's a tougher matchup for Jones than Francis would be. But to say that Jon Jones has "no chance of victory. none. zero" against anyone is a bit ridiculous, considering he has never lost an MMA fight and has been in there with a who's who of legends of the sport. He of course has a chance against any human on the planet. Not to mention Gane is still a bit unproven at this point. We've never seen what happens when a high level wrestler tries to grapple Gane, and we've never seen what happens when he gets dragged into deep waters in a 5 round championship fight. We've certainly never seen what happens when he fights one of the greatest MMA fighters in history.

As I said, I'd still ultimately pick Gane to win, but you're just being delusional if you say Jones doesn't have any chance in an MMA fight against another human.

There are many counterpoints I could make but I think the most basic one is that while Jon has yet to fight a single fight at HW, both Gane and Francis are fighting at, not only the highest levels of that division, but at or near the highest levels of that division ever. We are seeing a rapid progression at the top of HW where really big guys with a lot of skill and power and athleticism can come in and move like the lighter divisions. And Jon is trying to break into that, having never even fought anyone at HW, and having his greatest strengths negated by the larger division. It's not a recipe for success.

 

[Mentallooser]

Nah. He will assume that he can outwrestle them both.

 

[Shaddows]

He'd be on my GOAT list for sure if he won a few fights at HW--any fights in the top 5, really. But he hasn't done it and it doesn't look like he will

he did beat DC, who was the HW champ for a while...
So you can't claim he never beat top HW's.... (where's the other poster who wanted to use MMAth??? maybe that opens his eyes!)

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

If Gane takes apart Frank--and I believe he will--Jones' UFC career will be officially over imo. Before you start saying 'I knew he wasn't coming back anyway', yeah, I know, I was probably saying that before you, but there was still that 0.5% chance that he might surprise everyone and make good on his word to fight Francis for the belt. At least with Ngannou, he has a narrow path to victory--run around the cage for a few rounds and hope Francis gasses enough to use some grappling without too much risk. But with Cyril, he has no chance of victory. None. Zero. Gane is proven at heavyweight and matches Jones strength for strength and does it all much better. Even if Jones tried some Hail Mary take downs, he would almost certainly get shrugged off and lit up. There's no way Jon wins that fight, he knows it and it will be the nail in the coffin for his HW "dreams". I predict that shortly after Gane's victory, if that is what happens, he will announce his retirement. After all, he never said he would fight Gane, just Ngannou, so with Francis out of the title picture, it would be a great time to slip out the back door with a least some of his pride still intact.

I think Jones genuinely wants the big money fight. I think he knows it’s a big risk and he might be finished as an ultra-elite fighter so he wants to get paid if he’s gonna risk his 0. Personally I think he’s been pretty transparent.

 

[Captain Herb]

he did beat DC, who was the HW champ for a while...
So you can't claim he never beat top HW's.... (where's the other poster who wanted to use MMAth??? maybe that opens his eyes!)

Lol, that's not me. DC was a LHW. He gave up all his advantages to fight Jon at his own weight and went 0-1-1. Even Jones said he didn't want to fight DC at HW because it was a whole different ballgame

 

[TempleoftheDog]

One thing I’ve noticed about Jones huggers. They sound exactly like Conor huggers. They are caught in a time warp from several years ago. Even though they’ve seen him look less than great for a number of fights. They cling to this image they’ve created in their minds.

They talk about his wrestling. Yet give me any good example of that at all in his last few fights. But they think he’s actually going to do this to HW?? That’s not realistic. He’s now been out for 2 whole years. And he’s going to steamroll Ngannou, Gane, or even Stipe? I just don’t see it.

 

[Captain Herb]

I think Jones genuinely wants the big money fight. I think he knows it’s a big risk and he might be finished as an ultra-elite fighter so he wants to get paid if he’s gonna risk his 0. Personally I think he’s been pretty transparent.

I tend to agree that he does have a price for his 0, but it's nothing the UFC would ever pay and he knows it. So in that sense, is he being transparent or is just a ruse, like many people think?