Jon Jones is not the GOAT. Here's why

So you edit your post from “I’ve never seen that video” to a Joe Rogan clip.

Because I knew sarcasm wasnt going to get through to you.

I was on the forums when these videos dropped. I was in the fire of these discussions. I've read every goofy interpretation of this series of events, several times.

I'm already bored.

GSP knew the rules. Diaz didn't. - Conclusion: Shady evil french canadians.
 
And people are quick to forget Jones left the arena on a stretcher after his fight with Gustaffson in 2014, with his face disfigured.

Yet Khabib, for example, has never even been bruised in his entire career.
Jones is a scumbag and a deplorable human being. That being said, Gus was his 5th title defense, something Khabib didn't do.
 
Because I knew sarcasm wasnt going to get through to you.

I was on the forums when these videos dropped. I was in the fire of these discussions. I've read every goofy interpretation of this series of events, several times.

I'm already bored.

GSP knew the rules. Diaz didn't. - Conclusion: Shady evil french canadians.
“Last minute undocumented rules” championship weight is championship with anywhere else.


As much as I’ve shit on Nick and Nate this was highly sus.
 
“Last minute undocumented rules” championship weight is championship with anywhere else.


As much as I’ve shit on Nick and Nate this was highly sus.

As much as I've shit on the French, they're weird.
 
As much as I've shit on the French, they're weird.
I’m a huge GSP fan. My initial post was a to show a varied angle of how haters would target specifics.

That being said I got to say…….. the email correspondence over the outside testing from GSP’s team was sketchy.

Them changing the rules last minute to round up and more importantly allowing the extra hour which was illegal period was sus.

This does not mean GSP was over weight or couldn’t make weight. It just looks bush league and suspicious (especially the extra hour “off the record” ) which is definitely illegal and manipulating the rules.
 
I’m a huge GSP fan. My initial post was a to show a varied angle of how haters would target specifics.

That being said I got to say…….. the email correspondence over the outside testing from GSP’s team was sketchy.

Them changing the rules last minute to round up and more importantly allowing the extra hour which was illegal period was sus.

This does not mean GSP was over weight or couldn’t make weight. It just looks bush league and suspicious (especially the extra hour “off the record” ).

Please, stop.

I dont care. I understand your position, and I don't want you to change it. Keep it.
 
It's hard for me to call him the goat because there always seems to be some fishy circumstances with his wins.

Like his win over DC was impressive but needs an asterisk because Jones was on roids.

His wins over rampage and Glover needs asterisks because he was very blatantly poking the eyes or threatening pokes the entire fight.

I'll have to rewatch his fights against shogun and machida. I can't recall if he poked them or not
 
if you dont care about roids then Jones could definitely be the GOAT.

if you do care about roids, then i think its GSP without a doubt.

This is pretty much it. Why do people make it so bloody complicated?
 
Stupid fucking argument.
Serra never defeated his belt or had multiple ranked wins and he got his title shot by winning a reality show. You can't debate my points without trying to change what my argument it is. You suck at debating. Fuck you and your straw man arguments!
 
DJ getting shortchanged on respect - 2-0 vs Cejudo (2nd was a robbery) and Cejudo was an Olympic gold medalist with better technique than anyone Jones faced, and I think better than anyone GSP faced too. Horiguchi, Dodson, Benavidez all super talented too

DJ's Wiz Bar and flying knee KO on Adriano Moraes also reign supreme as far as greatest moves pulled off by the GOAT contenders
 
This is pretty much it. Why do people make it so bloody complicated?
ive unironically seen people argue that PEDs make no difference in performance and that fighters who fight other fighters on PEDs shouldnt use that as an excuse because if theyre really that good the PEDs wont matter. real smoothbrain stuff.
 
Did spending a half hour ruminating about Jon today make your day better or worse?
 
TLDR: If you don't want to read all this, please scroll down to the end for the TLDR.

First of all don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is not in the debate for GOAT, I'm saying he is not the undisputed GOAT like the UFC are making him out to be. Let's be honest, Jones kind of got lucky that even though he beat a lot of great fighters in his division, a lot of these fighters were past their best. Very fortunate. Before he faced them, Rashad had been knocked out by Machida. Machida had been knocked out by Shogun. Shogun was a shell of his former self in Pride. Rampage was past his best. Belfort was past his best. He did have impressive victories no doubt. But this is were my disdain comes in. He lost his last two fights at light heavyweght to Santos and Reyes. I don't care what anyone says he lost those fights. He knew it which is why he dropped the belt soon after. He knew his time was coming. He was scared. What true great runs away from competition? Then we heard nothing from him and as soon as Ngannou left the UFC and Stipe got old, here comes the scaredy cat again knowing the HW is a weak division he can conquer. Beat a nobody to get the belt. And isn't it not surprising that he absolutely refuses to fight Tom Aspinall? He wants no parts of him because he knows he is a threat. I'm sorry I can't call a scaredy cat like Jones the GOAT.

Also, why is it that Dana and the UFC have forgotten about other GOATs like Anderson Silva and Fedor. I'll tell you why. It's because they fought on too long after they got old. Had they retired while at the top, they would be in these GOAT conversions, but all people remember are their losses when they got washed up. But I tell you one thing, Fedor and Anderson never backed down from a threat, they faced all challengers, these is what a true GOAT is made of. Not those scaredy cats Jones or GSP. GSP is another that got the hell out when the fights got tougher. Came back when Bisping won the title because he thought it would be an easy fight, then retired right away because he knew what was waiting for him if he stayed. Also I think Anderson losing to Jake Paul really hurt his legacy, people are forgetting all the great things he did and acheived.

Jones reminds me of Michael Jordan. It's been programmed to our minds that MJ is GOAT, and we don't even question it, we just accept it because he was before most of our time. Have you ever stopped to think, are you thinking for yourself, or are you letting others decide for you? Well let me tell you, Jordan is not the GOAT, or better put, he's not my GOAT. Yes he was great, out of this world, but the thing is, in the 80s before MJ could even come near a championship, we had these 3 teams, The Celtics, the Pistons, and the Lakers. These teams were winning championships for fun, and Jordan was no where to be seen. They all had greats, the Celtics had Parish, Larry Bird and Mchale, the Pistons had Isiah, Rodman and Dumars, and finally the Lakers had Magic Johnson, Karem Abdul Jabbar, and Worthy. All these players were winning championships in the era they competed, Jordan couldn't get near a championship playing against these guys. Remember the name of the players I listed and their teams, because now I'm going to provide their statistics. In 84-85 Lakers won over Celtics. In 85-86 Celtics won over the Rockets who had Hakem. In 86-87 Lakers won again over celtics, In 87-88 Lakers won over Pistons, In 88-89 Pistons finally won over Lakers, but Karem retired. in 89-90 Pistons won over Blazers, who had Drexler. If Jordan is GOAT, why couldn't he stop these awesome players and win? The next year 90=91 Jordan and the Chicago Bulls finally won, beating the Lakers, but as I said Karem had retired, and magic Johnson was diagnosed with HIV/aids later that same year. Also Larry bird had retired, although he would come out of retirement for the 1992 Olympic games. All these players I listed had either retired or gotten old. The Bulls beat tbe Pistons in the semis that year, but Isiah was old and retired. All MJ's championships came when all these dominant players had retired. I'm sorry MJ is not the GOAT, people have been brainwashed and accept things without asking questions. The same thing the UFC are trying to do with Jon Jones. Please don't get me wrong, Jordon was elite and up there with the very best, but all those championship rings came in an era were he had no real elites to compete against. They're great players, but not like the ones I listed.

TLDR:
In short all four of these guys are in GOAT contention, GSP, Jones, Silve, Fedor. My beef is why the UFC have excluded people like Silva and Fedor from the conversation, simply because they didnt know when it was best to retire from the sport.

Also sorry for ever comparing Jones to MJ, they are not in the same league. I just needed to make a point.

Have a nice day.
Shogun was plagued with injuries and didn't couldn't survive in the top 5 in the UFC rampage was in his prime in the UFC.. vitor Belfort was in his prime in the UFC their wins age and records careers don't agree with you Rashad losing to prime machida is not anything to take away from prime Rashad .. Rashad shoulda wrestled better...

And Jon also kod machida ....

If there was no Jon rampage prolly woulda had that belt and Silva prolly would a Ben a lhw champion at some point..

Jon literally faught guys that were top 5 for 2 decades years... And never lost.. what other UFC champion has done that.. he has the most title defences is why Anderson is not in the picture .

And he has the longest title defence streak his streak in title defences is more than most guys in the roster have fights in their UFC careers or all together.

He's still here and with a he belt.. come on now the logic to say somone isnt great because if their wins is one thing.

But his wins are vs the best lhw in his division and that all he's ever faced.

Were top 5 weather it was fuckin joe Steven segal or someone you just have a shit uneducated opinion on to say well they suck and this guys division is harder thise guys dont suck... Piss off he tko and beat dc 2 times in a row.. didn't dc beat Anderson Silva by youre logic what does that mean.

I guess Gilbert burns smokes Robert wittaker in you're logic since kham smoked him
 
I thought the loss to a guy with no legs and the loss to the guy with no chin bumped him down a LOT

And if you think it’s just a bias thing I would never argue that Gustafsson beat him, a true jones hater would definitely try to say that
 
It really goes to show how dominant Jones is when the best people can say against him is, "One time, ten years ago, he was actually in a competitive fight."
Well he actually lost 4 years ago but Jon clearly gets preferential treatment.

GSP did all he did, while the UFC was not on his side. GSP would have been even more of a GOAT if he had the UFC golden boy treatment.
 
Serra never defeated his belt or had multiple ranked wins and he got his title shot by winning a reality show. You can't debate my points without trying to change what my argument it is. You suck at debating. Fuck you and your straw man arguments!
Fluke wins happen, even in title fights. Deal. And saying that Bisping defended the belt is, beyond literally being true, just precious. There is no viable or even cogent argument that GSP beating Bisping is a more impressive middleweight win than Jones or Ngannou beating Gane are heavyweight wins.
 
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