Jon Jones is declining, the end is near

KOPPE said:
based on the tape I've watched, he's noticeably slower, less explosive, and powerful. His wrestling looks regressed. The man who thoroughly outwrestled DC couldn't take down a one-legged Santos once.
The Reyes fight showed a visible regression in chain wrestling and he gave up on attempts quickly, relative to before. As for striking - significantly less volume. The stats say it all, but watch the fights for yourself. He used to throw combinations, unpredictable strikes, he was good at keeping the opponent guessing. These days? You don't see a single combination in his last 3 fights. None of those tricky "look low, kick high" shenanigans.
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A couple years ago, while everyone was talking excitedly about how juiced he was and pointing at the picograms for proof, I presented my sherbros with two theories. The first one, which finally caught on, was that Jon was actually now CLEAN and that's why he looked like relative shit. The second, which i haven't seen repeated, is that because he's off the juice, his cardio has gone way down. He can't keep the pace that he used to, he's actually afraid that he will gas out in a 5 round fight. That's why he has slowed way down, thrown fewer strikes, and generally avoids wrestling anymore.

I had a third prediction at the time which was that he would lose or retire within 2 years. That also seems to be coming true.[/QUOTE]
 
jones NEVER would fight in hws, he's clever. He wants the fight vs the 185lbs champ izzy, and if they can't agree, the bones will fight the 205's champ next year, but Never a hw ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
 
Randy Fandy Fo Fanders said:
Fuckin haters.

and every single one of you will watch his next fight. Because he entertains you!

props to the GOAT.
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It's just because he's gotten lucky with the judges multiple times and failed multiple tests. I mean, how can you not dislike the guy?
 
Am I the only one that thought even though he looked like shit against Santos, it’s crazy to give Santos that decision?
 
Jibsta69 said:
Am I the only one that thought even though he looked like shit against Santos, it’s crazy to give Santos that decision?
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I don't think it's crazy to give Santos that decision, but I thought Jones won a close fight. The Reyes decision was lot more problematic than the Santos decision imo.

As far as Jones decline, He's 34, and he seems to be living that Chuck Liddell lifestyle that catches up to a fighter.
 
Real breaking news here. Original idea that’s never been said before.
 
Even an idiot could figure out what is going on with the Tale of Two Jons:

pre Usada he looks amazing all the time
> USADA rolls around and he flunks his first test vs DC, has little girl T levels (Victor Conte says this is proof Jones is cycling and will soon be busted if he does not stop)
> Gets obsessed with weight lifting and trying to make up for strength, even tho he was always way strong than his opponents with no USADA
> Looks like trash vs OSP but does test clean
> Scheduled to fight DC again but fails test for PED's, on the eve of the fight and fight scrapped
> Fights DC again, looks great, but fails for steroids this time.
> Fights Gus after their first war (Jon is shook now, knows he needs the juice), looks greats this time but Jones fails again. USADA says he is "pulsing" so no surprise.
> Still "pulsing" vs Smith, looks good, but does not look as good and could have been Dq'ed for cheating
> The pulsing picos are getting less vs the Santos, a MW flunkie, and Jones look terrible - most people thought Santos won after the fight
> Looks like a total shell vs Reyes but gets the victory. Upon reviewal of this fight with Big Jon for a judging course, it was unanimously scored for Reyes
> Jon goes back to 'bulking up" and has not fought since

It's not rocket science. Dude was always cheating and the roids and PED's made him look so invincible. He would rather get busted for PED's again than lose legitimately. When Jones could not afford PED's, this what happened:

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Take away the roids and he is a shell of himself.
 
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KOPPE said:
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Jon Jones has looked worse in each of his last 3 fights Coincidence? i think not

vs Smith: could have LOST VIA DQ
vs. Santos: SPLIT DECISION even with 2 blown out knees, Jones couldnt do sh*t
vs. Reyes: won by UD but OUT-STRUCK, knocked down, and horrible judging.

based on the tape I've watched, he's noticeably slower, less explosive, and powerful. His wrestling looks regressed. The man who thoroughly outwrestled DC couldn't take down a one-legged Santos once.
The Reyes fight showed a visible regression in chain wrestling and he gave up on attempts quickly, relative to before. As for striking - significantly less volume. The stats say it all, but watch the fights for yourself. He used to throw combinations, unpredictable strikes, he was good at keeping the opponent guessing. These days? You don't see a single combination in his last 3 fights. None of those tricky "look low, kick high" shenanigans.

Jones initially built his tainted legacy from an era where LHW's were shorter. 5'11-6'1. Smith is 6'4, Santos is a thick 6'4, Reyes is 6'5. Much of his game stems from distance and using his length to not get hit.
dont want to get into the juicy juice but he popped for Gus and Smith, two fights he dominated. He did not pop for Santos and Reyes. At a certain point, correlation becomes so certain it reasonably indicates causation.

he knows he is on borrowed time and a loss is inevitable if he keeps fighting.
guys like Prochazka would literally kill him, i just couldn't see him beating all three of Jan, Jiri and Rakic.
he was smart to move to HW - if he is going to lose, only losing to Francis(and collecting 30m lul) or Gane will keep his reputation intact.
we've already seen moving up and losing doesn't affect perceptions of you (see Adesanya v Jan) so there's nothing to lose, everything to gain going to HW and nothing to gain in staying at LHW.
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What a fresh take
 
Herwald said:
Jon rises to the level of his competition and he got progressively more bored by the challenges. The perception that he's declined stems from that.

I think this whole HW talk is just a distraction. Either he took time off to just fuck around from boredom or, well, last time he popped, he took time off to bodybuild and now he's taken time off to bodybuild, so I don't know. Some of the rumors out there ring kinda true to me.

And if having a reach advantage was so crucial at LHW, more lanklets would be at the top, but they're not. So I'm not feeling the quasi-attempt at discrediting the earlier day talent who Jon beat.
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The taller fighters are at the top, he fought them and had a much harder time compared to the shorter fighters. Most of the fighters at the top are taller than before.
 
IDGETKTFO said:
I am a Jones hater too, but i am suprised to see Conor Nuthuggers, that are Jones Haters. I personally hate them both.
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Same.
But I do have to concede Jon is great.
As for Conor, maybe we can allow that pre-Floyd, he looked as though he was a great fighter... but then money happened. Now he is the pitiful (but filthy rich) dumbass we all love to hate.
 
KOPPE said:
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Jon Jones has looked worse in each of his last 3 fights Coincidence? i think not

vs Smith: could have LOST VIA DQ
vs. Santos: SPLIT DECISION even with 2 blown out knees, Jones couldnt do sh*t
vs. Reyes: won by UD but OUT-STRUCK, knocked down, and horrible judging.

based on the tape I've watched, he's noticeably slower, less explosive, and powerful. His wrestling looks regressed. The man who thoroughly outwrestled DC couldn't take down a one-legged Santos once.
The Reyes fight showed a visible regression in chain wrestling and he gave up on attempts quickly, relative to before. As for striking - significantly less volume. The stats say it all, but watch the fights for yourself. He used to throw combinations, unpredictable strikes, he was good at keeping the opponent guessing. These days? You don't see a single combination in his last 3 fights. None of those tricky "look low, kick high" shenanigans.

Jones initially built his tainted legacy from an era where LHW's were shorter. 5'11-6'1. Smith is 6'4, Santos is a thick 6'4, Reyes is 6'5. Much of his game stems from distance and using his length to not get hit.
dont want to get into the juicy juice but he popped for Gus and Smith, two fights he dominated. He did not pop for Santos and Reyes. At a certain point, correlation becomes so certain it reasonably indicates causation.

he knows he is on borrowed time and a loss is inevitable if he keeps fighting.
guys like Prochazka would literally kill him, i just couldn't see him beating all three of Jan, Jiri and Rakic.
he was smart to move to HW - if he is going to lose, only losing to Francis(and collecting 30m lul) or Gane will keep his reputation intact.
we've already seen moving up and losing doesn't affect perceptions of you (see Adesanya v Jan) so there's nothing to lose, everything to gain going to HW and nothing to gain in staying at LHW.
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Stopped reading after first two lines ..... everyone knows this shit .... nothing new and not thread worthy
 
So, was the 2nd fight with Gustafson just the verdict that the 1st fight was a total fluke?

Jones, for some reason, always never took his opponents seriously. Probably why he struggled against Reyes and Santos.
 
Brady2Moss2007 said:
So, was the 2nd fight with Gustafson just the verdict that the 1st fight was a total fluke?

Jones, for some reason, always never took his opponents seriously. Probably why he struggled against Reyes and Santos.
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By that time, Gus was shot
 
Jones just hasn't fought in over a year. If he was out there winning again and again, as he was, people would just STFU already
 
KOPPE said:
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Jon Jones has looked worse in each of his last 3 fights Coincidence? i think not

vs Smith: could have LOST VIA DQ
vs. Santos: SPLIT DECISION even with 2 blown out knees, Jones couldnt do sh*t
vs. Reyes: won by UD but OUT-STRUCK, knocked down, and horrible judging.

based on the tape I've watched, he's noticeably slower, less explosive, and powerful. His wrestling looks regressed. The man who thoroughly outwrestled DC couldn't take down a one-legged Santos once.
The Reyes fight showed a visible regression in chain wrestling and he gave up on attempts quickly, relative to before. As for striking - significantly less volume. The stats say it all, but watch the fights for yourself. He used to throw combinations, unpredictable strikes, he was good at keeping the opponent guessing. These days? You don't see a single combination in his last 3 fights. None of those tricky "look low, kick high" shenanigans.

Jones initially built his tainted legacy from an era where LHW's were shorter. 5'11-6'1. Smith is 6'4, Santos is a thick 6'4, Reyes is 6'5. Much of his game stems from distance and using his length to not get hit.
dont want to get into the juicy juice but he popped for Gus and Smith, two fights he dominated. He did not pop for Santos and Reyes. At a certain point, correlation becomes so certain it reasonably indicates causation.

he knows he is on borrowed time and a loss is inevitable if he keeps fighting.
guys like Prochazka would literally kill him, i just couldn't see him beating all three of Jan, Jiri and Rakic.
he was smart to move to HW - if he is going to lose, only losing to Francis(and collecting 30m lul) or Gane will keep his reputation intact.
we've already seen moving up and losing doesn't affect perceptions of you (see Adesanya v Jan) so there's nothing to lose, everything to gain going to HW and nothing to gain in staying at LHW.
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that version of thiago Santos beat the current champ
wasn t a knock down agaist reyes and outstruk only if you go by stats that count every swing reyes did as a significant strike try harder goof
 
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