Jon Jones is declining, the end is near

He is like Vitor, great with juice, mediocre without it, also he lost his 3 latest fights.
 
Jones will always be the lhw goat but I would be completely surprised if he ever wins or even takes a fight at hw he's probably done unless a huge payday at lhw comes along
 
jones' wrestling seems to be deteriorating, his takedowns aren't the same, I'd still pick him to beat everyone at 205 right now.
 
Captain Herb said:
A couple years ago, while everyone was talking excitedly about how juiced he was and pointing at the picograms for proof, I presented my sherbros with two theories. The first one, which finally caught on, was that Jon was actually now CLEAN and that's why he looked like relative shit. The second, which i haven't seen repeated, is that because he's off the juice, his cardio has gone way down. He can't keep the pace that he used to, he's actually afraid that he will gas out in a 5 round fight. That's why he has slowed way down, thrown fewer strikes, and generally avoids wrestling anymore.

I had a third prediction at the time which was that he would lose or retire within 2 years. That also seems to be coming true.
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Most steroids have no baring on cardiovascular ability, and depending on the compound, they can actually compromise aerobic endurance (trenbolone is a good example of this, it will leave people wheezing after 10 minutes on the treadmill).

I suppose steroids can indirectly impact cardio, as it allows people to train with greater frequency and less downtime, but on aggregate, it will have minimal impact on aerobic endurance (EQ and Anadrol are two exceptions, as both spike red blood cell count). With that being said, there are compounds like Cardarine which are PPAR receptor agonists (different than anabolic steroids) - that shit is like cardio in a bottle and is arguably more effective than EPO.
 
He's absolutely on the decline. He's had 10 years at the absolute pinacle of the sport. At least 16 championship camps, like 75 rounds at the championship level. That is a lot of wear and tear. It's amazing that after all this time guys are getting a pat on the head for coming close to winning.

But a deeply diminished Jon is still better than the best version anyone else. If he keeps at it long enough eventually someone WILL beat him, not because they are a superior fighter overall, he'll just deteriorate down to their level and they'll be better that night.
 
It makes sense that people would try to predict the fall of the best to ever do it.

Best case for Jon, he beats Francis and goes on to win 10x at HW over the next 3-4 years. What's more likely is he fights 3-4 more times before he's 40.

So if he fights 3 more times you only need to make this thread 3x and you'll be right TS.
 
You have to remember though, there is more footage on Jon Jones than probably any other fighter in the UFC. He has dominated for so long that some of these youngsters just getting into MMA have been training there whole lives to come up with a game plan to beat Jon Jones like Reyes.

I think that he has quietly been serving out a 2 year suspension. Why else has he not fought at heavyweight yet? Something is not quiet adding up. Ngannou VS Jones is the biggest fight that the UFC could put on right now. Why haven't they done it yet? I don't think that it has anything to do with contract negotiations.
 
Randy Fandy Fo Fanders said:
Fuckin haters.

and every single one of you will watch his next fight. Because he entertains you!

props to the GOAT.
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LOL are you joking? His last three fights have been stinkers. He's Jon 'Bores' Jones now.
 
KOPPE said:
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Jon Jones has looked worse in each of his last 3 fights Coincidence? i think not

vs Smith: could have LOST VIA DQ
vs. Santos: SPLIT DECISION even with 2 blown out knees, Jones couldnt do sh*t
vs. Reyes: won by UD but OUT-STRUCK, knocked down, and horrible judging.

based on the tape I've watched, he's noticeably slower, less explosive, and powerful. His wrestling looks regressed. The man who thoroughly outwrestled DC couldn't take down a one-legged Santos once.
The Reyes fight showed a visible regression in chain wrestling and he gave up on attempts quickly, relative to before. As for striking - significantly less volume. The stats say it all, but watch the fights for yourself. He used to throw combinations, unpredictable strikes, he was good at keeping the opponent guessing. These days? You don't see a single combination in his last 3 fights. None of those tricky "look low, kick high" shenanigans.

Jones initially built his tainted legacy from an era where LHW's were shorter. 5'11-6'1. Smith is 6'4, Santos is a thick 6'4, Reyes is 6'5. Much of his game stems from distance and using his length to not get hit.
dont want to get into the juicy juice but he popped for Gus and Smith, two fights he dominated. He did not pop for Santos and Reyes. At a certain point, correlation becomes so certain it reasonably indicates causation.

he knows he is on borrowed time and a loss is inevitable if he keeps fighting.
guys like Prochazka would literally kill him, i just couldn't see him beating all three of Jan, Jiri and Rakic.
he was smart to move to HW - if he is going to lose, only losing to Francis(and collecting 30m lul) or Gane will keep his reputation intact.
we've already seen moving up and losing doesn't affect perceptions of you (see Adesanya v Jan) so there's nothing to lose, everything to gain going to HW and nothing to gain in staying at LHW.
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He is declining in terms of speed and power but his biggest asset, his fight iq, is as sharp as ever. He'll be fine. Also..... Jon has access to the best PEDS. He got caught but I'm sure he has access to the newer ones that will be harder to detect.

Just sayin..
 
Kvothe_the_kingkiller said:
He’s probably earned upward of $50m.

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he’s willing to fight once more for $30m, or not at all. But nothing in between. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Dana chooses not to say yes.

He told the cops in his last arrest that he gets punched in the head for a living and is forgetful these days…..
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50m for all of his fights is actually really low.
 
The more Jones talks about beating everyone at HW the less I believe he's actually coming back.
 
He need juice to fight bloated MW and old ass fighters.

When USADA went in, he sucked.

IMO he straight up lost against Reyes and Gus 1, and Santos was a coin flip, a la GSP/Hendricks. But the Reyes fight and the Gus 1 fight should have been L, easy
 
Jones can still sell PPV somewhere else if his future fights in the UFC didn't go his way.
 
Brampton_Boy said:
Most steroids have no baring on cardiovascular ability, and depending on the compound, they can actually compromise aerobic endurance (trenbolone is a good example of this, it will leave people wheezing after 10 minutes on the treadmill).

I suppose steroids can indirectly impact cardio, as it allows people to train with greater frequency and less downtime, but on aggregate, it will have minimal impact on aerobic endurance (EQ and Anadrol are two exceptions, as both spike red blood cell count). With that being said, there are compounds like Cardarine which are PPAR receptor agonists (different than anabolic steroids) - that shit is like cardio in a bottle and is arguably more effective than EPO.
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Yeah, I don't know what he was taking but he was definitely taking something. If you look at his pre-USADA output compared to post-USADA, it's almost night and day. Take for instance the Glover fight, which along with DC 1 is probably the pinnacle of his athletic prime and roid prime and compare that to his last 3 fights. Even Gus 2 wasn't all that special compared to some of his earlier work.


A quick google search produces numerous articles which say testosterone increases red blood cells. Here are just the first three.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4022090/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5647167/

https://lowtcenter.com/news-article/testosterone-replacement-therapy-anemia/
 
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