Jon Jones doesn’t get enough credit for becoming two-weight UFC champion.

[Final Say]

Wrong.

They said Jones would look terrible at HW. Doubled down after his weigh in photos.
They said Jones had trouble beating LHWs so how could he beat people bigger than him like Gane.
Don't try to go back in time and switch the narrative now you stinky little dork.

Dumbfuck, I literally said it was an easy match and that jones would beat him easily and quickly. I said that the day they announced the fight. I know other people did too.

 

[MrBlackheart]

I do give him credit for being a two weight class champion…beating MWs and LHWs.

 

[m249viking]

No, not 'at the time' but in hindsight.

Majority of sherdoggers thought Gane was too dangerous and was going to smoke him. But lets rewrite history instead.

No, everyone watch Francis flopping around on Gabe and knew he had nothing to offer.

 

[TheBulge]

No, everyone watch Francis flopping around on Gabe and knew he had nothing to offer.

No, the narrative was that Jones couldn't take down Reyes and Santos, had degressed as a wrestler and fighter and was gonna get picked apart with ease by Gane who most still considered the best HW striker. You're just trying to give yourself intentional amnesia.

 

[Problem24/7]

Dumbfuck, I literally said it was an easy match and that jones would beat him easily and quickly. I said that the day they announced the fight. I know other people did too.

Listen to me you skid mark. You were trolling. The main narrative going around was that Jones fails. Period, point blank. Thank you.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Gane was literally the easiest opponent for jon at the time and stipe is 42 and hasn't fought in 3 years dude, Jon's the MMA goat and I hate that bc he's a fucking turd Ferguson but his hw run is 1 cherry picked fight deep and about to be 2 cherry picked fights deep.

No he was not, Gane was a top division fighter and one that Spivac could not get to the ground and Spivac is a very good grappler.

Jones had a lot of questions going up as we all kept reading that he could not even take down Reyes So the question was could Jones take down a fighter like Gane who Ngannou had a hard time keeping down, was fast, elusive and a much better striker.

 

[Final Say]

Listen to me you skid mark. You were trolling. The main narrative going around was that Jones fails. Period, point blank. Thank you.

Nah. Wasn’t trolling. Had conviction. Was right. Have receipts. Thank you

 

[bng]

just like in any other low intelligent community, in mma community recent bias takes major part in opinion or making a conclusion about certain thing/fighter
since jon jones is hated a lot for quite some time, all of his achievements are discredited to the level of jumbuma hill

 

[Final Say]

No he was not, Gane was a top division fighter and one that Spivac could not get to the ground and Spivac is a very good grappler.

Jones had a lot of questions going up as we all kept reading that he could not even take down Reyes

So the question was could be take down a fighter like Gane who Ngannou had a hard time keeping down.

Francis had just beaten the guy with wrestling. Francis. The guy who can’t wrestle.

It was clear that Jones was going to squash him because he didn’t have any grappling to speak of whatsoever and didn’t have the power to keep jones off him. Was easy to call, and was an easy pick for jones first match.

Sleazeball move really, to tease this move for a decade just to cherry pick the best stylistic match up available that was even near the title

 

[tritestill]

Jon literally just said he would fight Alex before Tom, that's why he gets no credit

 

[deadshot138]

Everyone he beat at LHW was past it and when he fought fresh meat, his finishes became decisions. Let's not forget the steroids peppered in to finish Cormier. At HW he picked the easiest fight for the title and now the second easiest fight for a defense.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Francis had just beaten the guy with wrestling. Francis. The guy who can’t wrestle.

It was clear that Jones was going to squash him because he didn’t have any grappling to speak of whatsoever and didn’t have the power to keep jones off him. Was easy to call, and was an easy pick for jones first match.

Sleazeball move really, to tease this move for a decade just to cherry pick the best stylistic match up available that was even near the title

If you actually watched the fight Francis had a hard time keeping Gane down, he tried twice, and failed the first time to keep Gane on the ground. Gane then made a mistake on the ground and Ngannou went to work and Ngannou is a very good wrestler who is as strong as an ox. He literally just pulled Gane down to the ground.

Spivac could not keep or take Gane down and is one of the best wrestlers in the HW division. Gane has 3 submission wins and is a serviceable ground grappler. You can tell that in the Spivac fight and the Ngannou fight. There is no shame in getting caught by a fighter of the caliber of jones on the ground who is very dangerous on the ground.

 

[Final Say]

If you actually watched the fight Francis had a hard time getting Gane down, he tried twice, and failed the first time to keep Gane o n the ground. Gane then made a mistake on the ground and got caught.

Spivac could not keep or take Gane down and is one of the best grapplers in the HW division. Gane has 3 submission wins and is a serviceable and good ground grappler. You can tell that in the Spivac fight and the Ngannou fight.

Well I don’t particularly remember the Spivac fight, but I SURELY wouldn’t consider him a litmus test to see who’s a good grappler in the division. Not being taken down by him doesn’t mean you can grapple, he’s never even approached the title picture.

As far as the Ngannou fight is concerned, I remember watching it and being stunned how badly he was losing to Francis on the ground. The guy had absolutely nothing and only lost because Francis could hold him down. Myself and the people I watched with came away from that fight saying he had zero grappling. That fight is the entire reason I knew he’d lose to jones very easily

 

[Intermission]

Enter Ciryl Gane. In his prime. The new “next generation” of athletic HWs. Yes, he had just lost a razor close split decision to Ngannou (who was knocking everyone out).

Haha. He's a meatball with pussy kicks and zero resilience on the ground to a sluggish and old Jones. But yeah sure... Big win.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Well I don’t particularly remember the Spivac fight, but I SURELY wouldn’t consider him a litmus test to see who’s a good grappler in the division. Not being taken down by him doesn’t mean you can grapple, he’s never even approached the title picture.

As far as the Ngannou fight is concerned, I remember watching it and being stunned how badly he was losing to Francis on the ground. The guy had absolutely nothing and only lost because Francis could hold him down. Myself and the people I watched with came away from that fight saying he had zero grappling. That fight is the entire reason I knew he’d lose to jones very easily

Then you and your friends need to watch someone who does know the ins and outs explain it. Yes what Gane showed in the Spivac fight detailed his ability to stop takedowns, sprawl and do it competently. You can tell he has serviceable grappling off his back in the spivac fight and the Ngannou fight. When Ngannou took him down he did the right things on the ground such as utilize underhooks and raise his legs to keep Ngannou from digging in a submission. You could even hear Cormier making the same comments.

He has a servicable ground game and has 3 submissions which tells me he has some knowledge on the ground. His ability to keep Spivac off him and sprawl and reverse a wrestler of his caliber tells me he has some knowledge. He is also hard to get down and Spivac could not get Gane down, which means he is elusive. It is not a shame to have jones do that to you as he is a dangerous grappler when he can get his hooks into you. It was a good win.

 

[Final Say]

Then you and your friends need to watch someone who does know what grappling is explain what happened. You can tell he has servicable grappling off his back in the spivac fight and the Ngannou fight. When Ngannou took him down he did the right things on the ground such as utilize underhooks and raise his legs to keep Ngannou from digging in a submission. You could even hear Cormier making the same comments so do a little homework and look at some analysts speak about it.

He has servicable ground game and has 3 submissions which tells me he has some knowledge on the ground.

Lol didn’t read past the first sentence, have a good day

 

[RedDevilFan]

Lol didn’t read past the first sentence, have a good day

Listen that is fine, i had to do just that and it enlightened me on Ganes ground game, which i thought was shit but was explained other wise from a BJJ grappler. Youtube can help and so can a gym.

No shame in it and you can literally see actual BJJ practitioners breaking down Ganes ground game. You can even watch them break down his fight against Jon Jones in which he did a few things correctly against the cage defensively when he stuffed jones takedown and when jones could not get the first front guillotine choke locked in.

 

[Arne Rud]

Its a bit like with Conor, a little gifted

 

[Deleted member 513083]

I pray to the pico gods and that the peruvian snow will make Jon just say fuck it and fight Aspinall.

 

[JBJ was here]

Man shut up. This wasn't the narrative leading up to that fight. It's only after Jones destroyed him that Gane is the easiest opponent, Gane sucks etc. Such a smelly little casual fan girl you are.

Gane was the easiest opponent for Jones. An highly proficient technical striker lacking creativity with little ground game against GOAT-level striking defense with a well rounded arsenal goes only one way absent major surprises.

Of course other heavyweights don't have Jones's striking defense, making Gane much more relatively dangerous to them.