Jon Jones declines Stipe fight

[SlomiGa]

So, does anyone give a shit about JBJ anymore? I know I dont.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Would that not be the 3rd belt?

Yes, but the interim, interim belt sounds more legit.

 

[warriorfan808]

Weird turning down the fight. I would be ok with him getting a title shot given his success at LHW, but that’s only if there’s no other suitable contender.

 

[Tito Tapped]

Actually I saw a tweet a couple months or so ago where Jones specifically said “I’m not fighting Stipe”. Get your facts straight.

You mean in deleted tweets after Dana White tried to sell it to the media in Houston as a shitty negotiation tactic?

No fake news around here

 

[Costacurta greece]

When does being inactive in a weight you've never even fought in lead to a championship fight?

When you re one of the goats/former champ with multiple defences and probably the biggest ppv in Ufc (outside of conor)

 

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When you re one of the goats/former champ with multiple defences and probably the biggest ppv in Ufc (outside of conor)

Not even close:




UFC 229 Khabib vs. McGregor 2018.10.06 2,400,000

UFC 264 Poirier vs. McGregor 3 2021.07.10 1,800,000

UFC 202 Diaz vs. McGregor 2 2016.08.20 1,600,000

UFC 257 Poirier vs. McGregor 2 2021.01.23 1,600,000

UFC 246 McGregor vs. Cerrone 2020.01.18 1,353,429

UFC 196 McGregor vs. Diaz 2016.03.05 1,317,000

UFC 205 Alvarez vs. McGregor 2016.11.12 1,300,000

UFC 100 2009.07.11 1,300,000

UFC 251 Usman vs. Masvidal 2020.07.11 1,300,000

UFC 194 Aldo vs. McGregor 2015.12.12 1,200,000

UFC 116 Lesnar vs Carwin 2010.07.03 1,160,000

UFC 207 Nunes vs. Rousey 2016.12.30 1,100,000

UFC 193 Rousey vs. Holm 2015.11.14 1,100,000

UFC 121 Lesnar vs. Velasquez 2010.10.23 1,050,000

UFC 114 Jackson vs Evans 2010.05.29 1,050,000

UFC 92 The Ultimate 2008 2008.12.27 1,050,000

UFC 168 Weidman vs. Silva 2 2013.12.28 1,025,000

UFC 91 Couture vs Lesnar 2008.11.15 1,010,000

UFC 200 Tate vs. Nunes 2016.07.09 1,009,000

UFC 158 St. Pierre vs. Diaz 2013.03.16 950,000

UFC 66 Liddell vs. Ortiz 2 2006.12.30 929,000

UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen 2 2012.07.07 925,000

UFC 94 St-Pierre vs. Penn 2 2009.01.31 920,000

UFC 190 Rousey vs. Correia 2015.08.01 900,000

UFC 217 Bisping vs. St. Pierre 2017.11.04 875,000

UFC 214 Cormier vs. Jones 2 2017.07.29 860,000

 

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I probably should have included Dillishaw, Cejudo, GSP, Couture also.

They all went up or down and got championship fights.

How many of those moved up a weight class then sat for years vs being given an opportunity because they were active...?

 

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Not funny f off

 

[icemun]

So, does anyone give a shit about JBJ anymore? I know I dont.

Answered your own question. You actively participated in a thread thats already 8 pages

 

[Captain Herb]

Jon haters

Jon declines Stipe fight: "He's retired. The move to HW is just talk."

Jon accepts Stipe fight: "See! I told you he was just ducking Ngannou!"

When did he take the Stipe fight?

 

[Captain Herb]

Jones is riding out a quiet 2yr USADA suspension.

His next infraction will basically be a lifetime suspension unless it somehow gets cut way short, which is possible I guess.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

When does being inactive in a weight you've never even fought in lead to a championship fight?

When it makes the UFC money. GSP-Bisping for instance.

 

[Captain Herb]

Why would he fight a former champ at this point especially after he was looking for a money fight against the HW champion.
Perfectly logical move especially for an undefeated champion

If he was confident about beating Stipe, he would just go ahead and do it. That would make the most sense. Now if he isn't that confident... Maybe he declines the fight and says he'll fight someone at some point next year but he's 'not ready yet'.

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

When does being inactive in a weight you've never even fought in lead to a championship fight?

GSP
conor
holloway
dillashaw
cejudo
amanda
vitor
chael
pettis
edgar

it happens all the time & there's no reason for UFC to deny jones a title shot at HW especially since there are 0 interesting fights aside from ngannou vs gane

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

I don’t understand this. Most of us can agree that Jones would run through Stipe. He is just better in every aspect. This would have been a great way to show that he is without a doubt the next contender for the HW belt

Most of us don't have to get into the cage with Stipe, so our opinions about running through him are somewhat irrelevant. Stipe probably looks like a much harder fight when you're the one who actually has to face. Everything's easy if you don't have to do it yourself.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

How many of those moved up a weight class then sat for years vs being given an opportunity because they were active...?

GSP was retired for four years and had never fought at MW when he was given the Bisping title fight. Its all about money. Challenge, legacy, even fear are things fans think about. For professionals its about money -- every fight, especially as they get older, has a risk vs reward element, and both the risk and the reward are measured in dollars. Even talk of legacy and challenge are just there to keep fans paying to watch them, because in the end the fights they take are all about money rather than challenge or legacy.

Every fight is a monetary risk/reward gamble. A loss risks losing a lot of future earnings (either because you lose your drawing power, or because you're injured and potentially never able to fight at your previous level again -- GSP ran into that with his knee injury), a win has the potential of not only the pay-out for the win but in being a bigger draw in the future. Though I hate to be a cynical old man, the one thing life shows again and again is that when it comes to business, follow the money because it'll rarely be wrong (and remember professional fighting is a million dollar business for guys like Jones).

 

[rjmbrd]

So, does anyone give a shit about JBJ anymore? I know I dont.

Yes of course?

I think Jon is annoying and often times a despicable human, but he's unarguably one of the greatest fighters of all time. Aside from being undefeated, he has the most impressive strength of schedule ever even attempted in the upper weight divisions.

We know from court filings the UFC is paying an embarrassing 18% of revenue to fighters. That includes all bonuses, PPV points, even the insurance plan. It is highway robbery out in the open.

So now the GOAT 205lbs champion and the current, literal baddest man on the planet, Ngannou, are both on the sidelines because they won't pay these guys a remotely reasonable cut of the money they generate.

UFC is bush league and its an embarrassment. Pay these guys.

 

[JosephTessaro]

How many of those moved up a weight class then sat for years vs being given an opportunity because they were active...?

I think you know the answer to that question...

 

[krelianx]

He wins a toss up split decision with a legless Santos, then got a gift decision with Reyes looking the worst he's ever looked, then relinquished the belt to go up in weight, then demanded a heap of money to fight Ngannou which he didn't get, and now he rejects a top fight and wants a title shot at HW despite inactivity.

Yeah, sorry, but I don't give a flying fuck about Jon Jones.

 

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GSP was retired for four years and had never fought at MW when he was given the Bisping title fight. Its all about money. Challenge, legacy, even fear are things fans think about. For professionals its about money -- every fight, especially as they get older, has a risk vs reward element, and both the risk and the reward are measured in dollars. Even talk of legacy and challenge are just there to keep fans paying to watch them, because in the end the fights they take are all about money rather than challenge or legacy.

Every fight is a monetary risk/reward gamble. A loss risks losing a lot of future earnings (either because you lose your drawing power, or because you're injured and potentially never able to fight at your previous level again -- GSP ran into that with his knee injury), a win has the potential of not only the pay-out for the win but in being a bigger draw in the future. Though I hate to be a cynical old man, the one thing life shows again and again is that when it comes to business, follow the money because it'll rarely be wrong (and remember professional fighting is a million dollar business for guys like Jones).

Cool story dude