Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

[Threetrees]

Who the hell is allowed to bring a backpack inside a theater? Don’t they check what’s inside? Such as if you snuck in food or etc?

what police state do you live in?

There's no security at my movie theatre,

 

[ufcfan4]

When I saw it some dude a few seats over sitting by himself spent 5 mins rifling through a backpack. Everyone around him was super tense waiting to make sure he didn’t pull out a gun. Strange times.

In the first couple of years after that horrible shooting in Aurora, I would legitimately be scanning through the crowd at most movies I went to looking for erratic behavior or something being askew in the minutes prior to the trailers starting.

When my friends and I saw 22 Jump Street opening weekend back in 14, these three 18-or-so year olds walked in about fifteen minutes after the starting point of the film and all of them had backpacks. I remember legitimately thinking that they were going to pull weapons out of there. Had no basis for this other than my being edgy but seriously freaked me out at the time. of course, they were just teens with backpacks. But yeah frankly I am no fan of people bringing bags into theaters.

 

[chickenluver]

what police state do you live in?

There's no security at my movie theatre,

Yeah I've never seen security like that for a movie or people checking bags.

When I saw the movie the lady taking tickets just asked everybody if they were 17 or older. Which is weird because they didn't ask for ID at the ticket booth. She said it in kind of a joking manner since everybody clearly looked in their 20's or 30's. Probably just something the theater owners mandated to make sure kids weren't seeing the movie.

 

[chickenluver]

But yeah frankly I am no fan of people bringing bags into theaters.

How else are people supposed to carry their glasses case, coat, THC vape pen, snacks, water bottle and empty bottle for peeing in?

 

[ufcfan4]

How else are people supposed to carry their glasses case, coat, THC vape pen, snacks, water bottle and empty bottle for peeing in?

haha. Excellent question.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Par for the course for me really.

Good to know...

Joker is the first 10/10 I've given on a DL poll.

Get a load of this …. Joker > TDK, but Ledger > Pheonix.

Did you think Ledger's Joker was better than Phoenix's, or did you think his performance was better?

Yeah, I know a fair amount about the porn industry because I used to do porn reviews in the early 2000s, some of which were published and are still available on IAFD (the IMDB of porn).

Fun Fact: IAFD also stands for Irish Association of Funeral Directors.

 

[YellowBanenoo]

be respectful

 

[tehJameson]

I'm going to pay to see it again just to spite Leto and the fucking weirdos that enjoyed his "joker"

 

[Peteyandjia]

Absolute nonsense. Completely illogical. You're making no logical sense. None. "Sure, there is a lot of subjectivity in art". There's nothing but subjectivity in art. Art is all subjective. Did you bother to watch the video? Hume said beauty is in the eye of the beholder. He was right. Beauty is in each individual beholder's eye. It is not objectively present in the object or person or whatever itself. Because if it were, we would be able to scientifically measure it. There would be a scientifically standardised, universally agreed upon unit of beauty, just as there are units of length, speed, distance, etc. There would be a beautimetre or a qualimetre. There is none. Therefore, there is no aesthetic objectivity. Objectivity, in the sense of statements like A is not as good as/as good as/better than B, does not and cannot exist where there is no standardised unit of measurement to assert such a claim as fact. If you look at a certain flower and think it's beautiful, and ask me for my opinion, and I think it looks dull and is nothing special, what right have you to tell me I'm wrong? My opinion is my opinion and yours is yours and neither of us is wrong because we're not talking facts, we're talking opinions. As I said before, opinions are opinions and facts are facts and never the twain shall meet. Never. Ever, ever, ever. How many times will I have to repeat that in order to get the message through to you? Learn the difference between a fact and an opinion. A fact is true regardless of what anyone thinks about it or anyone's reactions or anyone's feelings or anyone's emotions. A fact is true regardless of whether or not there even is anyone in existence to be aware of its truth. Imagine for a moment our entire species were to be wiped out tomorrow. Just imagine that tomorrow every man, woman and child on the planet were to suddenly drop dead. All that would be left besides our corpses would be our own creations, the plants, the animals, and the planet itself. Now say a tree falls over in a forest, and at that time, there are no lifeforms in the forest capable of perceiving it falling over. Forget about whether or not it makes a sound. The question now is does it fall over? Well if it falls over, it falls over. It doesn't matter that there was no wolf in the forest who saw it falling over. It doesn't matter that there are no humans around to come across the fallen tree and say, "Well this tree has to have been upright at some point. So therefore, to get to where it is now, it must have fallen over." No, none of that matters. The FACT remains, the tree fell over. I'll give you an historical fact. The American Civil War. The American Civil War... happened. That is a fact. No one ever disputes that. No one ever denies it. And even if there were no longer anyone around to know about that war, it still... happened. Long before the species died out, that war took place. Our extinction would do nothing to change what happened in the past. What happened happened.

"There us a basis of craft to [acting]. Ya know, it's funny, but I was never taught anything about craft in mathematics or science class. I had to learn about length and distance and weight and gravity and solids and liquids and gases and this and that and the other; no math or science teacher ever mentioned to me a word about craft. So I never learned the unit of it. Please, enlighten me, o wise one, what, pray tell, is the standardised, univerally agreed upon unit of CRAFT?! And shouldn't there also be a different unit for each form of craft? The craft of composing, the craft of painting, the craft of writing, etc., etc., etc., the craft of acting. What about all the distinctions that exist within each one of those crafts? Please, tell me, o wise and ancient master of all objective truth, what is the unit of the craft of composing pop music/heavy metal/grunge/New Wave? The craft of painting in oils/watercolours/acrylics? The craft of writing magazine/newspaper articles/books/critical reviews/historical essays? The craft of voice/stage/film/television acting? "As you can see from their respective performances in Taxi Driver and Speed, De Niro's acting level is 3.796 Brandoes higher than Reeves's. If only the difference had been 3.793, Reeves would, we can be sure, have won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his compelling and electrifying turn in Always Be My Maybe." Oops, spoiler alert!

"A certain degree of fundamentals". Oh I do love the objective vagueness and non-specificity of that phrase. Allow me to repeat it so I can once more experience tand be enraptured by the syllabically exquisite melody. "A certain degree of fundamentals". Damn... I should have worn my white pants. What the fuck are ya talkin' about?! "A certain degree of fundamentals"?! Well if it's so certain, would it kill ya to specify exactly what degree that is? 97? 132? And are we talking degrees North or degrees West? I'm not a mind-reader, ya know. Come to think of it, how can ya specify? Ya haven't yet told me what these so-called "fundamentals" are. Head-tilting? Lip-smacking? Pussy-eating? I must ensure I achieve mastery over these "fundamentals" so I can become the next President of the Screen Actors Guild and revel in anonymity and despair for the seemingly interminable remainder of my abjectly futile existence.

"if someone thinks that say, Tommy Wiseau is a better actor than Daniel Day-Lewis, they are entitled to their opinion; but they are also certainly wrong." Certainly wrong. It is a fact that their opinion is scientifically, objectively wrong. Bullshit. Utterly, offensively bullshit. Again, where's your scientifically standardised, universally agreed upon unit of quality, where's your qualimetre, by which you can objectively state, as a fact, that their subjective opinion is wrong? A fact is something that is true irrespective of whether anyone can perceive it or is aware of it. Again, going back to my scenario of every huiman being dying tomorrow, historical facts will still be true. Events that did take place will still have taken place. Nothing can change that. The fact that no one is aware of those events can't change that. For a scientific fact, an 8 foot long table will still be longer than a 4 foot one. These are truths. These are facts. Human beings are completely irrelevant when it comes to cold, hard, scientific or historical facts. The moment you introduce an observer into the situation, the moment they start thinking about what it is they're perceiving or learning and deciding how they feel about it, how it hits them, then you exit the world of objective fact and enter the world of subjective opinion. And a subjective opinion cannot be judged objectively. It cannot be proven false. Or true, for that matter. That's the main difference bettween a fact and an opinion. Whether something is a fact depends on whether or not it can be proven. If it can't, then it's just, at best, an opinion. So you can't judge an opinion objectively, nor should you ever think that you can. Because the moment that you do think that, the moment you think that you can objectively call someone else's opinion wrong, and yours right, therefore factual, then what's to stop you from stating any opinion as fact? What's to stop you from saying it's a fact that a certain person is ugly? Now you may say you'd never say that. But what's to stop you? Seriously. Nothing. Again, I implore you, understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. You may say you wouldn't insult a person for having an opinion you think is objectively wrong, but just to be told that your opinion is objectively wrong is insulting. No one wants to be told that their subjective opinion is objectively wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what it is, or how crazy anyone may think it is. No one should be told their opinion is wrong because an opinion cannot be wrong. That's what makes it an opinion.

Whole lotta words up there, I disagree with most of ‘em. That’s ok tho

 

[Steve Rogers]

Whole lotta words up there, I disagree with most of ‘em. That’s ok tho

It's not my opinion. My argument is based on the definitions of the words fact, opinion, objective, and subjective.

 

[Peteyandjia]

It's not my opinion. My argument is based on the definitions of the words fact, opinion, objective, and subjective.

 

[Steve Rogers]

jesus christ. I spent a day on that fucking post and what do I get in response? This shit,

Whole lotta words up there, I disagree with most of ‘em. That’s ok tho

and this shit,

Why did I even bother? Arguing with you is like talking to a potted plant. Let's just stay the fuck away from each other from now on, shall we?

 

[Peteyandjia]

jesus christ. I spent a day on that fucking post and what do I get in response? This shit,



and this shit,



Why did I even bother? Arguing with you is like talking to a potted plant. Let's just stay the fuck away from each other from now on, shall we?

Well, I still read every word you wrote. I just don’t happen to agree with you. It’s not like the more you write, the more I must therefore write back, or that the more words & videos you post, the more I must therefore agree.

Hell, who says we have to agree anyway? It’s all good from my end man, I got’s no beef with ya. We are just random schmucks arguing about bullshit in a digital barbershop after all.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Well, I still read every word you wrote. I just don’t happen to agree with you. It’s not like the more you write, the more I must therefore write back, or that the more words & videos you post, the more I must therefore agree.

Hell, who says we have to agree anyway? It’s all good from my end man, I got’s no beef with ya. We are just random schmucks arguing about bullshit in a digital barbershop after all.

You should agree with me because it's important that everyone understands what facts are and what opinions are, and what the difference between the two is. But you seem to think you're entitled to an opinion on what objective fact and subjective opinion mean and you're not. And I'm not. All those words mean what the dictionary says they mean.

 

[Peteyandjia]

You should agree with me because it's important that everyone understands what facts are and what opinions are, and what the difference between the two is. But you seem to think you're entitled to an opinion on what objective fact and subjective opinion mean and you're not. And I'm not. All those words mean what the dictionary says they mean.

I don’t think we’re arguing over what facts and opinions mean, but rather how much or whether at all they each apply to the craft of acting or not. Either way, no biggie.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I don’t think we’re arguing over what facts and opinions mean, but rather how much or whether at all they each apply to the craft of acting or not. Either way, no biggie.

But when you talk about those words in regard to acting, you show a profound and dangerous lack of understanding of what the words actually mean. Thinking that you can judge someone else's subjective opinion objectively shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Peteyandjia]

But when you talk about those words in regard to acting, you show a profound and dangerous lack of understanding of what the words actually mean. Thinking that you can judge someone else's subjective opinion objectively shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Steve Rogers]

You think you're entitled to call someome else's subjective opinion objectively wrong. No one wants to hear that. It's offensive and hurtful, besides being ridiculous.

 

[minute bull]

WTF is wrong with you people.

 

[Peteyandjia]

It's offensive and hurtful