JOKER Origin Movie (First Poster Released)

[Lex Bigelow]

The movie BvS wasn't that great but I really liked the version of Batman.

Seeing him older and cranky and possibly envious of Superman was really cool. Plus he's at that point where he just doesn't care and he blows everybody away.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Everybody.

Former Red Hood

Not really that exciting

Unless that wanna do something new for the movie

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Im not that interested. Character has been beat to fkn death.

Maybe a Red Hood movie.. Maybe.

Well first they would need to set up death in the family

You would need a robin(Jason Todd) people care about so they actually feel something when he dies

They couldn't just do Red hood without all the backstory needed to put you in the right emotional place

and TBH that story might just be too dark to even do a movie out of at this point in time. Right now people dont want dark DC movies. They want colorful good happy DC stuff

 

[CargoKing]

You know your talking to a guy who's written 14 books.

2 Novels
2 screenplays
1 novelette
6 books of poetry
3 books of Bible Interpretations

Oh damn we've got something in common! I've taken a lot of shits in my life too....

Quit justifying crap. Not only did Civil war not have a proper villain either did Winter Soldier. Lol

Your criticism of a movie about a group's internal conflict is to reference another movie's lack of a villain? That's so stupid it's almost impressive.

Winter Soldier = CA's boss was the villain and Bucky his instrument. No depth. Once Cap finds out it's Bucky he stops fighting him, lol. I know, drama so tense you could cut it with a knife (sarcasm).

Why are you talking about Winter Soldier when the discussion was CW and Suicide Squad? Do you have ADD?

Civil war = Winter Soldier 2. Even lamer than the original. No villain. Cap has a differing of opinion with Stark and so they beat each other up. Lol. No villain and ZERO closer. Epic fail.

Wow, with analysis like that I bet your writings are real treats to ready. You sound like a 4th grader reviewing the movie in s tweet....

Suicide Squad had a 6000 year old witch as a villain and it doubled down when she raised up her brother. The fact both were using innocent vessels made it even deeper.

LOL! Tony and Cap had a "difference of opinion" but the witch and her brother were "innocent vessels making the story deeper". You're officially trolling or retarded.

A profound ending where both brother and sister are killed and even one of the good guys die.

A profound ending?! God I hope DC is paying you to give up all credibility like this.

At this point Marvel is basically repackaging crap. The first CA was good but the two others were pathetic cash grabs that brought the overall brand down. At least DC is taking chances.

You're a writer yet you don't realize a paragraph like that is basically admitting the movie was subpar. "At least" they're taking chances is saying that's all they've managed to do, and implies they failed at taking a chance. Good job Hemmingway.

Now do you have any facts you would like to bring to the table or are you just going to pout like a child (see what I did there).

Show me one single fact in your post. All I saw was someone telling me why their opinions are stupid.

 

[prod2821]

Jack Napier mafia related sounds up Scorsese's alley, I know he's producing but still

 

[DataBreach]

Oh damn we've got something in common! I've taken a lot of shits in my life too....



Your criticism of a movie about a group's internal conflict is to reference another movie's lack of a villain? That's so stupid it's almost impressive.



Why are you talking about Winter Soldier when the discussion was CW and Suicide Squad? Do you have ADD?



Wow, with analysis like that I bet your writings are real treats to ready. You sound like a 4th grader reviewing the movie in s tweet....



LOL! Tony and Cap had a "difference of opinion" but the witch and her brother were "innocent vessels making the story deeper". You're officially trolling or retarded.



A profound ending?! God I hope DC is paying you to give up all credibility like this.



You're a writer yet you don't realize a paragraph like that is basically admitting the movie was subpar. "At least" they're taking chances is saying that's all they've managed to do, and implies they failed at taking a chance. Good job Hemmingway.



Show me one single fact in your post. All I saw was someone telling me why their opinions are stupid.

You argue like a ho.

Don't splice up my points especially if all you're going to do is use stupid insults, assumptions and outright nonsensical crap. Like your "at least" point. Lol. Please tell me you're joking? At least implies they're willing to take chances and not constantly repackage crap like Marvel. If you splice up this comment I won't take you seriously. It's a dishonest method used to control the conversation. It also abandons the soul of my argument. Go re-read your splice once you calm down little man. You made no sense, didn't counter any of my accurate points and generally just sounded like a gigantic douche.

Let me give you a lesson in writing.

Comic book movies, or James Bond movies, need a good villain to counter the "good guys." The longer the audience knows a hero the more bored they become. This is why I brought up James Bond. There have been so many films on Bond the character is now bland. Hence, the need for really good villains to make up for Bond's constant presence.

Now, apply this reasoning the Captain America. This guy is as bland as it comes. If any comic book hero's need a solid villain it's him. Why, you ask? Because not only is he bland, He's ridiculously predictable. For this reason he absolutely needs a strong villain to test his character.

To bring the worst out of him
Expose him
Bring the best out of him
Make him vulnerable
Make him more interesting
Show different sides of his character
To get him to screw up
Etc.

How on earth is having his best friend as the villain going to do any of that with Rogers? The audience knows, even before the film, Captain is going to try and rescue and redeem him. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is we as an audience ALREADY KNOW THAT!

No suspense
No exposing of Captain
No bringing the worst out of him
We don't get to see the Captain sweat, or falter, or self examine or doubt himself.
Nothing

This is why my point regarding both films (Winter Soldier, Civil War) not having solid villains is not only true but horribly destructive for the films as a whole. It means not only does the audience already know the outcome, the suspense of what might have been has vanished.

The more bland and predictable a hero is, the greater the villain needs to be. So yes, the lack of a good villain in both movies was an epic fail.

Now make a good point or get lost. You've said nothing to oppose my accurate assessments and have only spewed nonsense.

 

[The Clinch]

About Joker? I don't think so. He's not Loki, mischievous and whatnot. He's a murdering psychopath. No fluff can make that into an antihero.

Then again, it's DC, and they're making a Black Adam movie, probably doing the same antihero thing there, so who knows.

Yeeeah, they wanna ruin it and have the viewer feel sorta bad for the guy. Hollywood ruined Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees overexplaining shit.

I get that Joker is a popular character, but he's a villain. A bad guy. And he should remain that way. We don't need to be like "ooooh, that poor soul, I get why he is the way he is". No.

Sorta unrelated but sorta not, but I wish Nolan would have touched on Mr. Freeze.

 

[Desdinova]

Might as well get Nickolas Cage to play the joker at this point.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

@Slobodan

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I thought that was Killing Joke.

 

[CargoKing]

You argue like a ho.

Hold on let me read this next sentence....
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Don't splice up my points especially if all you're going to do is use stupid insults,

Ah, stupid and a hypocrite. Excuse me while I laugh and proceed to "splice up" your posts...

assumptions and outright nonsensical crap.

....said the guy talking about Winter Soldier and bringing up his writing of bible interpretations. LOL! Oh you're adorable.

Like your "at least" point. Lol. Please tell me you're joking? At least implies they're willing to take chances and not constantly repackage crap like Marvel.

No, the part where you state "they take chances" implies they take chances. Putting "at least" in front of it concedes the truth of the criticisms you're responding to.

And you're a writer? LOL.

If you splice up this comment I won't take you seriously.

Can't handle someone succinctly responding to the stupid shit falling out of that dumb-box you call a face?

It's a dishonest method

In what way is it dishonest?

used to control the conversation.

I'm actually just using my superiority to control the conversation. Quotes are just a way to directly address everything your saying. Sorry if that's too much for such an accomplished writer like you to respond to....

It also abandons the soul of my argument.

The soul of your argument.... that Suicide Squad was a good film....?

Go re-read your splice once you calm down little man. You made no sense, didn't counter any of my accurate points and generally just sounded like a gigantic douche.

Awww now you gotta try and pretend I'm upset? The hoops fools like you have to jump through in place of having a good argument.... it's just sad. I wish I could respond for you.

Let me give you a less in writing.

Holy shit stop! I'm already laughing hysterically.

Comic book movies, or James Bond movies, need a good villain to counter the "good guys."

Did you really just equate comic book films to Bond films like it's a common type? Did you mean action? If you did, you're wrong. A good action film doesn't need a quality villain to drive it. One about an INTERNAL CONFLICT in a group of heros certainly doesn't need it.

But good job showing people you don't know dick about writing or what the story of CW was.

The longer the audience knows a hero the more bored they become. This is why I brought up James Bond.

Oh! That's why you brought up Bond. To show how audiences get bored of a hero. Your example is a timeless character that's worked for over 30 years?

Honestly how old are you? I feel like I'm picking on a 12 year old right now, that's how stupid you're coming across.

There have been so many films on Bond the character is now bland.

According to you. And your opinions are garbage.

Hence, the need for really good villains to make up for Bond's constant presence.

Yeah they've kept making 007 movies with Bond as the only constant because people don't like the character. Makes total sense.... if you're stupid.

Now, apply this reasoning the Captain America. This guy is as bland as it comes.

Yet the film of his you enjoyed was his origin story that was entirely centered around his character. Riiiiigggghhbht.

If any comic book hero's need a solid villain it's him.

Let me give you a lesson in writing;

The word you're looking for is antagonist. Not villain. And as long as a movie is well written, the story doesn't require a 'villain'. It usually requires an antagonist. In this case, they even cleverly played with the standard pro/antagonist roles by giving the audience a personal choice of who they'd pick to fill those roles.

I'm sorry you were too dumb to get the movie, but those of us who did enjoyed it immensely. Maybe when you learn more about writing you can watch it again.

Why, you ask? Because not only is he bland, He's ridiculously predictable. For this reason he absolutely needs a strong villain to test his character.

No, he doesn't, as I've clearly established. And you say the problems with his character are being bland and predictable, yet you liked the 1st movie? A movie about the origins of an existing character who's fate we already know....

Makes sense.

To bring the worst out of him
Expose him
Bring the best out of him
Make him vulnerable
Make him more interesting
Show different sides of his character
To get him to screw up
Etc.

Antagonist. A good writer could do everything you listed with a character's mother you terrible "writer".

How on earth is having his best friend as the villain going to do any of that with Rogers?

Ok so you are trolling. If you can't figure out how having his best friend be an enemy would make him vulnerable, make him screw up, bring the worst/best out of him or make him more interesting, you're literally the worst writer on the planet and retarded.

So I hope you're just trolling.

The audience knows, even before the film, Captain is going to try and rescue and redeem him. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is we as an audience ALL READY KNOW THAT!

Jesus fucking Christ I'm dying laughing. It's 'already'. The audience isn't all ready. What a writer you are....

But yes, we know the dilemma he's faced with. We don't know the resolution going in at all. That's how movies are sold and why trailers are a thing.

What about Suicide Squad left you guessing....

No suspense

Yes, there was.

No exposing of Captain

He got exposed as choosing friends over country. Kind of a big deal for a guy named Captain America when it comes to the guy who iced JFK.

No bringing the worst out of him

He's a superhero who was breaking the law. How stupid can you possibly be?!

We don't get to see the Captain sweat, or falter, or self examine or doubt himself.
Nothing

So you didn't even see the movie? You're saying the exact opposite of reality. Just shut the fuck up.

This is why my point regarding both films (Winter Soldier, Civil War) not having solid villains is not only true but horribly destructive for the films as a whole.

I haven't laughed this hard in awhile. Thank you. A writer. LOL....

It means not only does the audience already know the outcome, the suspense of what might have been has vanished.

Yeah I'm sure everyone knew exactly what would happen. That's why it made so much money right? Or wait, does that point about $ only work for SS? The movie that made less money than CW? So confusing.

The more bland and predictable a hero is, the greater the villain needs to be. So yes, the lack of a good villain in both movies was an epic fail.

Said the self-proclaimed "writer" who doesn't know what an antagonist is. You're opinion on films is less valuable than a dog's.

Now make a good point or get lost.

Looks like I'm not going anywhere.

You've said nothing to oppose my accurate assessments and have only spewed nonsense.

You say this like you don't plan on completely avoiding everything I've said. Run away now little child with some more nonsense about how you won't read a post that actually addresses what's been said.

I'll be here laughing at the parade of stupid you thought was a good reply.

 

[DataBreach]

Hold on let me read this next sentence....
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Ah, stupid and a hypocrite. Excuse me while I laugh and proceed to "splice up" your posts...



....said the guy talking about Winter Soldier and bringing up his writing of bible interpretations. LOL! Oh you're adorable.



No, the part where you state "they take chances" implies they take chances. Putting "at least" in front of it concedes the truth of the criticisms you're responding to.

And you're a writer? LOL.



Can't handle someone succinctly responding to the stupid shit falling out of that dumb-box you call a face?



In what way is it dishonest?



I'm actually just using my superiority to control the conversation. Quotes are just a way to directly address everything your saying. Sorry if that's too much for such an accomplished writer like you to respond to....



The soul of your argument.... that Suicide Squad was a good film....?






Awww now you gotta try and pretend I'm upset? The hoops fools like you have to jump through in place of having a good argument.... it's just sad. I wish I could respond for you.





Holy shit stop! I'm already laughing hysterically.



Did you really just equate comic book films to Bond films like it's a common type? Did you mean action? If you did, you're wrong. A good action film doesn't need a quality villain to drive it. One about an INTERNAL CONFLICT in a group of heros certainly doesn't need it.

But good job showing people you don't know dick about writing or what the story of CW was.



Oh! That's why you brought up Bond. To show how audiences get bored of a hero. Your example is a timeless character that's worked for over 30 years?

Honestly how old are you? I feel like I'm picking on a 12 year old right now, that's how stupid you're coming across.



According to you. And your opinions are garbage.



Yeah they've kept making 007 movies with Bond as the only constant because people don't like the character. Makes total sense.... if you're stupid.



Yet the film of his you enjoyed was his origin story that was entirely centered around his character. Riiiiigggghhbht.



Let me give you a lesson in writing;

The word you're looking for is antagonist. Not villain. And as long as a movie is well written, the story doesn't require a 'villain'. It usually requires an antagonist. In this case, they even cleverly played with the standard pro/antagonist roles by giving the audience a personal choice of who they'd pick to fill those roles.

I'm sorry you were too dumb to get the movie, but those of us who did enjoyed it immensely. Maybe when you learn more about writing you can watch it again.



No, he doesn't, as I've clearly established. And you say the problems with his character are being bland and predictable, yet you liked the 1st movie? A movie about the origins of an existing character who's fate we already know....

Makes sense.



Antagonist. A good writer could do everything you listed with a character's mother you terrible "writer".



Ok so you are trolling. If you can't figure out how having his best friend be an enemy would make him vulnerable, make him screw up, bring the worst/best out of him or make him more interesting, you're literally the worst writer on the planet and retarded.

So I hope you're just trolling.



Jesus fucking Christ I'm dying laughing. It's 'already'. The audience isn't all ready. What a writer you are....

But yes, we know the dilemma he's faced with. We don't know the resolution going in at all. That's how movies are sold and why trailers are a thing.

What about Suicide Squad left you guessing....



Yes, there was.



He got exposed as choosing friends over country. Kind of a big deal for a guy named Captain America when it comes to the guy who iced JFK.



He's a superhero who was breaking the law. How stupid can you possibly be?!



So you didn't even see the movie? You're saying the exact opposite of reality. Just shut the fuck up.





I haven't laughed this hard in awhile. Thank you. A writer. LOL....



Yeah I'm sure everyone knew exactly what would happen. That's why it made so much money right? Or wait, does that point about $ only work for SS? The movie that made less money than CW? So confusing.



Said the self-proclaimed "writer" who doesn't know what an antagonist is. You're opinion on films is less valuable than a dog's.



Looks like I'm not going anywhere.



You say this like you don't plan on completely avoiding everything I've said. Run away now little child with some more nonsense about how you won't read a post that actually addresses what's been said.

I'll be here laughing at the parade of stupid you thought was a good reply.

Lol.

The only reason I read your post was because I knew you would never successfully counter what I said. But great job of evading my main points and just spewing conjecture.

For instance, you focused so much on the Bond films being successful and making money all the while completely evading the fact one of the reasons they're so successful is because they have terrific villains. Which was my exact point which you evaded. Lol. I don't take you seriously because your splice method leaves plenty lost in translation. You basically tried to prove my point wrong by evading it. You're an epic fail. I can tell just by how you argue you lack creativity. I can't have a serious conversation about writing with a logic based moron. You lack the spark. Anything you wrote would be dryer than the Sahara. You're an editor at best. Nothing wrong with editors as long as they edit and leave the writing to creative people.

Both films Winter Soldier and Civil War sucked because they were as predictable as can be. They also both lacked proper villains to test Captain.

They need to learn from Bane and the Joker on how to test a morally strong headed individual. Bane broke Batman and Joker killed the love of his life.

How was Captain tested again? That's right... he chose his friend over Hydra (Winter Soldier) Lol.

Epic fail.

 

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[taurus]

Hold on let me read this next sentence....

☐ Not REKT
☐ REKT
☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT

Credits where credits are due, but that formatting and single sentence replies must've took an hour.

 

[AronaBeatsJones]

I seriously wouldn't mind a very bare bones Batman film series set in the 1930s.

 

[CargoKing]

Lol.

The only reason I read your post was because I knew you would never successfully counter what I said. But great job of evading my main points and just spewing conjecture.

Name one point you made that I didn't address. I'll wait.

For instance, you focused so much on the Bond films begin successful

Not as much as I focused on your stupid ass being unable to spell. A writer! LOL!

and making money all the while completely evading the fact one of the reasons they're so successful is because they have terrific villains.

Is that why everything memorable about the Bond movies that has carried the franchise for 30 years relates to Bond? The look, the drinks, the womanizing, the lines, they're all Bond.

Like I clearly said "all ready", the main draw and constant is 007 himself, not the antagonists.

Are you partly illiterate? You said you read it but clearly missed a lot.

Which was my exact point which you evaded.

Do you need me to quote myself and walk you to the part where I addressed it? Do you need me to hold your hand so you don't walk into anything?

Lol. I don't take you seriously because your splice method leaves plenty lost in translation.

I'm sure it does for someone as stupid as you. For others having everything they say directly addressed is actually helpful. But most people don't avoid everything said like you. Not that many complete pussies around thankfully.

You basically tried to prove my point wrong by evading it. You're an epic fail.

So you really do need someone to walk you through it?! Im not sure I've met anyone this dumb on this forum before. Here....

Yeah they've kept making 007 movies with Bond as the only constant because people don't like the character. Makes total sense.... if you're stupid.

- me in response to your point that the villains made the Bond franchise.

Now tell me what I evaded again.

I can tell just by how you argue you lack creativity.

You can't even figure out how having a friend as an enemy would make a hero vulnerable, and you're criticizing the creativity of someone else?

Learn how to read, learn how to spell, then learn how to write. After that, come back and try again.

I can't have a serious conversation with a logic based moron.

LOL "I can't have a conversation with a person who uses reason!" I wonder why? Maybe it's because you're incredibly unintelligent.

You lack the spark kid.

And you lack the ability to spell words like "begin" and "already". If that's the spark, I'm glad I don't have it.

Anything you wrote would be dryer than the Sahara.

I.... can't....stop....laughing. Oh man it hurts.

Learn to fucking spell before you try to critique someone else's writing you moron. Dryer is a noun, something that makes something dry. DRIER is the adjective you were looking for.

A writer should know that.

Both films Winter Soldier and Civil War sucked because they were as predictable as can be. They also both lacked proper villains to test Captain.

Great idea, just repeat stupid points that I've already tore to shit. I'm sure no one will notice....

The need to learn from Bane and the Joker on how to test a morally strong headed individual. Bane broke Bat man and Joker killed the love of his life.

I'm sorry I thought you were defending Suicide Squad? Where was Bane in that and at what point in the movie did Joker kill the love of Batman's life? It's almost like you can't use the actual movie to defend it because.... it sucked. LOL.

How was Captain tested again? That's right... he chose his friend over Hydra (Winter Soldier) Lol.

I'd say having to choose between one's own moral code and the person they're closest to is a bit of a test.

You probably don't agree though, because you're so stupid it's funny.

Epic fail.

Great summary of your post.

Do yourself a favor; write a manual on how to properly respond to a post. Then read it, misspelled words and all, and do the exact opposite of everything you wrote. Clown.

 

[DataBreach]

☐ Not REKT
☐ REKT
☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT

Credits where credits are due, but that formatting and single sentence replies must've took an hour.

Lol. Your brain isn't firing if you think this tool is doing anything but exposing himself. Lol Cheering for a dude who argues like a teenager.

 

[DataBreach]

Name one point you made that I didn't address. I'll wait.



Not as much as I focused on your stupid ass being unable to spell. A writer! LOL!



Is that why everything memorable about the Bond movies that has carried the franchise for 30 years relates to Bond? The look, the drinks, the womanizing, the lines, they're all Bond.

Like I clearly said "all ready", the main draw and constant is 007 himself, not the antagonists.

Are you partly illiterate? You said you read it but clearly missed a lot.



Do you need me to quote myself and walk you to the part where I addressed it? Do you need me to hold your hand so you don't walk into anything?



I'm sure it does for someone as stupid as you. For others having everything they say directly addressed is actually helpful. But most people don't avoid everything said like you. Not that many complete pussies around thankfully.



So you really do need someone to walk you through it?! Im not sure I've met anyone this dumb on this forum before. Here....

- me in response to your point that the villains made the Bond franchise.

Now tell me what I evaded again.




You can't even figure out how having a friend as an enemy would make a hero vulnerable, and you're criticizing the creativity of someone else?

Learn how to read, learn how to spell, then learn how to write. After that, come back and try again.



LOL "I can't have a conversation with a person who uses reason!" I wonder why? Maybe it's because you're incredibly unintelligent.



And you lack the ability to spell words like "begin" and "already". If that's the spark, I'm glad I don't have it.



I.... can't....stop....laughing. Oh man it hurts.

Learn to fucking spell before you try to critique someone else's writing you moron. Dryer is a noun, something that makes something dry. DRIER is the adjective you were looking for.

A writer should know that.



Great idea, just repeat stupid points that I've already tore to shit. I'm sure no one will notice....



I'm sorry I thought you were defending Suicide Squad? Where was Bane in that and at what point in the movie did Joker kill the love of Batman's life? It's almost like you can't use the actual movie to defend it because.... it sucked. LOL.



I'd say having to choose between one's own moral code and the person they're closest to is a bit of a test.

You probably don't agree though, because you're so stupid it's funny.





Great summary of your post.

Do yourself a favor; write a manual on how to properly respond to a post. Then read it, misspelled words and all, and do the exact opposite of everything you wrote. Clown.

You know the splice method of arguing is only utilized on the internet, right? In a formal debate, or even a conversation, you can't just interrupt someone every sentence.

That's why I'm laughing at you and refuse to self correct (the way you do by going to a word file/editing program and making sure there are no errors in your post while I securely type in my phone) because your need for attention is obvious and acting tough is where you get your fulfillment via the interwebs.

More complete people don't need to utilize passive aggressive methods for fulfillment.

Just saying.

I stopped reading when you said something about holding my hand to show me how you addressed my points because you did nothing of the sort. Your entire method of splicing is dishonest and discourages real conversation. You're a dishonest person because again, you didn't disprove my main points you side stepped them.

Both films had no real villains and therefore lacked suspense.

And nothing you have said has disproved those facts.

Now cut and paste my comment into your editing software and grab some more passive aggressive sense of entitlement/accomplishment. Lol.

Spoiler

 

[taurus]

Lol. Your brain isn't firing if you think this tool is doing anything but exposing himself. Lol Cheering for a dude who argues like a teenager.

I'm sorry, no offense. Guess my brain registered you as a badass when it read about all the book/novels/screenplays/whatnot you wrote so it stopped "firing".

 

[DataBreach]

I'm sorry, no offense. Guess my brain registered you as a badass when it read about all the book/novels/screenplays/whatnot you wrote so it stopped "firing".

The guy spent an entire post insulting me and I throw one insult and I'm a hypocrite. Lol.

This guy fools the simple minded.

It's the same logic at starting a fight and then when the guy hits you back now he's the bully.

Use your brain.